Time is long overdue to....

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    Imagine how quick Boras would be on phone w/ Ben if RS did drop him in order. Have to do whats best for team. Ells should be dropped and hopefully that might help get him going. Have a feeling numbers will be there at end of year, he's pressing in search of that big contract, seems his whole time w/ RS been waiting to get to that big FA contract. Some guys thrive in this situation others shrivel. 

     



    Scott Boras can complain until the phone melts in his cloven hoofs, but he has absolutely no say in how the Sox run the ballclub.  His leverage on that situation is nonexistant.

     

     

    Amd remember, Boras works for Ellsbury.   Not the other way around...

     
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    Imagine how quick Boras would be on phone w/ Ben if RS did drop him in order. Have to do whats best for team. Ells should be dropped and hopefully that might help get him going. Have a feeling numbers will be there at end of year, he's pressing in search of that big contract, seems his whole time w/ RS been waiting to get to that big FA contract. Some guys thrive in this situation others shrivel. 

     



    Scott Boras can complain until his cloven hoofs melt the phone in his hands, but he has absolutely no say in how the Sox run the ballclub.  His leverage on that situation is nonexistant.

     

     

    Amd remember, Boras works for Ellsbury.   Not the other way around...



    If I was a GM, I'd love to get a call like that from BorA$$. I could say things to him, I wouldn't want to say to Ellsbury himself.

     
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    Re: Time is long overdue to....

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    ...pull Ellsbury from the leadoff slot.

    In my opinion, he should bat 9th vs RHPs and sit vs LHPs, but at least get the guy out of the #1 spot.

    PLEASE!



    No you leave him up there, he has done it in the past and will do it again. Besides, I know you like 45 different lineup (one for lefties, righties, lefties on the road in June at night when the temp is 81-82 with 89 percent humidity, etc)constancy is good for the line up as a well when it is performing well enough.

     
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    Scott Boras can complain until his cloven hoofs melt the phone in his hands, but he has absolutely no say in how the Sox run the ballclub. His leverage on that situation is nonexistant.

    Not true. He had plenty of say so in how much time Ellsbury took off for injury. A player and his agent can easily go through the motions to an extent that putting a player on the DL or keeping him longer on the DL is the only option short of trading him or releasing him.



    Classic.

     
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    ...pull Ellsbury from the leadoff slot.

    In my opinion, he should bat 9th vs RHPs and sit vs LHPs, but at least get the guy out of the #1 spot.

    PLEASE!

     



    No you leave him up there, he has done it in the past and will do it again. Besides, I know you like 45 different lineup (one for lefties, righties, lefties on the road in June at night when the temp is 81-82 with 89 percent humidity, etc)constancy is good for the line up as a well when it is performing well enough.

     



    A consistent .303 OBP from the leadoff slot will catch up to us soon enough.

     
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    agree with OP.  JE needs to take a few days out of leadoff.  a smack to the back of his hand if you will.

    who leadoff?

    if hawaii is unavailable then nava or even DP.

    jake needs a break

     
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    I've always thought Pedey would made a solid, Jeter-like, lead-off man. So tonight, assuming no Victorino, why not:

    Pedroia, 2b

    Nava, rf

    Ortiz, dh

    Napoli, 1b

    Middlebrooks, 3b

    Saltalamacchia, c

    Ellsbury, cf

    Drew, ss

    Gomes/Carp, lf

    When Victorino is back, and hopefully healthy:

    Pedroia, 2b

    Victorino, rf

    Ortiz, dh

    Napoli, 1b

    Nava, lf

    Middlebrooks, 3b

    Saltalamacchia, c

    Ellsbury, cf

    Drew, ss

     

     
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    I know you like 45 different lineup (one for lefties, righties, lefties on the road in June at night when the temp is 81-82 with 89 percent humidity, etc)

     

    I like 2 basic line-up templates that may be adjusted slightly here and there as players rest or get moved a bit due to poor past performance vs that night's starter (but only if the sample size is large- which is rare).

    Here's what I wanted at the start of the year:

     

        vs RHP  vs LHP

    1)    Ellsbury

    2)  Nava    Victorino

    3)      Papi

    4)      Pedey

    5)      Naploi

    6)  Middlebrooks

    7) Salty      Gomes

    8) Drew    Ross

    9) Vict      Drew

     

    Hardly wild flucuations here.

     

    Now, I'd go with this:

               v R        v L

    1)       Victorino

    2)   Nava    Gomes

    3)        Papi

    4)       Pedey

    5)      Napoli

    6)     Middlebrooks

    7) Salty     Ross

    8) Drew   Nava

    9) Ells      Drew

     
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    In response to LloydDobler's comment:

    I've always thought Pedey would made a solid, Jeter-like, lead-off man. So tonight, assuming no Victorino, why not:

    Pedroia, 2b

    Nava, rf

    Ortiz, dh

    Napoli, 1b

    Middlebrooks, 3b

    Saltalamacchia, c

    Ellsbury, cf

    Drew, ss

    Gomes/Carp, lf

    When Victorino is back, and hopefully healthy:

    Pedroia, 2b

    Victorino, rf

    Ortiz, dh

    Napoli, 1b

    Nava, lf

    Middlebrooks, 3b

    Saltalamacchia, c

    Ellsbury, cf

    Drew, ss

     



    Pedey has stated he hates leading off, and the numbers back it up:

    354 PAs at leadoff:

    .253/.318/.375/.693.

     

    (FYI: his best slots are 4th  1.117 and 3rd  .850)

     

     

     
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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    Scott Boras can complain until his cloven hoofs melt the phone in his hands, but he has absolutely no say in how the Sox run the ballclub. His leverage on that situation is nonexistant.

    Not true. He had plenty of say so in how much time Ellsbury took off for injury. A player and his agent can easily go through the motions to an extent that putting a player on the DL or keeping him longer on the DL is the only option short of trading him or releasing him.



    So how exactly is that an example of Boras telling the Sox how to run the team?

     
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    Now with Vic having a hammy issue, who goes in the leadoff spot?

     



    Nava, Gomes (vs LHPs), or even Drew are all better than .303.

     




    If Victotino leads off, would you bat Nava second and leave Pedey third?  Or, put Pedey back in his comfortable second position and change the rest of the order?

     
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    Re: Time is long overdue to....

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    ...pull Ellsbury from the leadoff slot.

    In my opinion, he should bat 9th vs RHPs and sit vs LHPs, but at least get the guy out of the #1 spot.

    PLEASE!



    I said this two weeks ago, hes been pathetic.  Almost every game we watch you can almost count on a leadoff ground ball to the infield to start the game.

     
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    Lineup orders very much affect the players who hit in front of or behind certain players. That said, it's something that should be adjusted, as needed, from time to time. Once a player is in a long rut, a day off doesn't help, moving him for a few games should go without saying.

    Right now, I think they need to trade Ellsbury to an NL team. My lineups, tonight and over near term, roster as is, would be:

    v. most starting LP

    Shane/Gomes (needs his work load reduced as he's breaking down)

    Pedroia

    Napoli

    Ortiz

    Middlebrooks

    Gomes/Nava

    S. Drew

    Ross/Lavarnway

    Ellsbury

     

    most starting RP

    Shane/Nava

    Pedroia

    Nava/Salty

    Ortiz

    Napoli

    Ellsbury

    Middlebrooks

    Carp/Gomes

    S. Drew

     

    /QUOTE]


    I'm not sure why we started another thread on this.  We all went over this already, even our own analysts said Shane is the perfect leadoff guy.  Nava and Gomes are way too slow and neither can bunt but if I had to choose one it would be Nava. 

    Gomes, Middy, Napoli and Ells need to produce soon and Shane stay healthy, or this team will take a nose dive quickly.  Gomes may get a few BB's but none of these guys are doing what one would expect, including Napoli after a quick start.  I think our FO better start thinking about a solid trade to help this club if we intend on hanging all year

     
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    In response to ampoule's comment:

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    In response to southpaw777's comment:

     

    Now with Vic having a hammy issue, who goes in the leadoff spot?

     



    Nava, Gomes (vs LHPs), or even Drew are all better than .303.

     

     




    If Victotino leads off, would you bat Nava second and leave Pedey third?  Or, put Pedey back in his comfortable second position and change the rest of the order?

     



    I like Pedey 4th where he has his best numbers. I like Papi 3rd.

    I'm OK with Pedey 3rd and Papi 4th.

    Pedey is "more comfortable" batting 3rd or 4th...not 2nd. He's a hard swinger. He has better numbers 3rd and 4th.

     
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    If, Shane sits and Nava leads off, I like Salty v. RP, the 3 slot (.948 OPS and 5 HR), over the near term.

    Please, for the readers, articulate the reasons for your invective.



    You have called for Salty to be our back-up catcher, and now you say he should bat 3rd vs RHPs (about 65% of our games). You called David Murphy a starter and "full timer" in our argument that a platoon player is or is not a full time player when he faces only RH'd starters for almost his entire career.

    You are contradicting yourself daily. You don't even get it when pointed out. You keep repeating your contradictions.

    Cue: insert your "invective".

     
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    I've always thought Pedey would made a solid, Jeter-like, lead-off man. So tonight, assuming no Victorino, why not:

    Pedroia, 2b

    Nava, rf

    Ortiz, dh

    Napoli, 1b

    Middlebrooks, 3b

    Saltalamacchia, c

    Ellsbury, cf

    Drew, ss

    Gomes/Carp, lf

    When Victorino is back, and hopefully healthy:

    Pedroia, 2b

    Victorino, rf

    Ortiz, dh

    Napoli, 1b

    Nava, lf

    Middlebrooks, 3b

    Saltalamacchia, c

    Ellsbury, cf

    Drew, ss

     

     



    Pedey has stated he hates leading off, and the numbers back it up:

     

    354 PAs at leadoff:

    .253/.318/.375/.693.

     

    (FYI: his best slots are 4th  1.117 and 3rd  .850)

     

     



    True, but he hasn't led off since 2009. And batting is batting. Pedey is a pro's pro, he'd suck it up.

     

     
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    Re: Time is long overdue to....

    In response to LloydDobler's comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    In response to LloydDobler's comment:

     

    I've always thought Pedey would made a solid, Jeter-like, lead-off man. So tonight, assuming no Victorino, why not:

    Pedroia, 2b

    Nava, rf

    Ortiz, dh

    Napoli, 1b

    Middlebrooks, 3b

    Saltalamacchia, c

    Ellsbury, cf

    Drew, ss

    Gomes/Carp, lf

    When Victorino is back, and hopefully healthy:

    Pedroia, 2b

    Victorino, rf

    Ortiz, dh

    Napoli, 1b

    Nava, lf

    Middlebrooks, 3b

    Saltalamacchia, c

    Ellsbury, cf

    Drew, ss

     

     



    Pedey has stated he hates leading off, and the numbers back it up:

     

    354 PAs at leadoff:

    .253/.318/.375/.693.

     

    (FYI: his best slots are 4th  1.117 and 3rd  .850)

     

     

     



    True, but he hasn't led off since 2009. And batting is batting. Pedey is a pro's pro, he'd suck it up.

     

     




    I agree. Based on OBP, either Pedrioa or Nava should lead off.

     
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