Re: Tito give us the NAMES, we want the NAMES of those Bastards!
posted at 9/30/2011 12:41 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Tito give us the NAMES, we want the NAMES of those Bastards!
[QUOTE]The manager is supposed to be the guy in charge. It is up to him to control the clubhouse. Tito always tried to protect the players, but obviously they took advantage of him. That cannot be allowed to happen. I hope we find out more about this situation in the days ahead. I have no doubt that Pedroia was never a problem. He is the one guy I would have the most faith in, but I never liked the buddy-buddy relationship between him and Tito, with the cribbage games, etc. The manager should never become " one of the guys." He can be friendly , but has to maintain a certain distance. Familiarity breeds contempt. If some players were behaving improperly and getting away with it, then the other players may well have resented it , and lost respect for Tito. Let's hope the names of the troublemakers come out. The fans who support the team have a right to know. Anyway , Tito had a nice run and plenty of good times and success. It is clearly time to go. One more thing I would like to add is ; What is the point of having a " bench coach " , and why are the players in the clubhouse playing cards and drinking when they should be on the bench supporting their teammates? Also , what is the point of having a " Captain " , and where was " Captain " Varitek while all this nonsense was going on? Finally , with Tito gone , we now need a complete overhaul of the coaching and training / conditioning staffs.
Posted by dgalehouse[/QUOTE]Few thoughts.
Let's be leery of folks pulling at straws and what was typical "friction between brothers" and what were real issues.
While Jackie is reported stuff with Youk, it sounds to me there were different and bigger issues.
At the heart of it what it sounds like is that there were guys on this team that weren't being professional in their work habits and that split the room. Now whether Youk was one of the bumble bees whining about those guys, I wouldn't doubt it. It is called self-policing which every good clubhouse, locker room and dressing room in sports to some degree self polices.
I doubt it was a matter of Francona and his staff just looking the other way FWIW. I think it was probably a matter of conversations and frustration for the staff all year. While it was sutile, Francona as early as June talked to the media about Crawford's unwillingness to run when he got on base his sub-par 29% of the time.
The team leaves can take you lot's of places. Ortiz pizzed about no extension and having grown into a personality rather than a team leader? Wake pizzed about his use? Lackey constantly making excuses and nort following the program?
As for Tek, I have always believed he was more of a "leader" of the pitching staff than a true team leader. He was on the bench when the room melted down in 2002. He was in the middle of a lot of whining about the hitting coach in 2006. And in fairness no one guy is single point of order in terms of self-policing.
I don't really believe it is Terry's failure. I think the FO put together a collection of guys without enough concern for how they'd fit together in this market. And in part because you can't find that stuff on the back of a baseball card.
Whether Terry stays or goes and the way this story is spinning it may not be as done a deal he is gone as earlier reports today indicated. But at any rate there will be coaching staff changes AND player personnel changes.