There is a log-jam in the outfield, TRADE.......

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    Fer chrissakes people; thet's get through April with the roster we have before we start shuffling pieces. There's no reason Victorino can't backup Sizemore in center for a few weeks while we see how things shake out.

     

    Remember, it's easy to get rid of unwanted players. It's very hard to fill gaps when injury strikes and there's no depth.

     
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    OK, I did the research and my conclusion remains the same. John went against his year-long strategy of playing Nava in LF vs RHPs and Gomes in LF when facing lefties (when Ellsbury and Victorino were healthy or not resting). I do not count the two games Nava started in RF as evidence that Nava would have started over Gomes in LF had Vic played. John chose Gomes to play over Nava in 7 of the last 9 games vs RH'd starters. That is wildly against what he did all year. Was there an injury to nava we never heard about? Maybe, but Nava did play enough to cast serious doubt on that theory. To me, it was pretty clear. John chose Gomes, because he felt he provided a spark or energy that Nava does not provide. We were facing very tough pitching, and our offense was struggling at times. Again, maybe we are just arguing semantics: "hunch" vs "favorite" vs "winning strategy". Maybe it's a little of all of these or a lot of all of these, but to me, John really likes Gomes and I call that being one of his "favorites".

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    He also benched Salty for Ross the last 3 games of the World Series after Salty being the regular starter all year.

    So Ross must be one of his faves too, right, assuming it's all about playing faves? 

     

     
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    CARP and lets settle in to a rotation ......  It will happen soooooner rather than later as Victorino's return will force it...... BTW, J Bradley should stay ....

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    I agree. I don't think we would get much for Carp, but we need to clear the roster space. I would put Sizemore in left, Bradley in center and Shane in right. Nava would still get plenty of playing time as the fourth outfielder and backup first baseman. Gomes could fill in and pinch hit. Nothing against Carp, who can hit, but I think this gives us our best lineup.

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    I would trade our whole outfield and any players in minors for Stanton. Heck i would trade whole team except Pedy .

     
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    CARP and lets settle in to a rotation ......  It will happen soooooner rather than later as Victorino's return will force it...... BTW, J Bradley should stay ....

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    So the way to clear an outfield logjam, even if one exists, is to trade the backup 1B?

    [/QUOTE]Just saying that as constructed the SOX outfield is "off balance" and that Victorino's situation means that someone has to go......  Carp has value & I like what Johnny Gomes brings to the TEAM !!!


     
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    CARP and lets settle in to a rotation ......  It will happen soooooner rather than later as Victorino's return will force it...... BTW, J Bradley should stay ....

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    So the way to clear an outfield logjam, even if one exists, is to trade the backup 1B?

    [/QUOTE]Just saying that as constructed the SOX outfield is "off balance" and that Victorino's situation means that someone has to go......  Carp has value & I like what Johnny Gomes brings to the TEAM !!!


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    "Just Saying" ????  kimsaysnothing says that a lot.... are you her? Or is she you? 

     
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    CARP and lets settle in to a rotation ......  It will happen soooooner rather than later as Victorino's return will force it...... BTW, J Bradley should stay ....

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    HOnestly you are numb. really u are. More "C-H-A-N-G-E" is it? More of the ol' "TRANSFORMATION" is it now?

     

     
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    CARP and lets settle in to a rotation ......  It will happen soooooner rather than later as Victorino's return will force it...... BTW, J Bradley should stay ....

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    So the way to clear an outfield logjam, even if one exists, is to trade the backup 1B?

    [/QUOTE]Just saying that as constructed the SOX outfield is "off balance" and that Victorino's situation means that someone has to go......  Carp has value & I like what Johnny Gomes brings to the TEAM !!!


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    "Just Saying" ????  kimsaysnothing says that a lot.... are you her? Or is she you? 

    [/QUOTE]After the last 2.5 weeks, I would like to think that all this foolishness about "whos who" would have abated !!


     
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    CARP and lets settle in to a rotation ......  It will happen soooooner rather than later as Victorino's return will force it...... BTW, J Bradley should stay ....

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    So the way to clear an outfield logjam, even if one exists, is to trade the backup 1B?

    [/QUOTE]Just saying that as constructed the SOX outfield is "off balance" and that Victorino's situation means that someone has to go......  Carp has value & I like what Johnny Gomes brings to the TEAM !!!


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    What kind of value does Carp have?  Didn't sox pick him up for some cash?

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from RigatoniT. Show RigatoniT's posts

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    Yes. Please start another Anti_Ortiz thread.... nobody here acts any worse than you... don't act like your above it all, you are an enabler.

     
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    Who in the heck for "2.5 weeks" makes post after post saying "Testing 1. 2. 3" ??? What a joke.

    Test your brain.

     
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    CARP and lets settle in to a rotation ......  It will happen soooooner rather than later as Victorino's return will force it...... BTW, J Bradley should stay ....

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    So the way to clear an outfield logjam, even if one exists, is to trade the backup 1B?

    [/QUOTE]Just saying that as constructed the SOX outfield is "off balance" and that Victorino's situation means that someone has to go......  Carp has value & I like what Johnny Gomes brings to the TEAM !!!


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    What kind of value does Carp have?  Didn't sox pick him up for some cash?

    [/QUOTE]Just as the SOX use him now........... O F, 1st/3rd/ P H .........  Bottom line, someone has to go in that outfield ....


     
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    Yes, I agree that someone has to go.  It will be a shame if the sox send JBJ back down.  He moves around the outfield better than anyone.

    I doubt if Carp has much value but he is the one to go.

     
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    you dont trade anyone this early....isnt shane already missing 15 games? you keep them playing by juggling the lineup and pinch running and fielding .....this is a managers problem, not a GMs...plus who do you think these average players at best are going to bring in a trade by themselves? the only one worth anything is JBJ because of his potential

     



    You are missing the issue. When Vic comes back, JBJ has to go back to AAA or someone else has to go on the DL or be traded. If JBJ goes back, we have no decent back-up in CF for when Sizemore needs his days off, which should be plentiful, at least early this year. 

     

    We can't bring JBJ up for one game a week to rest Grady. The roster doesn't work that way.

     



     

    I think we have a few concerns and deceisions that need to be made but its still very early to make any drastic changes. 

    #1 Leadoff, Gomes and Nava although they are known for hitting one type of pitcher have very little speed.  At the monent neither are hitting which hurts the team even worse.  The natural leadoff guys on this team should be Grady & Shane with Bogy getting consideration but I have a feeling he may become a great middle of the order bat.  JBJ?  Just not ready but could turn into another Ellsbury at some point.

    #2 OF depth, If Gomes, Nava and Carp can come close to last years stats we have a shot but only if Grady and Shane stay in the lineup otherwise we have a major concern.  If Gomes, Carp and Nava dont hit enough JBJ should obviously get the first shot along with someone getting traded.  Another option and one many of us feel has been needed for quite some time is to trade for that big RHH LF.  I'm talking about another guy who can play every day, has a good glove and can maintain a decent OBP long term for us.

    #3 Middy, A guy who could probably hit 30hrs but in my opinion will probably always struggle to maintain a decent OBP so he might be a good supporting player at best or eventually surprise us.  If we trade Middy it leaves another hole at SS if Bogy moves to 3B.  Maybe Herrera or Marrero could fill the SS spot adequately enough for now.  Cecchini needs more time to improve at 3B in my opinion.  Betts is very intriguing prospect who could move up the ladder as quickly as Bogy so I might try converting him into an OF, 3B or SS ASAP, rather than keep him at 2B.  2B is a lot easier position to fill and Pede isn't going anywhere at the moment.

    Farrell and Ben are both bright guys with little patience for underachievers as we all saw by their quick fixes last season when things didn't work out so I'm not too concerned.   

     
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    Shane looked a little shaky coming out of the dugout yesterday.  I think he will be out just a little longer.  There has been talk on moving carp, he seems to be the guy.

     
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    you dont trade anyone this early....isnt shane already missing 15 games? you keep them playing by juggling the lineup and pinch running and fielding .....this is a managers problem, not a GMs...plus who do you think these average players at best are going to bring in a trade by themselves? the only one worth anything is JBJ because of his potential

     



    You are missing the issue. When Vic comes back, JBJ has to go back to AAA or someone else has to go on the DL or be traded. If JBJ goes back, we have no decent back-up in CF for when Sizemore needs his days off, which should be plentiful, at least early this year. 

     

    We can't bring JBJ up for one game a week to rest Grady. The roster doesn't work that way.

     



     

    I think we have a few concerns and deceisions that need to be made but its still very early to make any drastic changes. 

    #1 Leadoff, Gomes and Nava although they are known for hitting one type of pitcher have very little speed.  At the monent neither are hitting which hurts the team even worse.  The natural leadoff guys on this team should be Grady & Shane with Bogy getting consideration but I have a feeling he may become a great middle of the order bat.  JBJ?  Just not ready but could turn into another Ellsbury at some point.

    #2 OF depth, If Gomes, Nava and Carp can come close to last years stats we have a shot if Grady and Shane can stay in the lineup otherwise we have a major concern.  If Gomes, Carp and Nava dont hit enough JBJ should obviously get the first shot along with someone getting traded.  Another option and one many of us feel has been needed for quite some time is to trade for that big RHH LF.  I'm talking about another guy who can play every day, has a good glove and can maintain a decent OBP long term for us.

    #3 Middy, A guy who could probably hit 30hrs but in my opinion will probably always struggle to maintain a decent OBP so he might be a good supporting player at best or eventually surprise us.  If we trade Middy it leaves another hole at SS if Bogy moves to 3B.  Maybe Herrera or Marrero could fill the SS spot adequately enough for now.  Cecchini needs more time to improve at 3B in my opinion.  Betts is very intriguing prospect who could move up the ladder as quickly as Bogy so I would convert into maybe an OF ASAP, rather than keep him at 2B.  2B is a lot easier position to fill and Pede isn't going anywhere at the moment.

    Farrell and Ben are both bright guys with little patience for underachievers as we all saw by their quick fixes last season when things didn't work out so I'm not too concerned.   

    [/QUOTE]Good post, all good points !!


     
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    Yes, I agree that someone has to go.  It will be a shame if the sox send JBJ back down.  He moves around the outfield better than anyone.

    I doubt if Carp has much value but he is the one to go.

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    I doubt it.  I like JBJ, but one good game is meaningless.  And they have no backup 1B.  And JBJ makes for a weak #4 since he is fairly one-dimensional.  With Nava as the #4, he can hit, platoon with Gomes, and play either left or right, to some degree.

    JBJ platooning in LF adds very little since he doesn't hit, and I don't care more for him filling in for Vic either.

    And Nava has only 8 career starts at 1st.

    Not to mention that this setup works perfectly last year.  I see no way they will change that because JBJ had one good game.

     
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    We still have no idea what this OF is going to look like. Victorino is already out, Can Sizemore stay healthy? Can JBJ hit at this level? 

    It's APRIL there is no reason to start reducing the depth we have - Carp may play a big role on this team before it is all said and done .

     
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    Yes, I agree that someone has to go.  It will be a shame if the sox send JBJ back down.  He moves around the outfield better than anyone.

    I doubt if Carp has much value but he is the one to go.

     



    I doubt it.  I like JBJ, but one good game is meaningless.  And they have no backup 1B.  And JBJ makes for a weak #4 since he is fairly one-dimensional.  With Nava as the #4, he can hit, platoon with Gomes, and play either left or right, to some degree.

     

    JBJ platooning in LF adds very little since he doesn't hit, and I don't care more for him filling in for Vic either.

    And Nava has only 8 career starts at 1st.

    Not to mention that this setup works perfectly last year.  I see no way they will change that because JBJ had one good game.



    Lav had a solid ST offensively joe in the 20 games he played, does anyone know how well he handled 1B?

     
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    Fer chrissakes people; thet's get through April with the roster we have before we start shuffling pieces. There's no reason Victorino can't backup Sizemore in center for a few weeks while we see how things shake out.

     

    Remember, it's easy to get rid of unwanted players. It's very hard to fill gaps when injury strikes and there's no depth.

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    I thought that the jury rendered its decision and it was that Vic isn't that good in center?

     
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    Yes, I agree that someone has to go.  It will be a shame if the sox send JBJ back down.  He moves around the outfield better than anyone.

    I doubt if Carp has much value but he is the one to go.

     



    I doubt it.  I like JBJ, but one good game is meaningless.  And they have no backup 1B.  And JBJ makes for a weak #4 since he is fairly one-dimensional.  With Nava as the #4, he can hit, platoon with Gomes, and play either left or right, to some degree.

     

    JBJ platooning in LF adds very little since he doesn't hit, and I don't care more for him filling in for Vic either.

    And Nava has only 8 career starts at 1st.

    Not to mention that this setup works perfectly last year.  I see no way they will change that because JBJ had one good game.

     

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    Lav had a solid ST offensively joe in the 20 games he played, does anyone know how well he handled 1B?

     

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    I thought Middy was going to first?

     
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    Yes, I agree that someone has to go.  It will be a shame if the sox send JBJ back down.  He moves around the outfield better than anyone.

    I doubt if Carp has much value but he is the one to go.

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    I doubt it.  I like JBJ, but one good game is meaningless.  And they have no backup 1B.  And JBJ makes for a weak #4 since he is fairly one-dimensional.  With Nava as the #4, he can hit, platoon with Gomes, and play either left or right, to some degree.

    JBJ platooning in LF adds very little since he doesn't hit, and I don't care more for him filling in for Vic either.

    And Nava has only 8 career starts at 1st.

    Not to mention that this setup works perfectly last year.  I see no way they will change that because JBJ had one good game.

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    Exactly, and althoug Nava, Papi and Middy can play 1B, we don't want them there for any more than a game or two, until we acquire someone else.

    That's why I feel if someone has to go, and the really don't have to in my opinion- despite the issues with back-up CF if JBJ is in AAA, it should be Gomes not Nava or Carp.

    But of course, I'd have to see the best offers for each one, before I gave my opinion on which I prefer. (That ain't happening)

     
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    Log-jam with a couple of injury prone logs.  I think they may unload one but will end up having to bring in  someone of greater ability later in the season

     
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    Yes, I agree that someone has to go.  It will be a shame if the sox send JBJ back down.  He moves around the outfield better than anyone.

    I doubt if Carp has much value but he is the one to go.

     



    I doubt it.  I like JBJ, but one good game is meaningless.  And they have no backup 1B.  And JBJ makes for a weak #4 since he is fairly one-dimensional.  With Nava as the #4, he can hit, platoon with Gomes, and play either left or right, to some degree.

     

    JBJ platooning in LF adds very little since he doesn't hit, and I don't care more for him filling in for Vic either.

    And Nava has only 8 career starts at 1st.

    Not to mention that this setup works perfectly last year.  I see no way they will change that because JBJ had one good game.

     



    Lav had a solid ST offensively joe in the 20 games he played, does anyone know how well he handled 1B?

     

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    I thought Middy was going to first?

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    I think Middy or Cecchini ends up at 1B by 2016 (once Naps is gone). They both have defensive limitations at 3B.

     
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    I think Middy or Cecchini ends up at 1B by 2016 (once Naps is gone). They both have defensive limitations at 3B.



    That sounds about right, it will be interesting to see if Middy improves offensively and if either can play 1B.  Cecchini, Betts, Vasquez and Swihart all look like they could be our next good crop of young positional players to land somewhere in the lineup.  If Swihart and Vasquez both mature to their potential, we could even see one of them land at 1B.  It's a great feeling knowing we have two kids that could potentially become above average starting catchers.

    Nice to have the options!

     
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    Fer chrissakes people; thet's get through April with the roster we have before we start shuffling pieces. There's no reason Victorino can't backup Sizemore in center for a few weeks while we see how things shake out.

     

    Remember, it's easy to get rid of unwanted players. It's very hard to fill gaps when injury strikes and there's no depth.

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    I thought that the jury rendered its decision and it was that Vic isn't that good in center?

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    Not this juror. As I understand it, the theory is that he's too good in RF to waste in CF, or something like that. Pure malarky from my point of view. 

     

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