Time to Bench Salty

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    Salty seems to be back down to earth on his OBP number after a tiny sample size that is this season thus far, but here are some interesting trends (again 2013 is a tiny sample size):

    Salty with Boston...

    BB%: 6.2> 8.5> 11.1

    K%: 30.8> 31.0> 35.6.2

    AB/HR: 22.4> 16.2> 13.3

    LD%: 20> 19> 29

    OPS+: 95> 96> 123

    PB/Inning:  26/856> 6/852> 0/92 (note: I think I once counted 14 of his 26 PBs in 2011 with Wake, so maybe one could adjust 2011 to about 12/700.)

     
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    Salty seems to be back down to earth on his OBP number after a tiny sample size that is this season thus far, but here are some interesting trends (again 2013 is a tiny sample size):

    Salty with Boston...

    BB%: 6.2> 8.5> 11.1

    K%: 30.8> 31.0> 35.6.2

    AB/HR: 22.4> 16.2> 13.3

    LD%: 20> 19> 29

    OPS+: 95> 96> 123

    PB/Inning:  26/856> 6/852> 0/92 (note: I think I once counted 14 of his 26 PBs in 2011 with Wake, so maybe one could adjust 2011 to about 12/700.)

     



    The bottom line?  Salty is still hurting us overall offensively and with throwing runners out.  I would have pinched hit for him with the bases loaded in the 8th, then brought in Ross.

     

     
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    Salty seems to be back down to earth on his OBP number after a tiny sample size that is this season thus far, but here are some interesting trends (again 2013 is a tiny sample size):

    Salty with Boston...

    BB%: 6.2> 8.5> 11.1

    K%: 30.8> 31.0> 35.6.2

    AB/HR: 22.4> 16.2> 13.3

    LD%: 20> 19> 29

    OPS+: 95> 96> 123

    PB/Inning:  26/856> 6/852> 0/92 (note: I think I once counted 14 of his 26 PBs in 2011 with Wake, so maybe one could adjust 2011 to about 12/700.)

     



    The bottom line?  Salty is still hurting us overall, I would have pinched hit for him with the bases loaded in the 8th, then brought in Ross.

     



    c'mon.. i know you don't like the guy..... but he isn't hurting the team at all.

     
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    Salty seems to be back down to earth on his OBP number after a tiny sample size that is this season thus far, but here are some interesting trends (again 2013 is a tiny sample size):

    Salty with Boston...

    BB%: 6.2> 8.5> 11.1

    K%: 30.8> 31.0> 35.6.2

    AB/HR: 22.4> 16.2> 13.3

    LD%: 20> 19> 29

    OPS+: 95> 96> 123

    PB/Inning:  26/856> 6/852> 0/92 (note: I think I once counted 14 of his 26 PBs in 2011 with Wake, so maybe one could adjust 2011 to about 12/700.)

     



    The bottom line?  Salty is still hurting us overall, I would have pinched hit for him with the bases loaded in the 8th, then brought in Ross.

     

     



    c'mon.. i know you don't like the guy..... but he isn't hurting the team at all.

     

     



    Watching Salty throw the ball into CF yesterday and struggle to throw runners out in general shows us how much more valuable a guy like Perez can be defensively.  Offensively?Salty should have been pinched hit for in the eighth.  Now his OBP and BA is lower than the last two seasons which should begin to tell you something.  Like I said at the start of the season when I gave Salty praise for his fast start again.  It's all about where he goes from here and this season should decide his future in Boston. 

     

    I don't hate the guy, but do close my eyes when he throws the ball and bats.  I never did that with Pudge or Tek until his last couple of years in the league.


     

     
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    Salty seems to be back down to earth on his OBP number after a tiny sample size that is this season thus far, but here are some interesting trends (again 2013 is a tiny sample size):

    Salty with Boston...

    BB%: 6.2> 8.5> 11.1

    K%: 30.8> 31.0> 35.6.2

    AB/HR: 22.4> 16.2> 13.3

    LD%: 20> 19> 29

    OPS+: 95> 96> 123

    PB/Inning:  26/856> 6/852> 0/92 (note: I think I once counted 14 of his 26 PBs in 2011 with Wake, so maybe one could adjust 2011 to about 12/700.)

     



    The bottom line?  Salty is still hurting us overall, I would have pinched hit for him with the bases loaded in the 8th, then brought in Ross.

     

     



    c'mon.. i know you don't like the guy..... but he isn't hurting the team at all.

     

     



    Watching Salty throw the ball into CF yesterday and struggle to throw runners out in general shows us how much more valuable a guy like Perez can be defensively.  Offensively?Salty should have been pinched hit for in the eighth.  Now his OBP and BA is lower than the last two seasons which should begin to tell you something.  Like I said at the start of the season when I gave Salty praise for his fast start again.  It's all about where he goes from here and this season should decide his future in Boston. 

     

    I don't hate the guy, but do close my eyes when he throws the ball and bats.  I never did that with Pudge or Tek until his last couple of years in the league.


     



    Who would you have had hit for Salty?

    Ross? Please!

    Carp? They'd have brought in a lefty and the outlook would not have been any better.

    The injured Victorino who does not usually hit RHPs very well anyways?

    Salty had an .881 OPS vs RHPs before today's game.

    This Monday morning QB'ing is the main reason I never visit the game threads.

    Salty hits RHPs pretty well and was one of our best clutch hitters last year.

     
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    Before today's game, Salty had the 11th best catcher OPS in MLB at .836 out of the 29 catchers with 40+ PAs this year.

    You guys keep expecting 1B production from the catcher position.

     
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    Salty also had the 5th best catcher OPS (.881) vs RHPs (35+ PAs) before today's game.

     
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    Salty seems to be back down to earth on his OBP number after a tiny sample size that is this season thus far, but here are some interesting trends (again 2013 is a tiny sample size):

    Salty with Boston...

    BB%: 6.2> 8.5> 11.1

    K%: 30.8> 31.0> 35.6.2

    AB/HR: 22.4> 16.2> 13.3

    LD%: 20> 19> 29

    OPS+: 95> 96> 123

    PB/Inning:  26/856> 6/852> 0/92 (note: I think I once counted 14 of his 26 PBs in 2011 with Wake, so maybe one could adjust 2011 to about 12/700.)

     



    The bottom line?  Salty is still hurting us overall, I would have pinched hit for him with the bases loaded in the 8th, then brought in Ross.

     

     



    c'mon.. i know you don't like the guy..... but he isn't hurting the team at all.

     

     



    Watching Salty throw the ball into CF yesterday and struggle to throw runners out in general shows us how much more valuable a guy like Perez can be defensively.  Offensively?Salty should have been pinched hit for in the eighth.  Now his OBP and BA is lower than the last two seasons which should begin to tell you something.  Like I said at the start of the season when I gave Salty praise for his fast start again.  It's all about where he goes from here and this season should decide his future in Boston. 

     

    I don't hate the guy, but do close my eyes when he throws the ball and bats.  I never did that with Pudge or Tek until his last couple of years in the league.


     

     



    Who would you have had hit for Salty?

     

    Ross? Please!

    Carp? They'd have brought in a lefty and the outlook would not have been any better.

    The injured Victorino who does not usually hit RHPs very well anyways?

    Salty had an .881 OPS vs RHPs before today's game.

    This Monday morning QB'ing is the main reason I never visit the game threads.

    Salty hits RHPs pretty well and was one of our best clutch hitters last year.

     



    Yes moon, Carp or Victorino would have probably been a better choice.  I know you like Salty and hes a great guy but we have used/discussed every card including "stamina" and how insignifant SLG percentage alone can be with average defense.  The ball is in Salty's court the rest of the season to turn things around and there is plenty of time to do so. 

     

    Tek was still as good or better long after he became a back up. 


     

     

     
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    Salty was crushing the ball today.  Try watching the games first, and then forming opinions on it.

     
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    Salty seems to be back down to earth on his OBP number after a tiny sample size that is this season thus far, but here are some interesting trends (again 2013 is a tiny sample size):

    Salty with Boston...

    BB%: 6.2> 8.5> 11.1

    K%: 30.8> 31.0> 35.6.2

    AB/HR: 22.4> 16.2> 13.3

    LD%: 20> 19> 29

    OPS+: 95> 96> 123

    PB/Inning:  26/856> 6/852> 0/92 (note: I think I once counted 14 of his 26 PBs in 2011 with Wake, so maybe one could adjust 2011 to about 12/700.)

     



    The bottom line?  Salty is still hurting us overall, I would have pinched hit for him with the bases loaded in the 8th, then brought in Ross.

     

     



    c'mon.. i know you don't like the guy..... but he isn't hurting the team at all.

     

     



    Watching Salty throw the ball into CF yesterday and struggle to throw runners out in general shows us how much more valuable a guy like Perez can be defensively.  Offensively?Salty should have been pinched hit for in the eighth.  Now his OBP and BA is lower than the last two seasons which should begin to tell you something.  Like I said at the start of the season when I gave Salty praise for his fast start again.  It's all about where he goes from here and this season should decide his future in Boston. 

     

    I don't hate the guy, but do close my eyes when he throws the ball and bats.  I never did that with Pudge or Tek until his last couple of years in the league.


     

     



    Who would you have had hit for Salty?

     

    Ross? Please!

    Carp? They'd have brought in a lefty and the outlook would not have been any better.

    The injured Victorino who does not usually hit RHPs very well anyways?

    Salty had an .881 OPS vs RHPs before today's game.

    This Monday morning QB'ing is the main reason I never visit the game threads.

    Salty hits RHPs pretty well and was one of our best clutch hitters last year.

     



    Yes moon, Carp or Victorino would have probably been a better choice.  I know you like Salty and hes a great guy but we have used/discussed every card including "stamina" and how insignifant SLG percentage alone can be with average defense.  The ball is in Salty's court the rest of the season to turn things around and there is plenty of time to do so. 

     

    Tek was still as good or better long after he became a back up. 


     

     



    Victorino is hurt.

    Carp vs the assumed lefty is no better than Salty.

    Salty has been one of our best clutch hitters since the start of 2012.

     
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    Salty was crushing the ball today.  Try watching the games first, and then forming opinions on it.



    Yes, and there's a reason Salty was batting 6th and not 8th today. 

     
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    Salty was crushing the ball today.  Try watching the games first, and then forming opinions on it.

     



    I watch every game the Sox play Slomag.  The difference between fans like me is honesty and how I take criticism or praise.  I praised Salty after the great start again but will continue to show his weaknesses as well, not just mention OPS and improved defense blocking balls. 

     

    Salty's "OPS" is and strictly has been SLG percentage "like Teks last days" nothing else.  Watching Perez and Salty play against eachother in this series shows the flip side of defensive weaknesses you guys don't like to discuss with Salty. 

    Yes, he hit the ball hard a couple times today if thats all some of you want to hear.  Dempster also settled down but guess what?  The "first ball" down the center of the plate fastballs I mentioned earlier that KC jumped on ended up being all the only runs KC needed to win.  I don't just look at one side of the coin and never will. 

     

     
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    Salty was crushing the ball today.  Try watching the games first, and then forming opinions on it.

     



    I watch every game the Sox play Slomag.  The difference between fans like me is honesty and how I take criticism or praise.  I praised Salty after the great start again but will continue to show his weaknesses as well, not just mention OPS and improved defense blocking balls. 

     

    Salty's "OPS" is and strictly has been SLG percentage "like Teks last days" nothing else.  Watching Perez and Salty play against eachother in this series shows the flip side of defensive weaknesses you guys don't like to discuss with Salty. 

    Yes, he hit the ball hard a couple times today if thats all some of you want to hear.  Dempster also settled down but guess what?  The "first ball" down the center of the plate fastballs I mentioned earlier that KC jumped on ended up being all the only runs KC needed to win.  I don't just look at one side of the coin and never will. 

     



    Before today, Salty's OBP was much better than last year's OBP, in fact, I think he had the 4th or 5th best OBP on the active 25 man roster.

     
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    Salty was crushing the ball today.  Try watching the games first, and then forming opinions on it.

     



    I watch every game the Sox play Slomag.  The difference between fans like me is honesty and how I take criticism or praise.  I praised Salty after the great start again but will continue to show his weaknesses as well, not just mention OPS and improved defense blocking balls. 

     

    Salty's "OPS" is and strictly has been SLG percentage "like Teks last days" nothing else.  Watching Perez and Salty play against eachother in this series shows the flip side of defensive weaknesses you guys don't like to discuss with Salty. 

    Yes, he hit the ball hard a couple times today if thats all some of you want to hear.  Dempster also settled down but guess what?  The "first ball" down the center of the plate fastballs I mentioned earlier that KC jumped on ended up being all the only runs KC needed to win.  I don't just look at one side of the coin and never will. 

     

     



    Before today, Salty's OBP was much better than last year's OBP, in fact, I think he had the 4th or 5th best OBP on the active 25 man roster.

     

     



    moon, I respectively need to ask you one question?

     

    #1 Why is it you continue to use Salty's OPS to defend him as a starter when its so highly overated by SLG percentage and nothing else?  His defense "although improved" really is just average among league catchers. 

    A few fans tried to do with Tek towards the end of his career even though it really didn't help the team win many games. 

    You mentioned Salty being a clutch hitter last season.  He collected 59 RBI's with 25 HRS runs but only had a 222 BA, 288 OBP and only 38 BB's, compared to almost four times as many SO's.  Don't Salty's stats against righties/SLG just make him another decent "part time" platoon player, especially if he finishes a third year in a row with similar stats? 

     
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    Salty was crushing the ball today.  Try watching the games first, and then forming opinions on it.

     



    I watch every game the Sox play Slomag.  The difference between fans like me is honesty and how I take criticism or praise.  I praised Salty after the great start again but will continue to show his weaknesses as well, not just mention OPS and improved defense blocking balls. 

     

    Salty's "OPS" is and strictly has been SLG percentage "like Teks last days" nothing else.  Watching Perez and Salty play against eachother in this series shows the flip side of defensive weaknesses you guys don't like to discuss with Salty. 

    Yes, he hit the ball hard a couple times today if thats all some of you want to hear.  Dempster also settled down but guess what?  The "first ball" down the center of the plate fastballs I mentioned earlier that KC jumped on ended up being all the only runs KC needed to win.  I don't just look at one side of the coin and never will. 

     

     



    Before today, Salty's OBP was much better than last year's OBP, in fact, I think he had the 4th or 5th best OBP on the active 25 man roster.



    Thats not much of a reason to support Salty as our future starter especially if he finishes the same way as the past two seasons.  It does tell us we still have a lot of OB issues with our club if Salty's was one of the best going into today.

     
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    Time to bench Salty..??? Yikes! I don't think so. I know that numbers don't tell the whole story..but I am a numbers person when it comes to baseball and his numbers don't warrant benching..not by a long shot.

     
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    Time to bench Salty..??? Yikes! I don't think so. I know that numbers don't tell the whole story..but I am a numbers person when it comes to baseball and his numbers don't warrant benching..not by a long shot.




    Nobody is suggesting benching him, just questioning whether the guy is a true ML starter, or back up if he repeats another season like the last two.  Tonights another game and there are many left in the season but this will be a discussion all season.

     
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    Time to bench Salty..??? Yikes! I don't think so. I know that numbers don't tell the whole story..but I am a numbers person when it comes to baseball and his numbers don't warrant benching..not by a long shot.

     




    Nobody is suggesting benching him, just questioning whether the guy is a true ML starter, or back up if he repeats another season like the last two.  Tonights another game and there are many left in the season but this will be a discussion all season.

     




    Good point..and as I've been perusing the comments in this thread now I see that there is not a general consensus to bench him. I agree that this will probably be a conversation that spans the season and rightfully so. Salty was in a decline last season. My own household is divided on what his future role should be with the Sox. Although I feel like he probably did better when he was in the backup spot..I am not yet ready to say he should be removed from the starting lineup. Maybe my opinion will change halfway into the season..but I'm just not there yet.

     
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    Time to bench Salty..??? Yikes! I don't think so. I know that numbers don't tell the whole story..but I am a numbers person when it comes to baseball and his numbers don't warrant benching..not by a long shot.

     




    Nobody is suggesting benching him, just questioning whether the guy is a true ML starter, or back up if he repeats another season like the last two.  Tonights another game and there are many left in the season but this will be a discussion all season.

     

     




    Good point..and as I've been perusing the comments in this thread now I see that there is not a general consensus to bench him. I agree that this will probably be a conversation that spans the season and rightfully so. Salty was in a decline last season. My own household is divided on what his future role should be with the Sox. Although I feel like he probably did better when he was in the backup spot..I am not yet ready to say he should be removed from the starting lineup. Maybe my opinion will change halfway into the season..but I'm just not there yet.

     



    While Salty's offense might have been "in decline" last season, he defense (except for CS%) improved in every area, but more importantly his CERA related skills improved vastly and are continuing to improve this year by leaps and bounds..

     
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    Time to bench Salty..??? Yikes! I don't think so. I know that numbers don't tell the whole story..but I am a numbers person when it comes to baseball and his numbers don't warrant benching..not by a long shot.

     




    Nobody is suggesting benching him, just questioning whether the guy is a true ML starter, or back up if he repeats another season like the last two.  Tonights another game and there are many left in the season but this will be a discussion all season.

     



    You mean if he places in the middle of the catcher field in OPS and continues to improve his defense?

    While I agree that SLG% is too much a part of OPS and OBP is more important, consider this:

    Salty's .289 Red Sox OBP is better than the other catcher's combined in that time period and better than 6 other MLB team catcher OBP from 2010 to 2013. Maybe this is totally unacceptable to some, but certainly his .453 Slg% makes up for much of his OBP shortcomings. That .453 Slg% is better than 29 team catcher Slg% since 2011. (StL has a team Slg% of .455 since 2011.)

    Since Salty should only start vs RHPs, those numbers should be considered seperately.

    Salty's Sox line vs RHPs: .301/.486/.787

    19th in OBP

    11th in OPS

    2nd in Slg% (to Napoli who no longer catches)

    When comparing to team numbers, Salty places here:

    21st in OBP

    5th in OPS

    1st in Slg%

     

    I just don't see how his offense looks like back-up numbers when compared to the rest of MLB catchers.

    MLB catcher numbers vs RHPs only:

    2011: .323/.440/.763

    2012: .320/.396/.715

    2013: .308/.384/.692

    3 yr Est: .320/.415/.745

     

     

     
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    Time to bench Salty..??? Yikes! I don't think so. I know that numbers don't tell the whole story..but I am a numbers person when it comes to baseball and his numbers don't warrant benching..not by a long shot.

     




    Nobody is suggesting benching him, just questioning whether the guy is a true ML starter, or back up if he repeats another season like the last two.  Tonights another game and there are many left in the season but this will be a discussion all season.

     

     



    You mean if he places in the middle of the catcher field in OPS and continues to improve his defense?

     

    While I agree that SLG% is too much a part of OPS and OBP is more important, consider this:

    Salty's .289 Red Sox OBP is better than the other catcher's combined in that time period and better than 6 other MLB team catcher OBP from 2010 to 2013. Maybe this is totally unacceptable to some, but certainly his .453 Slg% makes up for much of his OBP shortcomings. That .453 Slg% is better than 29 team catcher Slg% since 2011. (StL has a team Slg% of .455 since 2011.)

    Since Salty should only start vs RHPs, those numbers should be considered seperately.

    Salty's Sox line vs RHPs: .301/.486/.787

    19th in OBP

    11th in OPS

    2nd in Slg% (to Napoli who no longer catches)

    When comparing to team numbers, Salty places here:

    21st in OBP

    5th in OPS

    1st in Slg%

     

    I just don't see how his offense looks like back-up numbers when compared to the rest of MLB catchers.

    MLB catcher numbers vs RHPs only:

    2011: .323/.440/.763

    2012: .320/.396/.715

    2013: .308/.384/.692

    3 yr Est: .320/.415/.745

     

     



    My answer to that is simple, our FO finally came to their senses by realizing good offense and average defense was much better for the team so they finally traded for Victor.  Since that time Theo brought in another "Salty" who he felt was similar to Tek but as of now hasn't come close. 

    As a result we now have even less talent at the position than in the last 20 plus years.  So in reality we finally recognized the flaw, then allowed Theo to make it worse as he did the entire club in recent years.  Your theory is most catchers are average, mine is the fact we have taken yet another step backwards.

     
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    Time to bench Salty..??? Yikes! I don't think so. I know that numbers don't tell the whole story..but I am a numbers person when it comes to baseball and his numbers don't warrant benching..not by a long shot.

     




    Nobody is suggesting benching him, just questioning whether the guy is a true ML starter, or back up if he repeats another season like the last two.  Tonights another game and there are many left in the season but this will be a discussion all season.

     

     



    You mean if he places in the middle of the catcher field in OPS and continues to improve his defense?

     

    While I agree that SLG% is too much a part of OPS and OBP is more important, consider this:

    Salty's .289 Red Sox OBP is better than the other catcher's combined in that time period and better than 6 other MLB team catcher OBP from 2010 to 2013. Maybe this is totally unacceptable to some, but certainly his .453 Slg% makes up for much of his OBP shortcomings. That .453 Slg% is better than 29 team catcher Slg% since 2011. (StL has a team Slg% of .455 since 2011.)

    Since Salty should only start vs RHPs, those numbers should be considered seperately.

    Salty's Sox line vs RHPs: .301/.486/.787

    19th in OBP

    11th in OPS

    2nd in Slg% (to Napoli who no longer catches)

    When comparing to team numbers, Salty places here:

    21st in OBP

    5th in OPS

    1st in Slg%

     

    I just don't see how his offense looks like back-up numbers when compared to the rest of MLB catchers.

    MLB catcher numbers vs RHPs only:

    2011: .323/.440/.763

    2012: .320/.396/.715

    2013: .308/.384/.692

    3 yr Est: .320/.415/.745

     

     



    My answer to that is simple, our FO finally came to their senses by realizing Tek was no longer as valuable to the team as a starter so they finally traded for Victor.  Since that time Theo brought in another "Salty" who he felt would be similar to Teks offensively but has yet to prove it. 

    As a result we now have even less talent at the position than in the last 20 plus years.  So in reality we finally recognized the flaw, then allowed Theo to make it worse as he did the entire club in recent years.  Your theory is most catchers are average, mine is the fact we have taken yet another step backwards and settled for it. 

     




     

     
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    Re: Time to Bench Salty

    My answer to that is simple, our FO finally came to their senses by realizing good offense and average defense was much better for the team so they finally traded for Victor.  Since that time Theo brought in another "Salty" who he felt was similar to Tek but as of now hasn't come close. 

    As a result we now have even less talent at the position than in the last 20 plus years.  So in reality we finally recognized the flaw, then allowed Theo to make it worse as he did the entire club in recent years.  Your theory is most catchers are average, mine is the fact we have taken another step backwards.

    No, my point is that teh catching position is not loaded with great offensive players, and to think Salty is a weakness for his offense is not considering the context of the position.

    Salty has improved on offense since becomming a FT catcher with Boston. His entire defense, except for CS rate has improved. Ross is a fine compliment for Salty, and our catching prospects are better looking than I can remember. VMart was a bridge catcher who was never meant to be a long term catching solution to begin with. 

    I'll take our entire catching crew over most team's right now. That brings me to my main point: catching is not a weakness of this team both now and into the future. And, if you do consider it a negative, we certainly have bigger weaknesses... like at SS and SP'ing beyond our top 2 starters.

     
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