Re: There is only one Terry Francona
posted at 10/15/2012 7:05 PM EDT
In response to seabeachfred's comment:
In response to Alibiike's comment:
In response to SpacemanEephus's comment:
2 thoughts Alibi.
1. Of course the Sox are going to be in the process of ruing the day they let Francona go for years.
2. Though in theory, there might be a manager in todays game who could 'not be afraid of disciplining players' and still be succesful. But, I actually can't think of one who actually is. Can you name one succesful manager managing today who is an old-school disciplinarian? I can't.
Hard to say what goes on behind the scenes and what gets reported but you are probably right. Even the old guys like Leyland and Baker have had to tone it down some. Different culture.
However, there are ways of chewing guys out and have them walk away thinking you did them a favor. Good leaders can do that. They can feed you crap, and convince you it's ice-cream!
Time for a minority view on this love fest for Francona. The fact is that he was a very distracted manager in 2011. Spring Training was a joke; there was a 12 game "losing streak" and it was pretty much agreed that the team was not ready for the regular season when it opened as we lost ten of the first 12 games. He was going through a divorce and he has a son in the service soon to be transported for Afghanistan. He also completely lost the team in September as they ran all over him, a man who always had the players desires first. They took advantage of him.
Also keep in mind that while he was a "players" manager, good in the clubhouse, and able to keep pressure of the press and media off of the players, he was a very weak field manager routinely costing the team between 8-12 games a year. He was always late in removing a struggling pitcher, his handling of the bullpen was atroticious, he never seemed to learn from his mistakes because he was a very stubborn person, and his game plan never varied with the happenings on the field. He went went his pre-game plan and stuck to it almost all of the time.
I'm convinced that he cost the Red Sox division titles in 2005, 2008 and 2009, and the AL Title in 2009. He failed miserably in Philadelphia his first go-round, failed in Boston his last three or four seasons, and I think he will fail in Cleveland because of his dull and unimaginative philosophy of station-to-station baseball, hardly ever hit and running, almost never using the bunt and very reluctant to move the runners under most conditions. He was easy to defend because o ther teams knew they only had to have their pitchers concentrate on the batter with rare exceptions when a Jacoby was on first. Sorry but no hosannas about Terry from me.
While thinking about 2005,2008 and 2009, I also wonder who he would be if Roberts was thrown out ! I've said it before and I'll continue to repeat it. During the seasons of 2004 thru 2011, the Sox could have and should have been considered a dynasty. Francona inherited a championship waiting to happen in 2004. From 2005 thru 2011, 7 years of talented players, they made it to one WS and failed to win a playoff games since 2008. They underperformed under Francona. All his fans can think about is HE won the WS after the Sox went without a WS championship for 86 years. They gave him a pass for the rest of his career in Boston. I refuse to give him a pass, he was, is now and always will be a horrible field manager. Dr. Phil could have managed the clubhouse and the sad fact is, he would have been a better field manager that Francona.