To all those who bashed me and called me out

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    Andrewmitch, I probably did disagree with you during the season, but have to say, based on your OP, I have few regrets for doing so.

    Your 0-6 April comment is still silly.  What killed the Red Sox wasn't April, but September.  In between the Sox had four very, very good months and won series after series, even against the Yankees.  And they did it with all those lowdown, dirty, rotten, scumbug players you are now calling out as being totally inadequate.  Guys like Drew (who actually contributed very little, I agree), Beckett, Lester, Crawford, AGon, etc. 

    What killed the Sox in September was horrible starting pitching, which was precipitated by the inadequacies of or injuries to Buchholz, Wakefield, Miller, Weiland, et al.  When Beckett and Lester also faltered, the Sox were in big trouble because that also led to the erosion of the bullpen.   The lousy pitching apparently exacerbated the rancor in the clubhouse and possibly led to the increased errors, the return of RISP disease, etc. 

    While I am completely in accord with the departure of Francona because the September collapse was epic in nature, I think he is mostly a very convenient scapegoat.  It helps that he says he couldn't get through to the players.  Time for a new guy. 

    But, the September collapse notwithstanding, the Sox will do well to remember the four good months when the Sox were winning all the time.  And this time I'll go out on a limb and say that the Sox will do well to keep most of this year's team and find a manager who's almost a clone for Francona. 

    Lackey, granted, is a problem, but maybe his mindset and concentration will be better come next spring.  Beckett, Lester, and Buchholz can all be solid starters, which is a good start, and, like almost every other team but the Rays, the Sox will have to work hard to find two more decent starters.  Maybe Lackey will be one, maybe Aceves.  Wake has to go.   If the Sox keep Papelbon, the bullpen should be above average.

    While I like Ortiz a lot, I think Youk is a much better value at DH, which means the Sox need a good hitting thirdbaseman, which might be too hard, which might mean Ortiz gets to stay.  But somehow the Sox need a third good righty bat (after Pedroia and Youk) in the lineup, probably in RF.  Crawford will come around.  Ellsbury should continue to excel, ditto Pedroia and AGon.  Catching, even without Tek, whose arm looks shot, should be fine thanks to Lavarnway's progress.  I'd probably try to keep Scutaro at SS because Iglesias does not look ready.  And, who knows?  Maybe Lowrie will find a way to stay healthy and also contribute in the field as well as at the plate. 
     
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    The last 2 posts were very intelligent and well-thought out summations.

     
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    Beckett had closed the deal in Boston only once before he was offered the big contract. He hasn't closed it since. There were "alternatives" to that contract. It was not so indisputably superior to other possibilities as to earn, flat out, being called a "no brainer." One was to let Beckett try the market.  He might or might not have done better than than what he signed for in Boston. I thought at the time that the contract, specific years and money, was risky. I still do. I found the last part of 2009 worrisome. Not just the slippage but how he looked while slipping. 
    Nor should anyone trying to form an opinion on contracts feel bound by the "best available" criterion. More than one team has come to grief using it.
    Our methods of assessment and definitions of value differ. Beckett's "sum totals" are one criterion. Another one, at least as important, arguably more important, is how a pitcher performs down the stretch when his club is in contention. The man wasn't very good in 2010.  He flubbed it miserably in 2011.
    Every Sox fan who is paying attention has noticed not only the "downs" but when the downs occur.  On the downside of the season. There were strong hints of this before the Sox ponied up. 
     
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    Amongst the months cited as Verlander's "rough patches," there is no September. There are two Aprils. 
    It's true that baseball is a marathon not a sprint. In Boston thus far, Beckett has not proved a good marathoner. He has not proved to have good value in that part of the season that is called "crunch time." For good reason. 
    Maybe he will have better value in the future. With the contract he carries, it's not churlish of Sox fans to demand increased value.
     
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    I am still waiting for who would have been the alternative to Beckett for 2011 - 2014? 

     
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    I am still waiting for who would have been the alternative to Beckett for 2011 - 2014? 
    Posted by tom-uk
    Who knows? Given Beckett's track record, given all the players on rosters and in systems, other possibilities existed. And you are waiting for the name of ONE player. The judgment was made on the terms of a specific contract. There were alternatives to those terms, as we shall soon see when negotiations get seriously underway between Boston and Ortiz and Papelbon. 
    The alternative need not have been for 2011-2104. 


     
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    I was right that going 0-6 in April immediately gave away the division (said in week 2) I was right that Crawford would not come around (said in May) I was right (then wrong but then quickly right again) that the Beckett extension was a mistake (said in April of 2010) I was right about Drew (said in early 2009) I was right that Lester is not an ace or big game pitcher (said for about 2 years now) I was right that the team (w/ few exceptions) had given up (said in late August; right after the yankee series) I was right that Francona was part of the problem (being saying that since 2005) I was right that Theo would go all year without bothering to spend a dime on a bona fide left handed reliever (said in April) I was right that Theo should have kept Beltre and VMart and not bothered with Gonzalez and 150 million dollars whilst depleting the farm (said over the winter) I was right that they would not get into the playoffs (said after the Rays took 7 of 8) Now let's see if those folks who started threads to call me out, will now have the class to retract
    Posted by andrewmitch


    1) The Sox lost the division when they went 7-20 in September. They were 2 games up in the division on August 27th, with a better schedule than NY. By definition, they overcame the bad start...who would have expected such a bad FINISH too?

    2) Good call on Crawford. I didn't realize how mental his problems were, and how hard it would be for him to get over it. Have to hope an offseason's time off will help, but you were dead right about this.

    3) How are you currently "right" about Beckett's extension? He's not perfect, but he's well worth his contract given the price of pitching.

    4) Everyone who knew anything about baseball knew the JD Drew signing was bad. He actually did better than most expected of him, I think (mostly because he was a better defender than most thought)

    5) You're 100% wrong about Lester, period, end of story. If you think he's no ace, you don't know how to define an ace. Aces gut it out even when they have poor stuff, and keep you in the game...and singlehandedly win games when they're on a roll.

    If you didn't notice, Lester's command was a bit off virtually all season, and yet he had a sub-3.00 ERA until he hit a late season wall. I guess that makes him a bum?

    Since he became a full-time starter, Lester has had a .670 WP and 3.33 ERA, in Fenway Park in the AL East. That's fantastic. Despite hitting the wall and cutting into his innings this year, he averages 203 innings a year. His ERA+ over the period is 135...CC Sabathia's (an undisputed ace) as a Yankee is 140. Lester isn't the best of the best, but that's not what an ace is.

    As for his not winning big games...I guess winning the clinching game of a World Series less than a year removed from having active cancer doesn't amount to anything these days...

    6) I'd say the team was more complacent than "given up". Why would you "give up" when you're 9 games ahead in a race for a playoff spot? That makes no sense...though I agree that some players might have given up once the collapse was well underway.

    7) You and a bunch of bums on this board have been "convinced" (not "proven right"...use proper terminology) Francona was part of the problem. Apparently you don't agree with the school of thought that players win baseball games, not managers. This isn't the NFL.

    8) Theo spent quite a bit more than a dime on LHPs who could have been bone fide LH specialists. Hill would have done the trick if he hadn't gotten hurt, and Morales was actually quite good. Or did you think Theo should grossly overpay for a lefty coming off a great year who likely wouldn't repeat that success? Who would you have had him pursue?

    9) How about you wait and see what Matt Barnes, Blake Swihart, Henry Owens, and Jackie Bradley (the players the Sox drafted as compensation for losing Beltre and VMart) become before we decide the offseason "depleted the farm system".

    How much did we miss the players we dealt away, anyway?
    Kelly had a solid year at AA, but he's still a ways away. It's not like Kelly would have been our late-season minor league fill in SP...Weiland had a better year than Kelly, in AAA instead of AA, and is three years older. Smart teams don't throw 21 year olds into a playoff race unless they're clearly ready.
    Fuentes is a high upside, raw player who is many, many years away. He had an acceptable year at high-A ball.
    Anthony Rizzo had an excellent year at AAA, but temper those numbers considering they came in the offensive-minded Pacific Coast League. Rizzo had a very tough time in his MLB stint...he would not have been the answer at 1B this year.

    10) After the Rays took 7 of 8, the Red Sox were only 2 games ahead with 10 games to play (no team has ever blown such a lead, FYI), and the team was reeling. I bet you were the only one who figured the Sox wouldn't hold the lead, congrats! I now dub you Tiresias!


    You sound like one of the many Nancy Negatives who litter this board. I don't think it takes class to retract any criticism of you in light of your post...more like blind foolishness. There's only one thing that you mentioned that I actually agree with and that took any talent for you to foresee...the rest was either patently obvious or is actually dead wrong. This reminds me of the days when firejoemorgan.com was still posting...some of the articles they responded to made my head hurt with the kinds of things they conveyed.
     
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    In Response to Re: To all those who bashed me and called me out : Who knows? Given Beckett's track record, given all the players on rosters and in systems, other possibilities existed. And you are waiting for the name of ONE player. The judgment was made on the terms of a specific contract. There were alternatives to those terms, as we shall soon see when negotiations get seriously underway between Boston and Ortiz and Papelbon.  The alternative need not have been for 2011-2104. 
    Posted by expitch


    The onus is on those knocking the extension to provide an alternative.  If I said don't resign Damon it would be on me to name a viable alternative to replace him, just like Pedro and  Lowe.

    Considering how few starting pitchers come to free agency:
     
    Here is a partial list of pitchers who would have been free agents this 2011/12 winter had they not signed long-term deals with their current clubs: Josh Johnson, Justin Verlander, Felix Hernandez, Ervin Santana and Matt Cain. (In future free-agent classes, it’s the same thing; among those who would be reaching free agency after the 2012 season, except for the long-term deals they signed, are Jon Lester, Jered Weaver and James Shields.)  Chris Carpenter too.

    Here is a list of the FA starting pitchers after the 2010 season which Beckett would have been on:

    Starting Pitchers
    Bronson Arroyo CIN *
    Erik Bedard SEA *
    Kris Benson ARZ
    Jeremy Bonderman DET
    David Bush MIL
    Chris Capuano MIL
    Bruce Chen KC
    Kevin Correia SD
    Doug Davis MIL
    Jorge De La Rosa COL
    Justin Duchscherer OAK
    Jeff Francis COL *
    Freddy Garcia CWS
    Jon Garland SD *
    Aaron Harang CIN *
    Rich Harden TEX *
    Hiroki Kuroda LAD
    Cliff Lee TEX
    Ted Lilly LAD
    Braden Looper MIL
    Rodrigo Lopez ARZ
    Noah Lowry SF
    Kevin Millwood BAL
    Brian Moehler HOU
    Jamie Moyer PHI
    Vicente Padilla LAD
    Carl Pavano MIN
    Brad Penny STL
    Andy Pettitte NYY
    Nate Robertson PHI
    Ben Sheets OAK
    Ian Snell SEA *
    Jeff Suppan STL
    Hisanori Takahashi NYM
    Javier Vazquez NYY
    Brandon Webb ARI
    Jake Westbrook STL
    Dontrelle Willis SF
    Chris Young SD *

    Slim Pickens


     
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    I was right that going 0-6 in April immediately gave away the division (said in week 2) I was right that Crawford would not come around (said in May) I was right (then wrong but then quickly right again) that the Beckett extension was a mistake (said in April of 2010) I was right about Drew (said in early 2009) I was right that Lester is not an ace or big game pitcher (said for about 2 years now) I was right that the team (w/ few exceptions) had given up (said in late August; right after the yankee series) I was right that Francona was part of the problem (being saying that since 2005) I was right that Theo would go all year without bothering to spend a dime on a bona fide left handed reliever (said in April) I was right that Theo should have kept Beltre and VMart and not bothered with Gonzalez and 150 million dollars whilst depleting the farm (said over the winter) I was right that they would not get into the playoffs (said after the Rays took 7 of 8) Now let's see if those folks who started threads to call me out, will now have the class to retract
    Posted by andrewmitch


    So you are bragging about 1) saying Francona was part of the problem THRU A WORLD SERIES TITLE? 2) That Drew was the problem after his second consecutive .900 OPS season? 3) That the season was lost in April, which I am sure you repeated all through May, June and July, a 3 month stretch where the Sox had far and away the best record in MLB?  4) That the Beckett extension was a mistake?    REally?  One year in, and the guy had a 2.89ERA in 193 IP, and you think that was a mistake?  If your evidence is September, do you even recall he was the one pitcher who beat Tampa and our only SP to win a game with less than 12 runs of support?  And all of that on a recovering ankle?

    It's funny - had I made a lot of your predictions, I'd be laughing at mylsef for how wrong I was.
     
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    In Response to Re: To all those who bashed me and called me out : The onus is on those knocking the extension to provide an alternative.  If I said don't resign Damon it would be on me to name a viable alternative to replace him, just like Pedro and  Lowe. Considering how few starting pitchers come to free agency:   Here is a partial list of pitchers who would have been free agents this 2011/12 winter had they not signed long-term deals with their current clubs: Josh Johnson, Justin Verlander, Felix Hernandez, Ervin Santana and Matt Cain. (In future free-agent classes, it’s the same thing; among those who would be reaching free agency after the 2012 season, except for the long-term deals they signed, are Jon Lester, Jered Weaver and James Shields.)  Chris Carpenter too . Here is a list of the FA starting pitchers after the 2010 season which Beckett would have been on: Starting Pitchers Bronson Arroyo CIN * Erik Bedard SEA * Kris Benson ARZ Jeremy Bonderman DET David Bush MIL Chris Capuano MIL Bruce Chen KC Kevin Correia SD Doug Davis MIL Jorge De La Rosa COL Justin Duchscherer OAK Jeff Francis COL * Freddy Garcia CWS Jon Garland SD * Aaron Harang CIN * Rich Harden TEX * Hiroki Kuroda LAD Cliff Lee TEX Ted Lilly LAD Braden Looper MIL Rodrigo Lopez ARZ Noah Lowry SF Kevin Millwood BAL Brian Moehler HOU Jamie Moyer PHI Vicente Padilla LAD Carl Pavano MIN Brad Penny STL Andy Pettitte NYY Nate Robertson PHI Ben Sheets OAK Ian Snell SEA * Jeff Suppan STL Hisanori Takahashi NYM Javier Vazquez NYY Brandon Webb ARI Jake Westbrook STL Dontrelle Willis SF Chris Young SD * Slim Pickens
    Posted by tom-uk
    I have not said flatly on this thread that Beckett should not have been signed. I have said that, given Beckett's history in Boston, the club should have had serious misgivings about the actual contract it offered. 
    I did say, "It's premature to state that [ Beckett's ] extension was a mistake. But it's not unreasonable to raise the issue in the context of long term contracts." That issue was very much in my mind at the time of the signing, and apparently in Andrew's as well. 

     
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    Almost every other top of the rotation starter never made it to FA in the last few years but the Sox should have had "serious misgivings" about locking up Beckett?

    But it's not unreasonable to raise the issue in the context of long term contracts." That issue was very much in my mind at the time of the signing, and apparently in Andrew's as well

    Andrew may not be capable of deep analysis so I will give him a pass, but Ex-P I would like to know why you think Lee is about the only top starter who has been a FA lately?

    free agents after the 2009 season:
    Starting Pitchers
    Brandon Backe HOU
    Erik Bedard SEA (B)
    Daniel Cabrera ARZ
    Bartolo Colon CWS
    Jose Contreras COL
    Doug Davis ARZ (B)
    Justin Duchscherer OAK (B)
    Adam Eaton COL
    Kelvim Escobar LAA
    Jon Garland LAD (B)
    Tom Glavine ATL
    Mike Hampton HOU
    Rich Harden CHC (B)
    Livan Hernandez WAS
    Randy Johnson SF (B)

    John Lackey LAA (A)
    Braden Looper * MIL (B)
    Jason Marquis COL (B)

    Kevin Millwood * TEX
    Brett Myers PHI
    Vicente Padilla * LAD (B)
    Carl Pavano MIN (B)
    Brad Penny SF
    Odalis Perez WAS
    Andy Pettitte NYY (B)
    Joel Pineiro STL (B)
    Sidney Ponson KC
    Jason Schmidt LAD

    John Smoltz STL
    Jarrod Washburn DET
    Todd Wellemeyer STL
    Randy Wolf (A)
     
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    Almost every other top of the rotation starter never made it to FA in the last few years but the Sox should have had "serious misgivings" about locking up Beckett? But it's not unreasonable to raise the issue in the context of long term contracts." That issue was very much in my mind at the time of the signing, and apparently in Andrew's as well Andrew may not be capable of deep analysis so I will give him a pass, but Ex-P I would like to know why you think Lee is about the only top starter who has been a FA lately? free agents after the 2009 season: Starting Pitchers Brandon Backe HOU Erik Bedard SEA (B) Daniel Cabrera ARZ Bartolo Colon CWS Jose Contreras COL Doug Davis ARZ (B) Justin Duchscherer OAK (B) Adam Eaton COL Kelvim Escobar LAA Jon Garland LAD (B) Tom Glavine ATL Mike Hampton HOU Rich Harden CHC (B) Livan Hernandez WAS Randy Johnson SF (B) John Lackey LAA (A) Braden Looper * MIL (B) Jason Marquis COL (B) Kevin Millwood * TEX Brett Myers PHI Vicente Padilla * LAD (B) Carl Pavano MIN (B) Brad Penny SF Odalis Perez WAS Andy Pettitte NYY (B) Joel Pineiro STL (B) Sidney Ponson KC Jason Schmidt LAD John Smoltz STL Jarrod Washburn DET Todd Wellemeyer STL Randy Wolf (A)
    Posted by tom-uk
    The alternatives were not limited to waiting for a pitcher to become available via FA, or to pick one at the time from your list of "slim pickens." If Beckett had walked, a good pitcher might have been traded for, possibly involving more than two teams; that is, a pitcher already under contact and who just might have been assessed a better long-term bet than Beckett. Perhaps a pitcher who didn't have four years to go on his contract. ( I will not speculate on the possible permutations. That's a mug's game. ) This issue can be sliced a lot of ways instead of calling the actual contract that Beckett did sign a "no brainer."

     
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    In Response to Re: To all those who bashed me and called me out : Right.  But if the offense is number 1 MLB and pitching is 22 and one thinks the offense is the problem and not the pitching one is not a "stats clouded zombie"  one is a simpleton. Which are you?
    Posted by snakeoil123


     I've already responded directly to you, that the pitching woes were OBVIOUS. The offensive were under the surface...the changes coming will be in response to the issues, namely not enough RH power, unbalanced line-ups and a poor OBP career profile (Crawford) as a major cog. Too bad it will take about six months to shake out, this simpleton can see it right now.
     
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     Soooooo, the #1 offense needs no tweaking, it's number one after all, and any significant changes would be malfeasance. Right.
     
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     If Beckett had walked, a good pitcher might have been traded for, possibly involving more than two teams; that is, a pitcher already under contact and who just might have been assessed a better long-term bet than Beckett. Perhaps a pitcher who didn't have four years to go on his contract. ( I will not speculate on the possible permutations. That's a mug's game. ) This issue can be sliced a lot of ways instead of calling the actual contract that Beckett did sign a "no brainer."
    Posted by expitch[/QUOTE]

    All due respect, that is drivel.  If this trade for a young starter was a possibility the Sox would have jumped at the chance.  Lackey was signed because Theo was unable to land any number of pitchers. 

    The answer is obvious, locking up Beckett was a no brainer and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded at best or only capable of child-like analysis (AM).
     
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    In Response to Re: To all those who bashed me and called me out : The alternatives were not limited to waiting for a pitcher to become available via FA, or to pick one at the time from your list of "slim pickens."If Beckett had walked, a good pitcher might have been traded for, possibly involving more than two teams; that is, a pitcher already under contact and who just might have been assessed a better long-term bet than Beckett. Perhaps a pitcher who didn't have four years to go on his contract. ( I will not speculate on the possible permutations. That's a mug's game. ) This issue can be sliced a lot of ways instead of calling the actual contract that Beckett did sign a "no brainer."
    Posted by expitch


    Well, since I've seen him pop up twice now, Slim Pickens (real name Louis Lindley)
    was a rodeo clown for twenty years, before becoming a strong character actor.
    And I wouldn't be surprised in that if he could came back from the dead, he'd have out-pitched half the performances I saw in Sept.

    BTW: His brother was an actor as well. His stage name was Easy Pickins. It's the truth.
     
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    I know it would rank higher than most but I wonder if you deducted all runs over say 8 in any individual game, how much the totals would drop. Point: We had a lot of big run games followed by nearly no runs the next day... we had a good number of games where we score 8+.  

    A team cannot go 2-72 when behind after 7 and still lead the AL in offense without something being amiss.
     
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    "Young starter" is your phrase not mine. I said "a good pitcher." You might be more careful with terms like "drivel" until you can demonstrate that you know what you are calling drivel. Next time you quote, put the key phrase, in this case "good pitcher," in red to remind yourself of what the other person was careful to say before you start commenting on it.
    You might have slightly more credibilty if you were that careful, but not enough to justify calling people "delusional," certainly not enough to declare that your answer is so "obvious" as to categorically rule out all other possibilities. The term "no brainer" suggests a belief that all brains worth counting as brains are on your side of the issue. 
    I guess you do. Pity.
     
     
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    tom-uk and Boomerangsdotcom vs. harness and expitch in the ultimate forum death match.  
     
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    Reminds me of G. Steele and Kowalski vs. Sammartino and CO. in the steal cage grudge match.
     
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    I know it would rank higher than most but I wonder if you deducted all runs over say 8 in any individual game, how much the totals would drop. Point: We had a lot of big run games followed by nearly no runs the next day... we had a good number of games where we score 8+.   A team cannot go 2-72 when behind after 7 and still lead the AL in offense without something being amiss.
    Posted by BurritoT


     The Sox scored 875 total runs for the year, in 40 games scoring at least 8 runs, their record was 39-1.
    Deduct 110 runs, for games over 8 runs, and you get 765 runs. Last year by comparison, they scored 818 runs. Were 30-5 in high scoring games. Deduct 53 runs from games over 8, and you finish at...765.
     Burrito, this is amazing. They had more high scoring games, piled on more in those games, and garnered one more win for all the fireworks...
     
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    Looking at Total Runs Scored over a Season is like looking at averages (ERA, BA, OPS, etc) - - it does not take consistency into account.  Too many people here think they know everything by reciting averages or basic stats.  In sports, consistency is the name of the game.  I'd rather score 5 runs every game then 9 in 81 games and 1 in there other 81 games.  At the end of the season both teams have the same 810 runs scored but which team really has the better offense that gives them a better chance to win every game?

    Anyways, I know I've posted on consistency vs averages at least 25 times and I am sure it still won't get through to antagonists out here.

    Not to mention there is a differnence b/t timely runs and runs that just run up the scoreboard.
     
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    Shhhhhhhhhh! Quiet down...

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    I was right that going 0-6 in April immediately gave away the division (said in week 2) I was right that Crawford would not come around (said in May) I was right (then wrong but then quickly right again) that the Beckett extension was a mistake (said in April of 2010) I was right about Drew (said in early 2009) I was right that Lester is not an ace or big game pitcher (said for about 2 years now) I was right that the team (w/ few exceptions) had given up (said in late August; right after the yankee series) I was right that Francona was part of the problem (being saying that since 2005) I was right that Theo would go all year without bothering to spend a dime on a bona fide left handed reliever (said in April) I was right that Theo should have kept Beltre and VMart and not bothered with Gonzalez and 150 million dollars whilst depleting the farm (said over the winter) I was right that they would not get into the playoffs (said after the Rays took 7 of 8) Now let's see if those folks who started threads to call me out, will now have the class to retract
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    In Response to Re: To all those who bashed me and called me out :  The Sox scored 875 total runs for the year, in 40 games scoring at least 8 runs, their record was 39-1. Deduct 110 runs, for games over 8 runs, and you get 765 runs. Last year by comparison, they scored 818 runs. Were 30-5 in high scoring games. Deduct 53 runs from games over 8, and you finish at... 765.  Burrito, this is amazing. They had more high scoring games, piled on more in those games, and garnered one more win for all the fireworks...
    Posted by YOUKILLUS20


    Two things are amazing here sir, one the stats and two that you took the time to dig it up. I had been thinking about it for a week and the more I saw people continue to say we had the best offense I recalled all those high scoring games - it was these games that carried our pitching during the summer. The fact is that our pitching was not much better in July than September.

    Thanks for the extra work, 

    I should ad my point was that if you often need to score 8+ a game to secure a "W" than your team is already screwed.
     
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