Re: Time to Bench Salty
posted at 12/13/2012 8:31 AM EST
In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Salty has something close to around 369 mlb level games under his belt now and last year was his best season offensively. Many here raved about his power and his OPS etc...but drill down in the numbers and he still was at a wRC+ of 95, or 5% less production than the average mlb level player.
Boom, comparing catcher offensive numbers with the league average will almost always show this. Try comapring his wRC+ with the top 30 catchers by PAs in MLB last year and he's tied at 17. He was tied at 16 on WAR. That's pretty average to me for those stats anyways.
EVERY defensive stat stunk like a Mississippi mule but many here think he is still a prospect to a degree and possibly just now developing into one of the leading catchers in the league.
Boom, every stat? Didn't we go through this last summer? What about WP per IP, PB per IP, WP + PB per IP (he was, I think, top 6.)
Statements like comparing him to other catchers in the league does do him some justice but we have one year of control remaining and he is already making more than he is worth this year after his arb is decided IMO. The bottom line is he now has 369 mlb games under his belt and in his best year ever he still is significantly under average as a hitter and his defensive numbers are God Awful.
Almost all his n umbers improved.
His 369 games were spread out over 6 seasons. How many players can really learn a position by playing 61 games a year? Plus, they played him at 1B for a while.
There is no doubt that LAvarnway did not put up good numbers at all in his callup but I would STILL bet he is the better catcher going forward.
I agree and hope so, because we will be trading Salty real soon.
And beyond that Swihart looks to be absolutely a winner in his development both defensively and offensively. A possible all star level catcher for years. They finally drafted an athlete at the catcher position.
YES! YES! YES!
Also, Salty was one of the best pitch framers in the game. Top 5 I believe, if not top 3. Russell martin was first I think.
He also had greatly improved his CERA after 4/25/12 to the point that he was almost even with Shoppach for that time period.
There are many examples, including VTek, of catchers who did not become strong defensive catchers until ages 29-31.
The main reason I see trading Salty as the best option is his 1 year of remaining team control and the fact that Ben will not extend him.