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In response to moonslav59's comment:
I think Toronto, Baltimore and even the NYY (If A-Rod leaves) would offer papi a nice deal...
Back to Salty...
Ive read your posts Moon about getting rid of guys that will be FA for younger prospects, and I agree withmost of the names you mentioned. I still think that we cant afford to disrupt the catcher position just yet though. Lavarnway is not ready and there should be a Salty/lav platoon IMO. I mean unless we got a stud catcher somehow, but that is highly unlikely.
Id rather the pitching staff feel comfortable next year with all the change that is going on with the team. I also just have a feeling that Salty is going to put it all together next year. Sure, I could be wrong but for 2-4mm I dont think its that big of a risk. If were not in it by the ASB, then we could deal him. He would be worth more then.
I agree. The catcher position is so valuable and often fragile that keeping both Salty and lava makes a lot of sense, especially if Papi bolts and we can use Lava at DH sometimes.
Although I have mentioned trading Salty, because he will be a FA after 2013, I also have mentioned a deal like Ellsbury for Sergio Romo and Hector Sanchez, who is under team control for much longer than Salty.
Salty may have a great 2013 season and then bolt. There is some merit to the idea of extending him now and make the gamble he will continue to improve. If we don't extend him, losing him for nothing is a no gain possibility.
I know most guys would embrace FA, but If Salty does do well he seems to be the kind of guy to accept a fair offer if presented with one instead of opting for FA.
You may be right, and I doubt if Salty has a good year, the Sox will low-ball him, so keeping him makes some sense.
One thing working against Salty staying with Boston is that he doesn't seem to be helped by the park as much as other hitters. He had the same OBP home and away this year and more HRs on the road (but a .038 worse SLG%). Last year he had a .031 better OPS on the road.
As I have said a few times on this lengthy thread, I have come near full circle on Salty since this time last year. I saw a great improvement in his game, and I am willing to see if the trend continues.
The one big point in favor of dealing him is ... 1) We can get a nice prospect or two for him. 2) If he stinks next year for another team, we look like geniuses. 3) If he has a good to great year for another team next year, we can sign him as a FA.
In theory, we can't lose by trading him, except to make us worse in year 2013 ONLY- a year I consider "lost" anyways. 2013 is certainly a bridge year.
I think they can compete with health, good moves and a better clubhouse atmosphere. But even if I did consider it a "bridge year", I would still keep Salty to see it through. Honestly, Im not so sure why I believe so much that he will be a solid catcher and even an AS one day (yup, call me crazy) But with Tek back, Farrell back and a noticeable improvement on defense, I just think hes going to put it all together in 2013 and we will see a better AVG and OBP to go along with his much improved defense. Even with the possible trade and re-sign after next year, that just interrupts the process and IMO, Lav is nowhere near ready yet and we have no other viable options. It would just add to the shopping list this winter.
Lavarnway would benefit more with another year in AAA if we really want to see what hes made of as well. Not as punishment, but strictly for developmental reasons.
I understand all your points, and they are all valid. I just cant seem to bring myself to agree with trading Salty. Im the kind of person to finish what has been started if it makes sense. Salty makes sense in regards to seeing improvement, having a low salary, and is the best option we have.
Now that we have, or at least the word is, we will get Adam Lind in the Farrell deal what do you see us doing with him? IMO, depth in AAA.
I see 2 suitors right now for Ellsbury. Cincinnati and Texas...
1b options are Laroche (I think Nats will keep him though), newly acquired Lind, V-Mart in a trade, Morse in a trade, Mauro Gomez, Kotchman, bring Loney back, Justin Morneau (I like this one), and Jerry Sands.
I think a 1yr maybe 2yr deal for OF is the way to go, besides giving Ross 2-3yrs. I like Torii Hunter (Angels do too) Ludwick, but he wants more like 2-3 yrs like Ross. It looks as if the A's will be letting Johnny Gomes walk. Delmon young on a longer deal. Angel Pagan (interesting name) If they let Ells walk. Good lead-off guy. Siezmore as a dark horse on a ML deal and invite to ST. the sox have a couple guys who will see playing time in the Fenway OF in 2013-14, so I dont see a Michael Bourn, swisher or Shane Victorino who are looking for long-term deals in FA or BJ/Justin Upton type trades which will cost too much in prospects for the production.
I like your Ideas on pitching..