Re: Time to Bench Salty
posted at 8/11/2012 12:17 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Time to Bench Salty
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Time to Bench Salty : It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Tek caught far more talented pitches than Salty. Pedro, Lowe, Schilling, a younger Beckett, a better Lester.......Better bull pens........even last year when Beckett was pitching well who was his catcher?????? And guess what? We don't have an 8 year sample on Salty.
You are wrong. The way CERA is supposed to be used is to look at how each catcher does with each individual pitcher one by one, and then you compare the CERA, OPS against, etc... Same year. Same pitchers. Different CERAs. Even if you took away Beckett from VTek (by the way, you call Beckett a bum, but now he's a good pitcher?) he was leeps and bounds ahead of Salty's numbers.
harness and I went back and painstakenly accumulated all the data, pitcher- by- pitcher, year-by-year, and found that looking at the same pitchers VTek continually got better results from between 70-85% of all the pitchers every year since he turned 30.
VTek vs Hatteberg, Hillenbrand, Mirabelli, VMart, Kottaras, and Salty.
There were a few pitchers (like Buch) who conatinually did better with anyone but VTek, but by and large, I mean way large, almost every pitcher did better with Vtek when observed year-by-year vs our other catcher.
Those are the facts. Yes, the sample size between VTek and Salty is rather small, but it was a continuation of a VTek trend from way back, and I believe our data showed that out of the pitchers that both VTek and salty caught a significant sample size with, VTek had a better CERA and OPS against with something like 14 out of the top 16 pitchers by IP. Same pitchers. Same home park. Yes, other variables may have made a difference, but the VTek trend from years and year before make it pretty clear, that he got better results. Maybe not as great as the CERA differential or wiining% differential indicated, but to deny he made a sigificant difference is not being realistic.
Yes, Salty caught Wake, and VTek didn't, but Wake was not counted, because there was not a significant sample size to judge by , so unless you are using CERA wrongly, as most posters here seem to do, then your point is not correct.
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