Time is long overdue to....

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    I've always thought Pedey would made a solid, Jeter-like, lead-off man. So tonight, assuming no Victorino, why not:

    Pedroia, 2b

    Nava, rf

    Ortiz, dh

    Napoli, 1b

    Middlebrooks, 3b

    Saltalamacchia, c

    Ellsbury, cf

    Drew, ss

    Gomes/Carp, lf

    When Victorino is back, and hopefully healthy:

    Pedroia, 2b

    Victorino, rf

    Ortiz, dh

    Napoli, 1b

    Nava, lf

    Middlebrooks, 3b

    Saltalamacchia, c

    Ellsbury, cf

    Drew, ss

     

     



    Pedey has stated he hates leading off, and the numbers back it up:

     

    354 PAs at leadoff:

    .253/.318/.375/.693.

     

    (FYI: his best slots are 4th  1.117 and 3rd  .850)

     

     

     



    True, but he hasn't led off since 2009. And batting is batting. Pedey is a pro's pro, he'd suck it up.

     

     



    I agree to some extent, and he does have an excellent OBP, but putting him 1st or 2nd would shorten our line-up. We need to keep the balance.

     
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    You have called for Salty to be our back-up catcher, and now you say he should bat 3rd vs RHPs (about 65% of our games).

    Since when does putting Salty as the 2nd option behind the slash mark in the 3 spot, behind Nava, since when does that equate to "about 65% of our games".

    You are rabidly captious and trolling with incoherent spite.

     

     



    I have you down for featuring our back-up catcher in the 3 slot. Gotcha.

     
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    No, you don't "have me down" for anything but your own rabid blather.

     



    I have you down for more incoherent blather.

     

    You claimed anyone who plays all the games vs RHPs is a full time player (even if he sist vs all LHP games) not a platoon player. You claimed Salty should be our back-up catcher. You claimed salty should bat 3rd vs RHPs.

    You don't see any contradiction. I have you down for being clueless.

    Gotcha.

     
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    You are projecting yoru own rabid blather and arguing with yourself.

    Folks, look at this guy? I put Salty as the backup 3 spot hitter to Nava as my suggesting lineup changes over the near term and this guy is foaming like a rabid dog.



    I got you down for lack of reading comprehension.

     
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    ...pull Ellsbury from the leadoff slot.

    In my opinion, he should bat 9th vs RHPs and sit vs LHPs, but at least get the guy out of the #1 spot.

    PLEASE!



    Reached base four times in Wednesday's game.  So much for your opinion.  

     
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    ...pull Ellsbury from the leadoff slot.

    In my opinion, he should bat 9th vs RHPs and sit vs LHPs, but at least get the guy out of the #1 spot.

    PLEASE!

     



    Reached base four times in Wednesday's game.  So much for your opinion.  

     



    If I was softy, I'd pretend it was my post that lit a fire under him.

    Or, I'd say, "Manager John needs to talk to Jake about the need to get on base more often", or "Management needs to put more effort into getting our players to raise their OBPs".

     
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    Anyway- love the one game sample size judgements.

     
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    Anyway- love the one game sample size judgements.



    OK, I'll make it my opinion then that Ellsbury should stay in the leadoff spot.  He's bound to improve his OBP and I think he'll find his groove again.  He just needs to play to his strengths.

     
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    " this guy is foaming like a rabid dog."

    hmm well at least he doesn't use this forum as his wingnut propoganda pulpit and make up derisive nicknames for our own players. 

    on the other hand I really did like "trolling with incoherent spite," that's one of your best. I can practically see the spittle flying towards your monitor as you type that. 

    I think what's really bothering you here is you enjoyed Ellsbury trolling so much and now that most of the forum is piling on Ells you have to come up with a new twist....

     
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    At some point you have to pull Ellsbury from the lead off spot.  If he starts hitting and walking then keep him in it.  Last night was good, but he's still on the hot seat until he shows more of it. 

     
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    I really think that when Vic is healthy he should be leadoff.  He has speed, knows how to make contact and does everything he possibly can to get on base.  I really like the idea of this lineup:

    Vic

    Nava

    Pedey

    Ortiz

    Naps

    WMB

    Salty

    Drew

    Ells

     

    The bottom 3 are interchangeable and can give us flexibility with LHP when Gomes is in the lineup.

     
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    Anyway- love the one game sample size judgements.

     



    OK, I'll make it my opinion then that Ellsbury should stay in the leadoff spot.  He's bound to improve his OBP and I think he'll find his groove again.  He just needs to play to his strengths.

     



    When he starts "playing to his strengths", then move him up.

    It was nice seeing him get on base in 4 of 5 PAs last night, but here's his game by game performance before then...

    2/4

    0/4

    1/5

    1/5

    0/5

    2/5

    1/4

    1/5

    0/5

     
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    Anyway- love the one game sample size judgements.

     



    OK, I'll make it my opinion then that Ellsbury should stay in the leadoff spot.  He's bound to improve his OBP and I think he'll find his groove again.  He just needs to play to his strengths.

     

     



    When he starts "playing to his strengths", then move him up.

     

    It was nice seeing him get on base in 4 of 5 PAs last night, but here's his game by game performance before then...

    2/4

    0/4

    1/5

    1/5

    0/5

    2/5

    1/4

    1/5

    0/5




    He's gotta start somewhere.

    I'd give him this Indian's series before moving him.

     
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    Anyway- love the one game sample size judgements.

     



    OK, I'll make it my opinion then that Ellsbury should stay in the leadoff spot.  He's bound to improve his OBP and I think he'll find his groove again.  He just needs to play to his strengths.

     

     



    When he starts "playing to his strengths", then move him up.

     

    It was nice seeing him get on base in 4 of 5 PAs last night, but here's his game by game performance before then...

    2/4

    0/4

    1/5

    1/5

    0/5

    2/5

    1/4

    1/5

    0/5

     




    He's gotta start somewhere.

     

    I'd give him this Indian's series before moving him.



    Actually, he shouldn't be starting at all vs LHPs. We are having serious issues vs LHPs and having a .596 OPS up first is killing us. (It was .648 last year.)

     
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    Anyway- love the one game sample size judgements.

     



    OK, I'll make it my opinion then that Ellsbury should stay in the leadoff spot.  He's bound to improve his OBP and I think he'll find his groove again.  He just needs to play to his strengths.

     

     



    When he starts "playing to his strengths", then move him up.

     

    It was nice seeing him get on base in 4 of 5 PAs last night, but here's his game by game performance before then...

    2/4

    0/4

    1/5

    1/5

    0/5

    2/5

    1/4

    1/5

    0/5

     




    He's gotta start somewhere.

     

    I'd give him this Indian's series before moving him.

     



    Actually, he shouldn't be starting at all vs LHPs. We are having serious issues vs LHPs and having a .596 OPS up first is killing us. (It was .648 last year.)

     




    So, what are we up to now, 5 or 6 six players you'd move or replace in the lineup against lefties? Geez...

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    Anyway- love the one game sample size judgements.

     



    OK, I'll make it my opinion then that Ellsbury should stay in the leadoff spot.  He's bound to improve his OBP and I think he'll find his groove again.  He just needs to play to his strengths.

     

     



    When he starts "playing to his strengths", then move him up.

     

    It was nice seeing him get on base in 4 of 5 PAs last night, but here's his game by game performance before then...

    2/4

    0/4

    1/5

    1/5

    0/5

    2/5

    1/4

    1/5

    0/5

     




    He's gotta start somewhere.

     

    I'd give him this Indian's series before moving him.

     



    Actually, he shouldn't be starting at all vs LHPs. We are having serious issues vs LHPs and having a .596 OPS up first is killing us. (It was .648 last year.)

     

     




    So, what are we up to now, 5 or 6 six players you'd move or replace in the lineup against lefties? Geez...

     



    Two.

    Replaced: 1.5  Moved: .5

    Iggy at SS

    Ells to the bench vs LHPs and batting 9th vs RHPs.

    Geez!

     
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    Nah, Ells will get hot pretty soon. He will be the best player on the sox by August 

     
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    Naturally Ellsbury has gotten on base 6 times in the 2 games since this thread was started and raised his OBP 15 points to .318.

     

     
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    Naturally Ellsbury has gotten on base 6 times in the 2 games since this thread was started and raised his OBP 15 points to .318.

     



    Haha.  Gotta love the ever shifting sands of baseball.

     
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    Naturally Ellsbury has gotten on base 6 times in the 2 games since this thread was started and raised his OBP 15 points to .318.

     



    Maybe I should start a thread about benching everyone!

     
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    Naturally Ellsbury has gotten on base 6 times in the 2 games since this thread was started and raised his OBP 15 points to .318.

     

     



    Maybe I should start a thread about benching everyone!

     



    There you go.  We need more Georom-esque opposite-talismans.

     
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    Readers may (or may not) find this FanGraphs analysis enlightening:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/ellsburys-struggles-and-the-red-sox/

     
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    In response to hill55's comment:

    Readers may (or may not) find this FanGraphs analysis enlightening:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/ellsburys-struggles-and-the-red-sox/



    Thanks. Good read...

    The issue is not so much Ellsbury’s terrible performance against lefties this year, though. He has been bad overall, and his career platoon split is actually relatively small for a lefty. Ellsbury has made it clear that he likes leading off, although it is not obvious why, with signs pointing to Ellsbury taking off after 2013, the Red Sox need to go out of their way to cater to his desires. It would not make a huge difference, but the Red Sox might want to consider having Shane Victorino lead off against lefties, against whom Victorino is much better.

     
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