Re: There was nothing wrong with the 2012 Sox
posted at 10/8/2012 11:45 PM EDT
In response to FenwayJimmy's comment:
In response to seabeachfred's comment:
In response to parhunter55's comment:
Good point on Kuroda. If Ben had signed Kuroda and NYY had not, how different would things have looked on August 27th?
Problem is, Ben looks ready to do more of the same...sign cheap recovery project (a la Cook, Prior, Padilla, almost Oswalt) instead of possibly over pay for an established guy. Didn't work this year, didn't work with Smoltz and Penny. What's the definition of insanity?
The Sox need to (over)pay Sanchez and Peavy, the two best youngish pitchers available, and maybe work a trade for Masterson, and go into the season with at least 6, maybe 7 bonafide starters. Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, Peavy, Sanchez, Doubront, Masterson and Morales might just be enough. Tazawa, Bailey, Miller, Hill, Atchison, Melancon, Breslow, Bard, Padilla and Mortenson provide enough bullpen and trade bait to add some needed pieces in other areas. But the Sox are not going to get a good enough starting rotation to compete without either overpaying in salary or overpaying in prospects.
The Sox, for once, have a much better financial position--meaning they are in a much better position to overpay in salary than they are in prospects. This is especially the case for a team that is rebuilding. But they seem itent on learning the lesson of not paying for high priced free agents. What they seem to have missed is that the right free agents ARE worth the money. Sabbathia and Teixeira WERE worth it to the Yankees, as was Kuroda.
Hunterman, the key is whether Prune Face Henry is going to open up his purse strings this winter and whether if he does Cherington will have the smarts and cajones to make the right moves. Frankly, I'm not sure of the first and certainly have doubts about the second. Insanity as defined by you and o thers is trying to get a different result by doing the same thing over and over again. It didn't work in 2009 and didn't work in 2012. Good money spent wisely on solid pitching could turn things around. You can't accomplish this by going dumpster dumping ( Crawford, Gonzalez, Beckett) as we have two of the past four seasons.
What is the most that you would want Henry to spend on a FA? Be specific in dollars and years. Yankees got some real bargains out of the dumpster in recent years with JC Martin, Swisher, Ichiro, Andruw Jones, Granderson, Ibanez,and Garcia. You win some, you lose some. Yo seem to only be able to see the worst of everything.
Look Jimmy, you want to feel good about things that went down this year, but you are only kidding yourself. Read my words....WE STUNK THIS YEAR. And for you to say it was only about the pitching that caused our problems is a total canard. Our hitting went down, our defense was only mediocre, our bullpen was inconsistent, the manager was total loon, the GM failed to get the help we needed, Lucchino still insisted on meddling on baseball field operations when he didn't know what he was talking about and an owner who was AWOL almost all of the season.
Thank goodness the season is over so all of us can put this in our rear view mirror, but you have to g et a real dose of reality. This year, combined with our September folderoo in September of last year, has turned out to be a total clusterf@@k for the organization and it cannot be rectified by trying to get a different result by doing the same tbings all over again. Once you accept the fact that we were a laughing stock this season will you be able to turn the page and start making suggestions of how to improve the team instead of trying to defend the indefensible.