This is Why Iggy Was Traded

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    Cherington is a smart GM. He knew this would happen.

    NEW YORK (AP) — Detroit Tigers shortstop Jose Iglesias is out of the lineup because of a sore left elbow.
    Ramon Santiago is set to start at shortstop Saturday against New York Mets ace Matt Harvey. Iglesias was hurt when he was hit by a pitch from David Aardsma in the ninth inning of the series opener Friday night.
    Iglesias remained in the game but his elbow swelled up. X-rays were negative, but manager Jim Leyland says Iglesias can’t bend his arm and won’t be available off the bench Saturday. Leyland says hopefully Iglesias can play Sunday.
    The slick-fielding Iglesias was acquired by the AL Central leaders from Boston late last month in advance of the 50-game suspension given to All-Star shortstop Jhonny Peralta in the Biogenesis drug investigation.
    The rookie is hitting .319 with two home runs and 23 RBIs, including .286 with one homer and four RBIs in 21 games for Detroit.

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    he was traded because it was known that he would get hit with a pitch on his elbow?....youre kidding I hope

     
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    Cherington is a smart GM. He knew this would happen.

    NEW YORK (AP) — Detroit Tigers shortstop Jose Iglesias is out of the lineup because of a sore left elbow.
    Ramon Santiago is set to start at shortstop Saturday against New York Mets ace Matt Harvey. Iglesias was hurt when he was hit by a pitch from David Aardsma in the ninth inning of the series opener Friday night.
    Iglesias remained in the game but his elbow swelled up. X-rays were negative, but manager Jim Leyland says Iglesias can’t bend his arm and won’t be available off the bench Saturday. Leyland says hopefully Iglesias can play Sunday.
    The slick-fielding Iglesias was acquired by the AL Central leaders from Boston late last month in advance of the 50-game suspension given to All-Star shortstop Jhonny Peralta in the Biogenesis drug investigation.
    The rookie is hitting .319 with two home runs and 23 RBIs, including .286 with one homer and four RBIs in 21 games for Detroit.

    Cool




    Does Ben have any word on what will happen at Saratoga tomorrow ? 

     
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    Cherington is a smart GM. He knew this would happen.

    NEW YORK (AP) — Detroit Tigers shortstop Jose Iglesias is out of the lineup because of a sore left elbow.
    Ramon Santiago is set to start at shortstop Saturday against New York Mets ace Matt Harvey. Iglesias was hurt when he was hit by a pitch from David Aardsma in the ninth inning of the series opener Friday night.
    Iglesias remained in the game but his elbow swelled up. X-rays were negative, but manager Jim Leyland says Iglesias can’t bend his arm and won’t be available off the bench Saturday. Leyland says hopefully Iglesias can play Sunday.
    The slick-fielding Iglesias was acquired by the AL Central leaders from Boston late last month in advance of the 50-game suspension given to All-Star shortstop Jhonny Peralta in the Biogenesis drug investigation.
    The rookie is hitting .319 with two home runs and 23 RBIs, including .286 with one homer and four RBIs in 21 games for Detroit.

    Cool

     




    Does Ben have any word on what will happen at Saratoga tomorrow ? 

     




    Well ... as a matter of fact ...Money Mouth

     
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    We all know why Iggy was traded....  his name is Xander Bogaerts.  And the bonus of getting a top of the rotation pitcher like Jake Peavy for this year and next.  I'm cool with the trade.  You will be too.  Be patient.  It will payoff... I promise.

     
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    Out of 37 SSs with 350+ innings in the field, here are some UZR/150 numbers:

    1) Simmons  28.8

    2) Pennington 22.6

    3) Barnes  17.9

    4) Y Escobar 16.3

    5) Tulo 13.3

    6) Iggy  13.2

    ...

    18) Drew 3.0

    31) Lowrie -9.8

    Sox4ever

     
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    he was traded because it was known that he would get hit with a pitch on his elbow?....youre kidding I hope



    No, Ben is THAT good!

     
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    he was traded because it was known that he would get hit with a pitch on his elbow?....youre kidding I hope

     



    No, Ben is THAT good!

     



    Exactly. It's all about being prepared and doing your homework. Good GMs can predict these things.

     
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    I never would have traded this kid.  It was a bridge year and despite the sox unexpected success, they still need more than a pitcher to win it all. 

    No one would have had a problem if no move was made.  Iggy is an exciting player and fans loved him and all thru New England.

     



    I've read dozens of your comments, and finally decided to respond.

    Your trolling, is, quite frankly, lousy. Perhaps you're Babe. If not, you aspire to be.

     

     
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    I never would have traded this kid.  It was a bridge year and despite the sox unexpected success, they still need more than a pitcher to win it all. 

    No one would have had a problem if no move was made.  Iggy is an exciting player and fans loved him and all thru New England.

     



    I've read dozens of your comments, and finally decided to respond.

    Your trolling, is, quite frankly, lousy. Perhaps you're Babe. If not, you aspire to be.

     

     



    How am I trolling?  I did not even start this thread and I am not alone in my opinion.  Perhaps you have deeper issues?

     



    Maybe. But you don't have start a thread to troll. I'll just take it you're a NYY fan who never has an encouraging word for the RS, at least not that I've seen.

     
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    I never would have traded this kid.  It was a bridge year and despite the sox unexpected success, they still need more than a pitcher to win it all. 

    No one would have had a problem if no move was made.  Iggy is an exciting player and fans loved him and all thru New England.

     



    I've read dozens of your comments, and finally decided to respond.

    Your trolling, is, quite frankly, lousy. Perhaps you're Babe. If not, you aspire to be.

     

     

     



    How am I trolling?  I did not even start this thread and I am not alone in my opinion.  Perhaps you have deeper issues?

     

     

     



    Maybe. But you don't have start a thread to troll. I'll just take it you're a NYY fan who never has an encouraging word for the RS, at least not that I've seen.

     



    I hope he is trolling. The alternative would be that he really is that stupid.

     
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    I never would have traded this kid.  It was a bridge year and despite the sox unexpected success, they still need more than a pitcher to win it all. 

    No one would have had a problem if no move was made.  Iggy is an exciting player and fans loved him and all thru New England.

     



    I've read dozens of your comments, and finally decided to respond.

    Your trolling, is, quite frankly, lousy. Perhaps you're Babe. If not, you aspire to be.

     

     

     

     



    How am I trolling?  I did not even start this thread and I am not alone in my opinion.  Perhaps you have deeper issues?

     

     

     

     

     



    Maybe. But you don't have start a thread to troll. I'll just take it you're a NYY fan who never has an encouraging word for the RS, at least not that I've seen.

     

     

     



    I hope he is trolling. The alternative would be that he really is that stupid.

     



    unfortunately i think he is...

     
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    At this point ........ "What difference does it make"  !!!

     
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    Lol, not sure if serious or not.

     

    Nope, I'd say he was traded for what most of us are watching right now. Another good start from Peavy.

     
     
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        this is why we traded him......

     
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    We all know why Iggy was traded....  his name is Xander Bogaerts.  And the bonus of getting a top of the rotation pitcher like Jake Peavy for this year and next.  I'm cool with the trade.  You will be too.  Be patient.  It will payoff... I promise.




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    I think it's simplest to say that the Sox got a good pitcher for Iglesias, and not as a rental since Peavy will be here beyond this year.  Despite his slick fielding, Iglesias is no sure bet at the plate long-term.  His (and Drew's) replacement has already arrived in Boston since Bogaerts was called up.  Bogaerts can slide to 3rd if necessary (if Middelbrooks isn't the long term answer) and the Sox have either prospects in the minors or Drew's salary slot to plug a hole at SS or 3rd if need be.

         



     
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    Cherington is a smart GM. He knew this would happen.

    NEW YORK (AP) — Detroit Tigers shortstop Jose Iglesias is out of the lineup because of a sore left elbow.
    Ramon Santiago is set to start at shortstop Saturday against New York Mets ace Matt Harvey. Iglesias was hurt when he was hit by a pitch from David Aardsma in the ninth inning of the series opener Friday night.
    Iglesias remained in the game but his elbow swelled up. X-rays were negative, but manager Jim Leyland says Iglesias can’t bend his arm and won’t be available off the bench Saturday. Leyland says hopefully Iglesias can play Sunday.
    The slick-fielding Iglesias was acquired by the AL Central leaders from Boston late last month in advance of the 50-game suspension given to All-Star shortstop Jhonny Peralta in the Biogenesis drug investigation.
    The rookie is hitting .319 with two home runs and 23 RBIs, including .286 with one homer and four RBIs in 21 games for Detroit.

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    If Iggy continues to hit the way he has this year, Ben will rue the day he made this trade unless RS and Peavey win a WS title this year. I still have my doubts that Iggy will be anything more than a 220-240 hitter w/ very little power. If RS are right and Iggy is the next coming of Rey Ordonez this was a smart trade, but if Iggy becomes a good hitter al la Ozzie Smith, RS fans will be kicking themselves in the butt for years.

     
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    I truly hope you're right and that it does pay off.  If it doesn't pay off we're going to have to pay for a SS for next season along with a 1B and a Catcher in addition to a CF.  I've been thinking all along that if we can have a cost-controlled IF there'll be money enough to sign Ellsbury but if we have to land a FA SS ... maybe not. 

    Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

     
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    Cherington is a smart GM. He knew this would happen.

    NEW YORK (AP) — Detroit Tigers shortstop Jose Iglesias is out of the lineup because of a sore left elbow.
    Ramon Santiago is set to start at shortstop Saturday against New York Mets ace Matt Harvey. Iglesias was hurt when he was hit by a pitch from David Aardsma in the ninth inning of the series opener Friday night.
    Iglesias remained in the game but his elbow swelled up. X-rays were negative, but manager Jim Leyland says Iglesias can’t bend his arm and won’t be available off the bench Saturday. Leyland says hopefully Iglesias can play Sunday.
    The slick-fielding Iglesias was acquired by the AL Central leaders from Boston late last month in advance of the 50-game suspension given to All-Star shortstop Jhonny Peralta in the Biogenesis drug investigation.
    The rookie is hitting .319 with two home runs and 23 RBIs, including .286 with one homer and four RBIs in 21 games for Detroit.

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    If Iggy continues to hit the way he has this year, Ben will rue the day he made this trade unless RS and Peavey win a WS title this year. I still have my doubts that Iggy will be anything more than a 220-240 hitter w/ very little power. If RS are right and Iggy is the next coming of Rey Ordonez this was a smart trade, but if Iggy becomes a good hitter al la Ozzie Smith, RS fans will be kicking themselves in the butt for years.

     



    As much as I'm going to miss watching Iggy play, I'm pretty happy with Peavy's performances to date.

     


    So, I'm curious.

    How long does Peavy have to sustain his current level of performance (2-1/ 3.31 ERA/ .098 WHIP), or how much better does he have to get, before the rabid Iggy fans think it was a good deal for the Sox?

    And skip the "If they don't win a ring..." BS.

    There's so many things that have to go right, for a team to win it all.

    It's unrealistic to lay it at the feet of one player.

     

     
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    The trade is looking pretty good today w/ Peavy spinning CG 3-hitters and Xander hitting the ball w/ authority.

     
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    So, I'm curious.

    How long does Peavy have to sustain his current lever of performance (2-1/ 3.31 ERA/ .098 WHIP), or how much better does he have to get, before the rabid Iggy fans think it was a good deal for the Sox?

    And skip the "If they don't win a ring..." BS.

    There so many things that have to go right, for a team to win it all.

    It's unrealistic to lay it at the feet of one player.



    I wish I could stay away from this topic, but I can't.  :-(  Since I'm allegedly one of the "rabid Iggy fans" I'm going to take it upon myself to respond - from my POV. 

    This isn't completely about Iggy.  It's about the future.  It's about having money to spend on FA's and where it'd going to come from. It's also about putting a good team on the field in 2014 and beyond. 

    I've been a proponent all along of an IF of XBo, Iggy, Pedey and Middy.  The only question marks I see in that are XBo's defense and Iggy's offense.  Pedey is what he is, and I've always believed that if a person can play 3B he can play 1B even better.  And Middy is a decent 3B who is now showing good hitting ability. 

    XBo's ML skills have yet to be determined (although I have to admit that the past couple of days have begun to put to rest my concerns about his offensive skills).  Iggy's offense is what it is today and I think it'll get better with experience, and even if it doesn't I'm willing to live with ~.230 and Iggy's defense at SS.  Especialy with the offense of XBo, Pedey & MIddy in the IF and Ells in the OF. 

    That's a pretty cheap IF which leaves money for other positions. Like.... CF.  NOBODY is saying that JBJ is going to be replacing Ellsbury on both sides of the ball.  That's why I want to sign Ells.  Ells very simply is a better all-around player than JBJ.  I see JBJ as either the heir-apparent to RF or as trade bait for a GOOD position player or a pitcher. 

    This trade has completely s-d the pooch on that.  We now have to either sign a  FA SS  (think $$) or give the position to someone untried and hope it works out.  Middy can remain at 3B, but what do we do about 1B?  Another FA?  Maybe Carp.  Will Carp be > Middy @ 1B?  I personally doubt that. But whatever happens at 1B it'll be more expensive than Middy, leaving less money to sign Ells.

    I was looking at a young, talented, cost controlled team in 2014 & beyond.  The kind of team the Yankees built back when Jeter, Bernie Williams and Posada were young.  One that would carry the franchise into the future,  but now I don't see that. I see the Iggy trade as costing the Sox both Iggy and Ellsbury and allowing them MUCH less payroll flexibility than they would have otherwise had. 

    It's not entirely about getting to watch Iggy play - although that's a part of it.  It's also not about Peavy and how good he has to get.  It's about the future.  Which is why I was - and am - opposed to that trade.

     

     
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    I never would have traded this kid.  It was a bridge year and despite the sox unexpected success, they still need more than a pitcher to win it all. 

    No one would have had a problem if no move was made.  Iggy is an exciting player and fans loved him and all thru New England.



    So what would you have done to shore up the pitching?? Just wondering because everyone that says they shouldnt have traded Iggy never seems to know...

     
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