Tim Wakefield is now 9 wins away.

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    I never said anything of the kind.
     
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    It must be convenient getting banned and your posts deleted so often that you can change your opinion on a whim?
     
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    It must be convenient getting banned and your posts deleted so often that you can change your opinion on a whim?
    Posted by NUSoxFan


    You just gave me an idea...
     
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    Me too; except some think I already do this. It's sort of like free extra credit from a trolling POV; paranoia runs deep.

     
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    I got a different kinda idea...
     
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    I still think if Wake has a bad start his next start, Tito will boot him to the pen when Buch comes back.

    Sad, but true.
     
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    Nothing sad about booting Wakefield.

     
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    At this point, with all the injury issues/missed time to the SR, nothing would a surprise me.
     
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    moonslav59, What are you going to do? Leave wakefield in the rotation.. and make Bucholtz long relief out of the pen? Your living in the same world as tim ( the land of disney.. where frogs become princes, cinderella, tinker bell, & the 7 dwarfs ) wakefield..  16 wins... 40 losses.. last 56 games.. ( including 35 starts ) thats the reality of this situation!

    Why is it that the Boston Red Sox continue to play " sloppy " on the days when wakefield is pitching? Has it been just a coincidence? Or, is it that they just lose interest & lose focus? In wakefield's last 35 starts.. The Boston Red Sox have committed 28 errors! That ratio over a 162 game schedule comes close to 130 errors! The 2011 Boston Red Sox are currently tied for 2nd in MLB in best defense!

    To put that into further perspective.. Since 2000 through 2010.. 28 teams out of 300 have committed 130 or more errors! In 2011 only the Chicago Cubs are on pace to commit 130 or more errors!

     
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    Nothing sad about booting the old man.
    Posted by billbyboy


    If hes pitching better than Lackey as he has all year, then yes, it would be sad that they wouldnt field the best team and play Lackey due to price of contract. Wake is NOT the problem, its Lackey..I hope he gets to break the record this year so he can retire with the lead..
     
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    Two problems do not make a solution. If Lackey needs joint surgery, he needs to be DL'd and get the surgery. If Lackey needs brain surgery, he needs to see a member of the APA. Lackey should be replaced by Doubrant or Aceves, if needed. Miller should be the final solution to the Wakefield problem.

    Very important that the best team be on the active roster. It's very sad that team needs have to take a back seat to Wakefield trying to play into his 50's to break some meaningless aggregate numbers ranking. Red Sox fans would rather see Wakefield break a longevity record than win a championship. Very sad.
     
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    Two problems do not make a solution. If Lackey needs joint surgery, he needs to be DL'd and get the surgery. If Lackey needs brain surgery, he needs to see a member of the APA. Lackey should be replaced by Doubrant or Aceves, if needed. Miller should be the final solution to the Wakefield problem. Very important that the best team be on the active roster. It's very sad that team needs have to take a back seat to Wakefield trying to play into his 50's to break some meaningless aggregate numbers ranking. Red Sox fans would rather see Wakefield break a longevity record than win a championship. Very sad.
    Posted by redsoxcorpseman



    That sounds scary.
     
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    southpaw777... wakefield has 8 winning decisions in his last 35 starts.. 2 of his wins have come from out of the bullpen. At that rate.. wakefield would have to start 30 or more games. The Boston Red Sox team record in those 35 wakefield starts is 12 wins.. 23 losses! your trippin' !
     
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    Two problems do not make a solution. If Lackey needs joint surgery, he needs to be DL'd and get the surgery. If Lackey needs brain surgery, he needs to see a member of the APA. Lackey should be replaced by Doubrant or Aceves, if needed. Miller should be the final solution to the Wakefield problem. Very important that the best team be on the active roster. It's very sad that team needs have to take a back seat to Wakefield trying to play into his 50's to break some meaningless aggregate numbers ranking. Red Sox fans would rather see Wakefield break a longevity record than win a championship. Very sad.
    Posted by redsoxcorpseman


    Doubront has not been pitching well since coming off the DL..14 runs in 4 games..Hes NOT the answer right now. Aceves is too valueable out of the pen..Wake and Miller are ahead of Lackey Because they are both pitching much better than him right now..Your hate for Wake is obviously (to the rest of us anyway) blinding your judgement..If Wake wasnt pitching good, nobody here would care about the record..But he is and we do...Its sad you cant/wont enjoy his success so far this year..If you were a true fan, then maybe u would I guess..
     
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    In Response to Re: Tim Wakefield is now 9 wins away. : Doubront has not been pitching well since coming off the DL..14 runs in 4 games..Hes NOT the answer right now. Aceves is too valueable out of the pen..Wake and Miller are ahead of Lackey Because they are both pitching much better than him right now..Your hate for Wake is obviously (to the rest of us anyway) blinding your judgement..If Wake wasnt pitching good, nobody here would care about the record..But he is and we do...Its sad you cant/wont enjoy his success so far this year..If you were a true fan, then maybe u would I guess..
    Posted by southpaw777


    dude, you are trippin'!  The Boston Red Sox team record in wakefield's last 56 games is 16 wins & 40 losses! ( including 35 starts ) 16 wins & 40 losses... What part of 16 wins & 40 losses is not sinking into your brain? your dillusional! The Boston Red Sox have committed 28 errors in wakefield's last 35 starts.. The Red Sox are a solid defensive team.. currently ranked 2nd in MLB in errors allowed. What is your dillusional comment about.. Why the Red Sox commit so many errors when wakefield is pitching?
     
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    Hey softy: look atMiller's numbers "since mid 2009".

    Hey softy: look at starter ERA this year.

    Hey softy: look at starter WHIP this year.

    Hey softy: look who has the most starts and IP since Wake joined the rotation on May 22nd.

    Hey softy: stop looking at the waistline and look at the bottom line. Wake has been one of our best 5 starters this year by any number except HR/9. He has faced better than average offenses, had poor fielding behind him, and too many inherited runners allowed to score. Even with all those factors, he still has better numbers as a starter than all but the top 3 guys.

    Keep cherry-picking new stats and tired old timeframes of reference; Wake is clearly more healthy and nimble on the mound now than during his back issues and recovery. His knuckleball is dancing and fooling batters. He's walked a few more than normal, but his WHIP is still 2nd best among starters.

    If you really think this is all about the silly longevity record (team wins), ask yourself this question: would Theo really keep putting Wake out there to break the win record, if he didn't think he was pitching well enough to win? You really think the record means more than the Pennant? Wake is starting because he showed he was doing better than 2010 and some of our starters went on the DL. That's how 6th starters become 5th starters. Your clown rants about Miller being ready 6-8 weeks ago are complete nonsense. Doubront has been hurt and struggling to show effectiveness. Aceves has done very well out of the pen as the long guy, and in limited starting duty has not done as well as Wake has.

    Wake is getting the job done. If you really don't watch the games as you claim you don't (and claim you don't even have to), then you'd have seen that he has had countless cheap hits, several bobbled and dropped balls for "hits", several "earned" runs allowed by these plays and the "double" your buddy Jake allowed by taking the wrong angle on a fly ball. You'd see this has happened more than normal, more than any other starter on the team, and would clearly have made his ERA and WHIP numbers even better than they already are.  Then, look at all his "inherited runners" that others have allowed to score. It is way more than other starters on our team have had score after they left the game.  None of this matters to you as much as what Wake did immediately after his back surgery in 2010 and while pitching hurt in late 2009. You fixation has become obsession. You hope and pray he fails, and when he doesn't, you search out one bad pitch, one bad play, one bad stat to bash him with. You have changed the criteria over and over as we have exposed your lies and misinformation. You bashed him for BB/9, then when we showed you he had one of the best BB/9 rates on the team (even after his injury), you found a new stat: WHIP. You were quickly shown how absurd that stat was, since Wake has been one of our best WHIP guys in any timeframe you choose since 2007. You cling to ERA, but even that stat shows Wake is a top 5 starter on this team. Now you cling to HR/9 like it is the most important stat to judge a starter by. You are a hopeless hater. Keep it up, because the more you hate and bash, the better they all seem to do.

    I just ask one thing: stop loving some of our players too much, because the select few you love are all getting hurt or stinking up the place: Dice, Oki, Cam, DMac, Wheeler...
     
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    Hey softy: look atMiller's numbers "since mid 2009". Hey softy: look at starter ERA this year. Hey softy: look at starter WHIP this year. Hey softy: look who has the most starts and IP since Wake joined the rotation on May 22nd. Hey softy: stop looking at the waistline and look at the bottom line. Wake has been one of our best 5 starters this year by any number except HR/9. He has faced better than average offenses, had poor fielding behind him, and too many inherited runners allowed to score. Even with all those factors, he still has better numbers as a starter than all but the top 3 guys. Keep cherry-picking new stats and tired old timeframes of reference; Wake is clearly more healthy and nimble on the mound now than during his back issues and recovery. His knuckleball is dancing and fooling batters. He's walked a few more than normal, but his WHIP is still 2nd best among starters. If you really think this is all about the silly longevity record (team wins), ask yourself this question: would Theo really keep putting Wake out there to break the win record, if he didn't think he was pitching well enough to win? You really think the record means more than the Pennant? Wake is starting because he showed he was doing better than 2010 and some of our starters went on the DL. That's how 6th starters become 5th starters. Your clown rants about Miller being ready 6-8 weeks ago are complete nonsense. Doubront has been hurt and struggling to show effectiveness. Aceves has done very well out of the pen as the long guy, and in limited starting duty has not done as well as Wake has. Wake is getting the job done. If you really don't watch the games as you claim you don't (and claim you don't even have to), then you'd have seen that he has had countless cheap hits, several bobbled and dropped balls for "hits", several "earned" runs allowed by these plays and the "double" your buddy Jake allowed by taking the wrong angle on a fly ball. You'd see this has happened more than normal, more than any other starter on the team, and would clearly have made his ERA and WHIP numbers even better than they already are.  Then, look at all his "inherited runners" that others have allowed to score. It is way more than other starters on our team have had score after they left the game.  None of this matters to you as much as what Wake did immediately after his back surgery in 2010 and while pitching hurt in late 2009. You fixation has become obsession. You hope and pray he fails, and when he doesn't, you search out one bad pitch, one bad play, one bad stat to bash him with. You have changed the criteria over and over as we have exposed your lies and misinformation. You bashed him for BB/9, then when we showed you he had one of the best BB/9 rates on the team (even after his injury), you found a new stat: WHIP. You were quickly shown how absurd that stat was, since Wake has been one of our best WHIP guys in any timeframe you choose since 2007. You cling to ERA, but even that stat shows Wake is a top 5 starter on this team. Now you cling to HR/9 like it is the most important stat to judge a starter by. You are a hopeless hater. Keep it up, because the more you hate and bash, the better they all seem to do. I just ask one thing: stop loving some of our players too much, because the select few you love are all getting hurt or stinking up the place: Dice, Oki, Cam, DMac, Wheeler...
    Posted by moonslav59

    Jake is part of his crowded doghouse.
     
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    It's a 4 story doghouse with permits pending for expansions.
     
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    If Wake wasnt pitching good, nobody here would care about the record

    Wakefield's ERA shows he's not "pitching good", and nobody, here, cares. As long as they keep Wakefield on an average of about a week of squat time, he won't break down. I hope that give him the ball every 5 days about 3 or 4 times so he will end up like he always does. 
     
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    Last 4 starts, June 8, 14, 19, 25
    26.1 IP, 19 H, 13 BB, 13 K, 14 ER, 2 wins, 2 losses, 4.78 ERA...

    Gee, 32 baserunners in 26.1 innings...I'll take that from any pitcher on the Sox especially when their offense is on all cylinders with a DH and Crawford.
     
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    As long as they keep Wakefield on an average of about a week of squat time, he won't break down. I hope that give him the ball every 5 days about 3 or 4 times so he will end up like he always does. 


    You keep saying this, but the fact is, other than team days off, he has been taking the ball every 5 days since May 22nd.

    Wake still has more starts and more IP than any other pitcher on this team since May 22nd.

    For the record:
    Sox starts since May 22nd (37 days):

    Dice-K:  0
    Miller:    2 - 3.09  (11.2 ER/ 4 ER)
    Aceves: 3 - 6.19 ERA  (16IP/11 ER)
    Lackey:  4 - 6.26 ERA  (23IP/16ER)
    Buch:      5 - 3.60 ERA  (30 IP/12 ER)
    Beck:      6 - 2.88 ERA (40.2/13 ER)
    Lester:   6  - 3.63 ERA (39.2/16 ER)
    Wake:     7  - 4.17 ERA (45.1/21 ER)

     
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    You make a good point, since May 22. I forgot the team days off. Wakefield's ERA is rock solid and he's a workhorse that will be high demand when he becomes a FA.
     
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    danny, go back to day one this year...

    Again, the Sox 2011 starter numbers:

    1) Beckett    0.929 WHIP/2.20 ERA (6.5 IP/GS: 98 IP/15 starts)
    2) Wakefield  1.214 WHIP/ 4.50 ERA (6.2: 56 IP/9 starts)
    3) Lester       1.287 WHIP/3.66 ERA (6.5: 103.1 IP/16 starts)
    4) Buchholtz  1.294 WHIP/ 3.48 ERA (5.8: 82.2 IP/14 starts)
    5) Dice-K      1.404 WHIP/ 4.95 ERA (5.2: 36.1 IP/7 starts)
    6) Miller        1.457 WHIP/ 3.09 ERA (5.9: 11.2 IP/2 starts)
    7) Aceves     1.571 WHIP/5.14 ERA  (5.3: 21 IP/4 starts)
    8) Lackey     1.604 WHIP/ 7.36 ERA (5.7:62.1 IP/11 starts)  
     
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    To Quote Gregg Allman, there's Wasted Words here.
     
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