Time to Bench Salty

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    Well, it looks like all my catching wishes will come true. Salty/Ross platoon, Lav back in AAA where he can develop more. Butler in AAA with Vasquez and Ibarra in AA and Swihart at high-A.

    Not many teams have this kind of depth, although none may be great.

     
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    Ross should get about 70ish games with Salty getting about 90ish. I think Naps will play there only if he HAS to because of the hip.

     

    Ross actually hits RHPs slightly better than lefties, so (unlike Shoppach) we may see him give Salty a rest vs some righties. I think 70 is just about right for Ross and 92 for Salty.

     
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    Looks like NYY catcher F. Cervelli was on that HGH report from Miami. I wonder how many more names we will see on there.

     
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    Looks like NYY catcher F. Cervelli was on that HGH report from Miami. I wonder how many more names we will see on there.



    I guess PEDs don't always work like some players may hope they do.

     
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    Looks like NYY catcher F. Cervelli was on that HGH report from Miami. I wonder how many more names we will see on there.

     



    I guess PEDs don't always work like some players may hope they do.

     




    Although it does explain that wild-eyed look of his. lol

     
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    Think of how bad he might have been...

     
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    It's getting closer to that first game of ST!

     
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    What would be funny is if this thread goes all the way through this season remaining on the front page. That would have to be some sort of record...

     
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    What would be funny is if this thread goes all the way through this season remaining on the front page. That would have to be some sort of record...



    I've helped keep it near the top, because I have a lot of Salty data in these pages that I didn't save on my laptop.

    There's been some good back'n'forth here.

     
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    What would be funny is if this thread goes all the way through this season remaining on the front page. That would have to be some sort of record...

     



    I've helped keep it near the top, because I have a lot of Salty data in these pages that I didn't save on my laptop.

     

    There's been some good back'n'forth here.




    Yeah, Ive bumped it a few times too. Lots of good info to go back to this year...

     
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    What would be funny is if this thread goes all the way through this season remaining on the front page. That would have to be some sort of record...

     



    I've helped keep it near the top, because I have a lot of Salty data in these pages that I didn't save on my laptop.

     

    There's been some good back'n'forth here.

     




    Yeah, Ive bumped it a few times too. Lots of good info to go back to this year...

     



    I want to see how Salty compares with Ross with each of our pitchers if they have close enough sample sizes.

     
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    What would be funny is if this thread goes all the way through this season remaining on the front page. That would have to be some sort of record...

     



    I've helped keep it near the top, because I have a lot of Salty data in these pages that I didn't save on my laptop.

     

    There's been some good back'n'forth here.

     




    Yeah, Ive bumped it a few times too. Lots of good info to go back to this year...

     

     



    I want to see how Salty compares with Ross with each of our pitchers if they have close enough sample sizes.

     



     Ross should be around 70 starts and Salty around 90. That should be good enough for a safe comparison.

     
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    I agree, and since Ross is actually a little better vs RHPs than LHPs, Salty can get more steady rest and not be at the mercy of long streaks facing only RHPs.

     
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    Don't know what else Lava has to show in AAA.  Defensive catcher of the year, great hitting stats.  Salt, while a stand up guy, is a very average player, don't see the upside, might get his average up ten points, think he already reached his career high in homers, so-so defensively, goes weeks where it seems all he ever does is strikeout.  Nice to have the depth though.

     
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    Don't know what else Lava has to show in AAA.  Defensive catcher of the year, great hitting stats.  Salt, while a stand up guy, is a very average player, don't see the upside, might get his average up ten points, think he already reached his career high in homers, so-so defensively, goes weeks where it seems all he ever does is strikeout.  Nice to have the depth though.




    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lavarry01-bat.shtml

    i have to disagree with you on this one. his offense wasn't too impressive last year but that's OK he proved his offensive worth the year prior and was told to use 2012 to work on his defense (which he did). Still, he is not ready for a full time MLB catching gig. Another year to further refine his game as well as give salty another year to prove he can be the catcher of the future (which i think he will). Now is not the time to make the decision. the end of 2013 is.

     

     
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    Don't know what else Lava has to show in AAA.  Defensive catcher of the year, great hitting stats.  Salt, while a stand up guy, is a very average player, don't see the upside, might get his average up ten points, think he already reached his career high in homers, so-so defensively, goes weeks where it seems all he ever does is strikeout.  Nice to have the depth though.



    Even if you take out the Wake PBs and WPs from 2011, Salty greatly reduced his PB+WP per game rate in 2012.

    After April 23, 2012, Salty greatly improved on his CERA numbers.

    Few remember that VTek was not a great and maybe not even a good defensive catcher until he was 29-30 or even 31. To cut off a player who clearly improved in so many areas from 2011 to 2012 and say you can't see  future "upside" is a bit harsh in my opinion.

    I was where you are now last winter. I had given up on Salty. I screamed and screamed to trade him. He impressed me with his turn around, enough to now think he may keep growing over the next year or two or even longer.

     

     
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    It really is amazing to me that some fans dont see his improvement and want to give the job to Lav who has shown absolutely nothing in MLB.

    All the sox pitchers say hes a good game-caller, pitch framer and blocks balls in the dirt great. He been working primarily on defense and his game behind the plate which has taken away from his offense. Its seems most are ready to hand Lav the keys although his offense wasnt that good in AAA or MLB for the same reasons.

    Salty knows what he has to work on offensively and now that hes improved so much defensively, now can concentrate on his pitch selection.

    I bet he hits around .250-.260 with an OBP around .320 this year with even more improved defense...

    Yes, we sound like a broken record. Until some fans here take a better look then we will keep on voicing our support for salty...

     
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    I'd be happy with continued power, less K's and an OBP of .305.

     
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    I'd be happy with continued power, less K's and an OBP of .305.

     




    yeah, I would too. As long as the OBP is north of .300 and he shows more patients at the plate...

    If he did that, I could see a 3-4 year extension giving Swihart the time he will need.

     

     
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    Salt cares, says all the right things, and has great desire to do well.  Hope he succeeds, continues to show improvement.  Won't be from lack of effort and desire if he doesn't.  Can't have too many players giving their all showing improvement and performing well.  Just believe Lava's the guy.  We'll all see how it plays out w/the catching, it's going to be interesting, and there's a lot of talent there and depth, and think we'll all be happy with how it goes ultimately.  The more catchers that excel the better in my view, only increases trade values, as we won't be able to get all these catchers the major league playing time they deserve.

     
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    Salt cares, says all the right things, and has great desire to do well.  Hope he succeeds, continues to show improvement.  Won't be from lack of effort and desire if he doesn't.  Can't have too many players giving their all showing improvement and performing well.  Just believe Lava's the guy.  We'll all see how it plays out w/the catching, it's going to be interesting, and there's a lot of talent there and depth, and think we'll all be happy with how it goes ultimately.  The more catchers that excel the better in my view, only increases trade values, as we won't be able to get all these catchers the major league playing time they deserve.

     




    well, lava certainly has the chance to push Salty out of town this season. it comes down to his ability. He just needs to match or exceed what salty is puts up and it would be a no brainer. why resign salty to a modest contract when they can get similar production from lava at a fraction of the cost? his future is in his own hands. and he has 1 more season left to do something about it. If not, then welcome to 1B/DH...

     

     
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    It really is amazing to me that some fans dont see his improvement and want to give the job to Lav who has shown absolutely nothing in MLB.

    All the sox pitchers say hes a good game-caller, pitch framer and blocks balls in the dirt great. He been working primarily on defense and his game behind the plate which has taken away from his offense. Its seems most are ready to hand Lav the keys although his offense wasnt that good in AAA or MLB for the same reasons.

    Salty knows what he has to work on offensively and now that hes improved so much defensively, now can concentrate on his pitch selection.

    I bet he hits around .250-.260 with an OBP around .320 this year with even more improved defense...

    Yes, we sound like a broken record. Until some fans here take a better look then we will keep on voicing our support for salty...




    well said southpaw

     
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    well, lava certainly had the chance to push Salty out of town this season. it comes down to his ability. He just needs to match or exceed what salty is puts up and it would be a no brainer. why resign salty to a modest contract when they can get similar production from lava at a fraction of the cost? his future is in his own hands. and he has 1 more season left to do something about it. If not, then welcome to 1B/DH...

    1) Lava is not a certainty.

    2) If we extend Salty and Lava turns out to be the real deal, we can always trade one.

    3) My guess is Salty would extend at a reasonable rate. The risk would not be great, and the loss would not be much if Salty declines. The upside is that he won't walk after he proves many here were wrong about him.

    I can see what will happen if the Sox pitching staff does much better this year. Farrell and Ross will get all of the credit. If Salty has a big year, he will walk or be a very costly to extend. The way the catcher position is these days, I do not see extending Salty as a big risk. At worst, we might trade him and have to eat some of his deal.

     
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    Bump

     
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    Somewhere in all these pages, I showed how much better Salty did offensively in games after a day off. Hopefull, with Ross able to hit vs RHPs pretty well, Salty will not have to play many games in a row. This could help his overall numbers and maybe keep him strong through the whole year.

     
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