Time for some small ball.........

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    ........because the long balls are getter fewer between. Way too many GIDPs and virtually no sacrifices. Hitters trying to pull everything instead of hitting the ball where it's pitched, and all this flailing at bad pitches. It's clear there is a sense of desperation indicated by the impatience at the plate. The frustration is showing on the faces of the Sox players, which can be a positive. They just need to play within their ability and try not to do too much. Just putting the ball in play instead of trying to hit a 3 run HR with the bases empty will pay dividends. Perfect opportunity to squeeze last night with CC at 3rd and Ells up. Get back to the fundamentals guys!
     
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    I was surprised that squeeze didn't happen.  And while I don't always agree with Ike, this time I do.  What they're doing has gotten them to being a .500 team and that's not going to get the job done.  They have three players with good small ball skills (read: speed and the ability to bunt) and it's time they started exploiting those skills.
     
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    This team is just bad. Whoever said blow it up is right. Why play .500 ball with over priced entitled players? Get back to battling every AB for a BB or hit every inning. That is just attitude. Pitching is a little different, you need a couple of aces in this division and right now we have a bunch of 3s maybe.
     
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    they should have bunted with ells last night, but i can see why they didn't, jacoby is a great hitter and they're trying to get him going. what better way to do that than let him hit a GS..

    in any case, this series has been horrid.
     
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    ........because the long balls are getter fewer between. Way too many GIDPs and virtually no sacrifices. Hitters trying to pull everything instead of hitting the ball where it's pitched, and all this flailing at bad pitches. It's clear there is a sense of desperation indicated by the impatience at the plate. The frustration is showing on the faces of the Sox players, which can be a positive. They just need to play within their ability and try not to do too much. Just putting the ball in play instead of trying to hit a 3 run HR with the bases empty will pay dividends. Perfect opportunity to squeeze last night with CC at 3rd and Ells up. Get back to the fundamentals guys!
    Posted by Alibiike
    Good post alib.........  Thought sure we would have seen more of it under Bobby V, and more since PAPI is out !!!
     
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    This team is just bad. Whoever said blow it up is right. Why play .500 ball with over priced entitled players? Get back to battling every AB for a BB or hit every inning. That is just attitude. Pitching is a little different, you need a couple of aces in this division and right now we have a bunch of 3s maybe.
    Posted by Mchampion


    You want to blow this team up???  Because I DON"T. 

    Blowing it up means unloading the good players as well as the bad, getting rid of Ellsbury, Pedy, Gonzales, and Crawford and replacing them with people without proven ML abilities.  In short, becoming Kansas City for a few years while they attempt to rebuild with... players a lot like what they currently have.

    Have we as Sox fans become Yankee fans, who EXPECT our team to make the playoffs every year??  And if they don't it becomes "I'm sick of this bunch of losers.  Blow 'em up!"?
     
    Great available talent isn't all that easy to find, especially at a price that can be afforded.  What's happening right now is going to hurt this team both this year and in the long run.  For the past few years the Sox have been able to "cherry pick" whom they wanted and they had a reasonable chance to sign them.  Why?  Because the Sox paid the money and because the Sox are (were?) a contender in the best division in baseball.  Those are the two criteria that the outstanding players are looking for.  JH is apparently still willing to pay the money but if they blow this team up those elite players we want aren't going to be willing to come to Boston to play for a 2nd division team.

    This team has problems but lack of core talent isn't one of them.  They should do the smart thing.  Try to keep the core talent and build from there based on what's available. 

    Core talent:  Ellsbury, Pedroia, Gonzales, either Beckett or Lester (to keep these guys means that the FO wants to give them a chance to prove they weren't as bad as they were this year.  That's fine for ONE pitcher but it's too big a gamble to keep two.)
    I think Crawford's going to be a player - he has too many tools not to be.  But I'd rather have Ells than CC so if CC can be unloaded to free up money for Ells.. go for it!
    Beyond that, weigh what's available against what the team has.  Middlebrooks probably stays as does Ross and Ciriaco unless someone makes a huge offer for them.  Beyond that, if they can find players who will improve the team then they should release the current ones and pay the newer ones.  

    That's far from blowing the team up. It's a reasonable approach to (re)building a good club.
     
     
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    In Response to Re: Time for some small ball......... : You want to blow this team up???  Because I DON"T.  Blowing it up means unloading the good players as well as the bad, getting rid of Ellsbury, Pedy, Gonzales, and Crawford and replacing them with people without proven ML abilities.  In short, becoming Kansas City for a few years while they attempt to rebuild with... players a lot like what they currently have. Have we as Sox fans become Yankee fans, who EXPECT our team to make the playoffs every year??  And if they don't it becomes "I'm sick of this bunch of losers.  Blow 'em up!"?   Great available talent isn't all that easy to find, especially at a price that can be afforded.  What's happening right now is going to hurt this team both this year and in the long run.  For the past few years the Sox have been able to "cherry pick" whom they wanted and they had a reasonable chance to sign them.  Why?  Because the Sox paid the money and because the Sox are (were?) a contender in the best division in baseball.  Those are the two criteria that the outstanding players are looking for.  JH is apparently still willing to pay the money but if they blow this team up those elite players we want aren't going to be willing to come to Boston to play for a 2nd division team. This team has problems but lack of core talent isn't one of them.  They should do the smart thing.  Try to keep the core talent and build from there based on what's available.  Core talent:  Ellsbury, Pedroia, Gonzales, either Beckett or Lester (to keep these guys means that the FO wants to give them a chance to prove they weren't as bad as they were this year.  That's fine for ONE pitcher but it's too big a gamble to keep two.) I think Crawford's going to be a player - he has too many tools not to be.  But I'd rather have Ells than CC so if CC can be unloaded to free up money for Ells.. go for it! Beyond that, weigh what's available against what the team has.  Middlebrooks probably stays as does Ross and Ciriaco unless someone makes a huge offer for them.  Beyond that, if they can find players who will improve the team then they should release the current ones and pay the newer ones.   That's far from blowing the team up. It's a reasonable approach to (re)building a good club.  
    Posted by S5



    I'm in favor of cutting lose some of the dead weight, and I think Beckett fits that category. Saw where the Dbacks were interested, Ben should have jumped.
    Punto is another that is just taking up a roster spot, waiting for someone to get injured to play.
    And, I'm pretty much alone on this one, Salty just aint cutting it. Shoppach and now Lavarnway would be much better.
     
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    In Response to Re: Time for some small ball......... : I'm in favor of cutting lose some of the dead weight, and I think Beckett fits that category. Saw where the Dbacks were interested, Ben should have jumped. Punto is another that is just taking up a roster spot, waiting for someone to get injured to play. And, I'm pretty much alone on this one, Salty just aint cutting it. Shoppach and now Lavarnway would be much better.
    Posted by harv53


    I'm also sick of Beckett and his attitude.  It's his ability and numbers that make me even consider keeping him around.  W/L aside he's had some good starts recently,  not top of the order stats, but worth keeping. 

    The other thing about him is his attitude.  I HATE that attitude when it's directed toward the fans and the media, but I LOVE it when it's directed toward the other teams.  When he's "right" he's got a "You've got to go through ME to beat this team" and I like that.  We need more of that on this team.  What Beckett needs is a media specialist to tell him what to say and when to say it.
     
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    they should have bunted with ells last night, but i can see why they didn't, jacoby is a great hitter and they're trying to get him going. what better way to do that than let him hit a GS.. in any case, this series has been horrid.
    Posted by mef429


    I'm one of Bobby's biggest fans, but he pulled a Francona last night when he didn't order Els to bunt. Jacoby was a great hitter last year !  He has not shown signs of that being anything other than abnormal. He was not a great hitter before last year and he's not showing any signs of being a great hitter now.  Bottom line is a bunt was in order and BV didn't call it.
     
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    Situational bunting is a lost art form. Bunting for a hit is also become that.
     
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    interesting, bellhorn, you finally said something instead of making lap-dog statements. Great point on that. It's sad to not see people throwing catch or doing much of anything other than in-season little league/pony.
     
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    Small balls? Plenty of thaty in the front office.
     
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    I think they need to make some significant changes...but not blow it up altogether. Becket could probably bring a prospect in a post deadline trade, and they really have to do it. Lester will likely be fine. If not then he's another one to address next season. Salty is what Salty is. I don't know if Lavarnway will be any better, but I don't think they should give up on Salty. You also have to think about the possibility/inevitibility of the post Papi era. Lavarnway is a prime DH prospect too. Then there's Jacoby...I say they pay him and keep Crawford too.

    I can see next year's lineup looking something like

    C-Salty
    1B-Gonzalez
    2B-Pedroia
    SS-Ciriaco (or Aviles, whoever comes cheaper)
    3B-Middlebrooks
    LF-Crawford
    CF-Jacoby
    RF-Unfortunately a platoon
    DH-Lavarnway

    P-Lester
    P-Buchholz
    P-Lackey (try to get him pitching before the end of the year for some sort of deal)
    P-Morales
    P-Cooke

    They need to go hard after a top FA starter...but the last time that happened they were stuck with Lackey. To get anyone like that in a trade, someone like Pedroia would likely have to go. Can a Ciriaco/Aviles middle infield good enough to add a King Felix type and let a fan favorite go? I don't know, but something drastic has to happen, and if Nomar can be traded....
     
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    This team has proved over and over that they can't execute the small ball.  Even on the remote chance the bunt gets down, they don't get the Sac.

     
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    Sure, jgallag, let's just keep everyone but Beckett!
    I'm sure that will solve all problems.
    Keeping an all lefty OF, and Salty!
    Wow! I can hardly wait til next season!
     
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    Sure, jgallag, let's just keep everyone but Beckett! I'm sure that will solve all problems. Keeping an all lefty OF, and Salty! Wow! I can hardly wait til next season!
    Posted by rightymclefty


    If Lavarnway plays for the majority of the games from here on out, then he and Middlebrooks will have some solid experience to take into next season. Add healthy seasons for CC and Ellsbury, and that's a huge difference in the lineup right there. The lineup just needs to be consistantly there from game to game, and it will produce runs. You have great speed in Jacoby, CC and Ciriaco, as well as solid running from the likes of Pedroia and Ross (if he's the platoon guy). And you have potential big bats in Gonzalez, Lavarnway, Middlebrooks and maybe even Salty. These guys all can play solid D as well. And as far as an all lefty outfield? It doesn't matter when your 2B, 3B, SS and DH are righties and your C is a switch hitter.

    The biggest problem for the Sox, is that they haven't had a pitcher they could give the ball and feel 100% that they would win since Pedro. Beckett hasn't ever been that guy on a consistant basis, and Lester has just never taken the reigns. They need a leader in the clubhouse, and they really just need to get guys like Beckett out of the clubhouse, let alone off the field.
     
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    Once again, the only real right handed power you can count on for next season is Middlebrooks.
    Ross might be tired of the circus and sign elsewhere. The idea of Ryan Kalish as the full time RF is revolting.
    Lavarnway, I hope can be what we want him to be, but who knows?
    Speed on the Red Sox is irrelevant, because they don't play small ball, no matter who the manager is.
    Salty is HR or strikeout. Kind of a poor man's Dave Kingman.
    As for no pitching since Pedro, didn't Beckett finish second to CC in Cy Young voting one year?
    Didn't Lester have an ace season last year?
     
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    We are 3rd in the league for fewest GIDP, so that isn't a problem.  We are slightly above averge in number of sacs also.
     
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    The Sox also are at or near the top of runs scored in MLB.
    Yet, their team average with 2 outs and runners in scoring position is .240.
    That they have such an abysmal record in extra inning and one run games, tells you that coming up with the clutch hit, isn't happening.
    Number of runs scored is skewed, because of blowouts, and not an accurate statistic.
     
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    We are 3rd in the league for fewest GIDP, so that isn't a problem.  We are slightly above averge in number of sacs also. Posted by Joebreidey
    Really? Seems like it's been worse than that.
     
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    Once again, the only real right handed power you can count on for next season is Middlebrooks. Ross might be tired of the circus and sign elsewhere. The idea of Ryan Kalish as the full time RF is revolting. Lavarnway, I hope can be what we want him to be, but who knows? Speed on the Red Sox is irrelevant, because they don't play small ball, no matter who the manager is. Salty is HR or strikeout. Kind of a poor man's Dave Kingman. As for no pitching since Pedro, didn't Beckett finish second to CC in Cy Young voting one year? Didn't Lester have an ace season last year?
    Posted by rightymclefty


    Yeah, Beckett has had a couple of amazing seasons. He's also come right out and been absolutely terrible the next season. He's been as inconsistant as any pitcher I've seen. Lester has had some great seasons as well, but he hasn't ever been able to come out and be the ace...take the team on his back and say, "I've got it guys, just get me a run". I'm not denying that they're very talented pitchers...I'm just saying that they aren't that dominant ace that the top teams/pitching staffs need.

    As far as big power bats are concerned? They're very few and far between at this point. Since the end of the 'roid era, there's not a ton of folks out there who can hit for power and average. And they're terribly streaky. Salty fits the bill as well as anyone, from a position that doesn't usually have it. Gonzalez and middlebrooks are your 4/5 guys, and Jacoby, CC and Pedroia are your get on base guys. After them you have potential power in Lavarnway, a very streaky guy who can hit big when he's hot in Salty, whoever the heck your right fielder winds up being, and then a guy in Ciriaco who's shown he can hit in key spots and has blazing speed. If he learns to bunt well I think he could be an extremely dangerous weapon. That's a pretty solid lineup, and let's not forget, it's not like these guys have had issues putting runs across in general. Their issue has been that the run support isn't coming at the right times. 

    If you compare that lineup to the 04 or 07 lineups, there really isn't a huge dropoff in power. The two big bats both seasons were Papi and Manny...where else? 04 had Damon, Manny, Nixon as the OF Millar, Mueller, Cabrera and Bellhorn with Tek as C and Papi as DH
    07 had Jacoby/Coco, Manny and Drew...Youk, Lowell, Pedroia, Lugo...Tek and Papi.

    I honestly think this lineup is better than either of those ones when healthy. If they keep Ross around for the right price that'd be great. Especially if they can find another dirt dog type player to platoon him with. Kalish might wind up being that guy. The big thing that I think this team is lacking compared to those, besides the top 2 SP from 04, is the attitude. Millar especially brought that swagger to the 04 team and mixed with the confidence of Pedro and Schilling made them a group that knew they were good enough to win, even down 3-0. 07 had a hungry Beckett (no pun intended) mixed with the youth of Pedroia, Youk and Jacoby. Both teams had that goofiness of Manny and Papi to go with the solid presence of Tek. It wasn't that they were the most talented teams...but they were the best TEAMs.

    These guys need an attitude adjustment, and it needs to come from cutting off the heads. Beckett, obviously has become a huge problem. He's just a lightning rod of negativity, even if it isn't always deserved. But the fire is gone. Papi...while I love him to death and will be forever greatful for what he's done for this team...has turned into a huge diva, and another huge pile of negativity. I had seen the same thing from Youk the past couple of years. He would scowl and bark any time an ump dared to call a close strike he didn't swing at. Just stuff like that. 04 and 07 had that can do attitude, not the negative "people are ganging up on us" type of attitude these guys seem to. I think with Beckett and Papi out of here, Pedroia and Lester and even Crawford can step up and be the leaders of a fun, young, talented, athletic team. Bobby V can win with a team like that as long as they take the shackles off of him. An eager group that's bloodthirsty for lack of a better term will go out and attack.

      
     
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    Re: Time for some small ball.........

    You're serious?
    Nobody in this lineup comes anywhere near Manny and Ortiz in their primes.
    Big time sluggers. You want to compare 10 HR Gonzalez with them?
    Nobody on this team is the big game player Mike Lowell was, and that's not talking about leadership.
    Tek wasn't hit and miss like Salty is.
    Mueller was batting champion in 2004.
    Kalish is no Trot Nixon, no matter what kind of rose colored glasses you use.
    Best of all, those teams didn't hit a measly .240 with RISP and 2 outs.
     
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