In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:
In response to southpaw777's comment:
I still dont understand how cera is even remotely reliable. Salty can call a great game, play great defense and all that, but bottom line is if the pitcher cant hit the spot he cant hit the spot. I respect all the work put into all the number crunching, but Ive said this before. CERA doesnt calculate for the intangibles.
CERA isn't reliable in the least. If it was, Salty would be gone.
It's just a number. An interesting number in my opinion, but impossible to draw precise conclusions from.
Nonetheless it has to be a concern that Salty's CERA always ends up so high.
I understand the concern, but when I watched him play for the last 3 years I see a good catcher. Not great, not an AllStar, but a good catcher who is improving. His offense has improved as well.
I guess what I dont understand is all the negativity towards this guy. Hes not nearly as bad as some make him out to be. If his offensive numbers were a little better, he and Brian McCann would be in line with each other because their defense is already almost identical.
Some here are calling for the sox to go get him and they use Saltys defense as a big reason.But their ok with McCann who makes almost 3 times what Salty makes, just returned from labrum surgery and has comparable defense? I agree BM is better offensively over his career, but dont knock Saltys defense and then call for a guy that is comparable to him defensively.
I'm not saying Salty is ever going to approach VTek's reputation as a great catcher, game-caller, and overall leader, but many here forget this about VTek:
At age 27, he led the league in PBs and also allowed 22 WPs (BA .269).
At age 28, he led the league in PBs and allowed 16 WPs (BA .248/OPS .730).
At age 29, he missed significant time with an injury (only played in 51 games).
At age 30, he finally started to put together some impressive numbers, but still only had a .724 OPS, and his CS% never went over 28% in his entire career. His career CS% was 23%.
At age 26, he led the league in PBs, but had a 31% CS rate (it is 27% career). His BA was .235, and his OPS was 737.
At age 27, he had one of the best PB+WP/inning rates in MLB (.222/.742)
At age 28 (this year), he is off to a bad start in PB + WP, but is .264/.831.
I know some of you distrust the flawed CERA numbers and justifiably so. I know some of you feel to overall CERA shows a better picture than pitcher by pitcher comaprative analysis, so to those posters, I present this:
VTek at age 26 in 1998 (Salty was 26 in 2011):
Hatteberg 4.10 (.722 OPS against) * Scott was never known for his defense.
VTek 4.29 (.725 OPS against)
Vtek at age 27 in 1999 (Salty was 27 in 2012):
Hatteberg 3.13 (.662 OPS)
VTek 3.98 (.712)
VTek at age 28 in 2000 (Salty's age now):
Hatt 5.02 (.783) Might be more about Hattie getting worse than Vtek better.
VTek 3.96 (.714)
VTek at age 29 in 2001 (Salty next year):
VTek 3.00 (.631) vs team ERA or 4.18
Hatt 4.60 (.740)
Mira 4.75 (786) Became Wake's personal caddy.
Team ERA/ VTek CERA
2002: 3.75/3.74 (Mirabelli was close and caught Wake's games)
2003: 4.49/4.49 (Mirabelli was actaully slightly better at 4.46)
2004: 4.19/4.18 (Mirabelli at 4.26 and was a great def catcher)
2005: 4.74/5.02 (Mirabelli was at 3.73)
2006: 4.83/4.84 (Mirabelli was at 4.54)
2007: 3.87/3.80 (Mira 4.09/Cash 3.95)
2008: 4.01/3.66 (Cash 4.81) *When Vtek's CERA rule really began.
2009: 4.35/3.87 (VMart 5.22/Kott 5.36)
2010: 4.20/4.05 (VMart FT'er 4.28/Cash 3.73/Salty 4.33 in 44 inn)
2011: 4.20/3.57 (Salty 4.62/Lava 4.39)
As you can see, the legend of VTek's CERA rule was really only his last 4 years at ages 36 to 39. He was also a great game caller and pitcher handler from about age 28-29, and his hitting was much better than the league average for much of his career, but at the ages Salty has been with the Sox, VTek was struggling with his fielding and his OPS.