Re: TITO: I'VE NEVER STUCK LONG WITH A VET WHO DIDNT REWARD MY FAITH! TRUE?
posted at 7/19/2011 10:13 PM EDT
In Response to Re: TITO: I'VE NEVER STUCK LONG WITH A VET WHO DIDNT REWARD MY FAITH! TRUE?
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: TITO: I'VE NEVER STUCK LONG WITH A VET WHO DIDNT REWARD MY FAITH! TRUE? : Look deeper at Penny. He had the bad April, no doubt, then had these are the 15 starts starting with the first start of May. (The first two starts are officially QS, so they're not bad. He won one and lost one and to me, that's the right outcome. It should be a 50-50 proposition.) 6 IP, 3 ER (L) 6.1 IP, 3 ER (W) 6.1 IP, 4 ER (ND, Not great, but certainly no reason to dump him). 6.2 IP, 2 ER (W) 5.1 IP, 3 ER (W -- run support helped. It was a good enough start to keep sending hiim out). 6.0 IP, 2 ER (ND, good enough to win). 5.2 IP 5 ER (L, His first really horrible start in more than a month). 6.0 IP, 0 ER (ND, Good enough to win). 5.0 IP, 0 ER (W) 5.2 IP, 3 ER (ND, a decent enough outing). 6.0 IP, 2 ER (L, good enough to win). 6.0 IP, 2 ER (ND, good enough to win). 5.0 IP, 3 ER (ND, not great, not horrible. Kept the team in the game.) 5.0 IP, 6 ER (L, only his second really bad start in this streak). 6.1 IP, 0 ER (W). Totals 87.1 IP, 38 ER, 3.92 (a bit higher than I remember). Every team would stick with a guy pitching like this. This is my point. During this run, there was no reason to dump him. After the slow start in April, it looked like he was turned it around. And this is from a No. 4 or No. 5 starter. It went south after this run. He had just five more starts, one was a QS before being dumped. So you really can't say Tito stuck with him too long. And besides, what was Tito supposed to do. The pitching staff had a bunch of injuries and these (him and Smoltz) were the guys that needed to start. When Theo dumped them and gave Tito other starters, (Buch coming up was one of them), Tito went with them. Again with Lowell -- what was Tito supposed to do. The offense was struggling. Lowell was red hot .310 4 HR, 23 RBI in April and .307 BA, 4 HR, 12 RBI in May. Youk went on the DL, Kotsay, Bates and the others stuck in at 1B weren't hitting. Francona was in a no-win situation that should be acknowledge. He admitted that he didn't want to play Lowell like he did, but his options were limited.
Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]
After the last outing you listed, against Baltimore, he was sitting at 7-4, then he faced Oakland, TB, Detroit, Texas and New York, 0-4. The shine was off, he wasn't able to go deep, and was becoming less and less effective. The original premise was he was a veteran who didn't pan out, he had 24 games, carried him into late August, he had his chances, and was not very good. No one here is pining for the good ol' days of Brad Penny.