Re: Tim Wakefield is now 9 wins away.
posted at 6/24/2011 11:29 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Tim Wakefield is now 9 wins away.
[QUOTE]Actually, I think fans who talk about retiring Wakefield's number
are losing it.
Posted by betterredthandead[/QUOTE]
Don't underestimate longevity.
The analogy to Ted Williams was one of class
And in that context, Wake has been even classier. He never flipped off the fans or acted like a mad-man to the press, as Williams frequently did.
You are the one who's losing it - or losing.
Parading Wake hate reflects you as a bigoted poster - making slurs against his age and physique.
It's an obsession similar to Law's. He was actually more creative.
I can see it if you were trying to get a complex point across that wasn't being understood. But believe it or not, posters do know how you feel about it.
So why continue this?
If your argument is one of merit, try making a more profound case for yourself.
You basically use Wake's ERA since his back operation as your criteria. That would suffice if you are claiming he's in regression. But this year shows that's not true.
Can you name any pitcher who has been effective
after back surgery, being bounced around from starting to the pen - mis-used with elongated periods of inactivity?
Now that he's being deployed on a regular basis, it's showing in his performance.Beckett
coming into this season had an ERA
of 5.34 since Aug. of 2009.
121 ER over 204 IP. You bashed him as well. How's that working out for you this year? You seem to have a real problem using injury against players who are side-lined or try to play thru it...at least against players not named Cam or Dice.
point fingers of bigotry while hiding behind players of different color; players you could easily bash for the same reasons. Ever hear of reverse discrimination?
If your argument is based on Wake's career numbers, it too is thin because you don't draw valid comparisons. Wake has pitched in the steroid/post-steroid era.
He pitches in a notorious hitter's venue.
He pitches in the tough A. L. East.
Thus, comparisons must be made along these same lines
Have you ever looked into them?
The only two right-handed pitchers who come to mind and fit similar criteria are Dice and Beckett, simply because there's a more credible frame of reference with them. They've logged enough IP, playing under the same conditions.
The most valid area of IP is against A. L. East opponents due to the unbalanced schedule. Here's an analogy:Beckett vs. O's: 3.68 ERA 41 ER 100 IP
Dice vs. O's: 6.11 ERA 36 ER 53 IP
Wake vs. O's: 4.13 ERA 117 ER 255 IP
Beckett vs. Toronto: 6.57 ERA 63 ER 86 IP
Dice vs. Toronto: 3.46 ERA 30 ER 78 IP
Wake vs. Toronto: 3.87 ERA 129 ER 300 IP
Beckett vs. Rays: 3.13 ERA 39 ER 111 IP
Dice vs. Rays: 5.83 ERA 46 ER 71 IP
Wake vs. Rays: 3.71 ERA 98 ER 237 IP
Beckett vs. NY: 5.52 ERA 94 ER 153 IP
Dice: vs. NY: 5.59 ERA 36 ER 58 IP
WAKE vs. NY: 4.98 ERA 139 ER 251 IP
Beckett: 4.74 ERA 237 ER 450 IP
DICE: 5.13 ERA 148 ER 260 IP
WAKE: 4.17 ERA 483 ER 1043 IP
So, You really don't have much of a case, do you?
All three of these pitchers would have vastly different numbers facing lesser competition - in a lesser division/league - pitching in a pitcher's venue.
Thus, instead of making a credible case for yourself, you prance around using his age against him. Or the perceived erratic nature of the pitch. As you have often said: Perception isn't reality.
Pitchers of his type can pitch into their late 40's.
Wake has decent SO/BB ratios in comparison to his piers, especially over the last couple of years.
Wake throws a pitch you call a "blooper". That's hardly accurate and greatly over-simplified. When one pitch can continue to get the world's greatest hitters out, it's dimension is mind-boggling. Instead of trying to understand it, you label it - and it's author - because you don't care for either.
This is the truth, and it's unpopular with you because you aren't willing to accept
it. You are unpopular because you are abusive. Getting the same reaction in return hardly allows you any element of truth. If you state your disdain with Wake in credible terms, you'll get a credible response. But you choose otherwise, and are treated in the same manner. THAT'S THE TRUTH.