Career Stats
G- 1042
PA-4459
HR-197
R-609
RBI-657
BB%-11.2
K%-17.9
AVG-.292
BABIP-.322
OBP-.374
SLG-.510
WAR 27.7
Plus his glove at first base.
To those who don't want A-Gon
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To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 3:22 PM EDT
- freediro
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How do you plan on replacing this; -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 3:29 PM EDT
- freediro
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You guys call for him to be shipped off, you say he is overpaid or over rated, you think he is lazy, you miss understand his religious ideals, etc. So besides the lame bickering, what would you honestly do? How would you trade him, who would replace his production and glove? I really want to hear it, because if you can only single out one guy because they whole team is bad then why bother watching the game to get bent out of shape on maybe one of 2 other guys who could carry this team to the playoffs? I mean it's not like he wasn't hitting around .330 about a week ago... -
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Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 3:40 PM EDT
- freediro
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In Response to Re: To those who don't want A-Gon:the SOX can't get rid of him. this makes your whole argument mute. maybe you can post a similar argument regarding CRAWFUL.
Posted by mryazz
The Sox DON'T want to get rid of him! How many great hitting 1B with gold gloves come around for the money he makes? You're just like everyone else you have zero to contribute to these boards. So what makes A-Gon so bad he couldn't be moved? Don't bring up money because this is sports and there are always teams, no matter if its football or baseball or basketball, that can't afford big contracts. -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 3:42 PM EDT
- royf19
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In Response to Re: To those who don't want A-Gon:In Response to Re: To those who don't want A-Gon : The Sox DON'T want to get rid of him! Carwful hasn't been remotely as productive has A-Gon. How many great hitting 1B with gold gloves come around for the money he makes?
Posted by freediro
Don't bother with posters yzzer. A-Gon will heat up and when he does, posters like him will crawl back into their holes. -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 3:49 PM EDT
- carnie
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In Response to Re: To those who don't want A-Gon:the SOX can't get rid of him. this makes your whole argument mute. maybe you can post a similar argument regarding CRAWFUL.I think you mean moot, which doesn't really apply in this context either, a point can be moot, but an argument would inapplicable. Or did you really mean you can't hear freediro's argument? Oh and BTW when you assign juvenile ridiculing nicknames to RS players you don't sound like a Red Sox fan so much as a pimply faced teenager hiding out in his mom's basement. Then again I haven't read a decent point you've made in a post yet so
Posted by mryazz
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Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 3:50 PM EDT
- craze4sox
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In Response to To those who don't want A-Gon:How do you plan on replacing this; Career Stats G- 1042 PA-4459 HR-197 R-609 RBI-657 BB%-11.2 K%-17.9 AVG-.292 BABIP-.322 OBP-.374 SLG-.510 WAR 27.7 Plus his glove at first base.
Posted by freediro
I'm not sure what happened to Adrians power but I still wouldn't trade him. Youk has been injured and/or on the DL now three years in a row. If anyone wants to avoid the fact our starting pitching has been horrible, then start with the obvious. Youk has never been the same the last two plus years and thats a huge part of the offense in itself. -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 4:42 PM EDT
- andrewmitch
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In Response to Re: To those who don't want A-Gon:In Response to Re: To those who don't want A-Gon : The Sox DON'T want to get rid of him! How many great hitting 1B with gold gloves come around for the money he makes? You're just like everyone else you have zero to contribute to these boards. So what makes A-Gon so bad he couldn't be moved? Don't bring up money because this is sports and there are always teams, no matter if its football or baseball or basketball, that can't afford big contracts.
Posted by freediro
Perhaps you've heard of Kevin Youkilis? 400 OBP, 30 HR's/100 RBI, Gold Glove, 2-Time World Champion, and yes, earns less than HALF of what AGonzo does......... -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 5:20 PM EDT
- Schumpeters-Ghost
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The real problem with Gonzalez is that he doesn't care.
He literally doesn't care if the team wins of loses. he doesn't care if he goes 5 for 5 or 0 for 4.
The only thing he cares about is making money - and he achieved that - so ultimately he now cares about nothing at all. -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 5:21 PM EDT
- expitch
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There will be complaints about Gonzalez until he produces late-inning power, including homers, that affects the outcome of games. Whether this is fair or short-sighted is debatable, but it should not have been unexpected. He was obtained as a power-hitter, and it was widely said, including on this board, that once away from Petco he would put up big homer numbers. Perhaps the expectations were unrealistic or made in a moment of euphoria. All of that was understandable. Boston appeared to have reeled in a Big Fish. But so are some expressions of disappointment understandable.There is a long season ahead. Judgments about Gonzalez will no doubt be made along the way. His record will tell the story. -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 5:21 PM EDT
- 111SoxFan111
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In response to "Re: To those who don't want A-Gon":In Response to Re: To those who don't want A-Gon : I think you mean moot, which doesn't really apply in this context either, a point can be moot, but an argument would inapplicable. Or did you really mean you can't hear freediro's argument? Oh and BTW when you assign juvenile ridiculing nicknames to RS players you don't sound like a Red Sox fan so much as a pimply faced teenager hiding out in his mom's basement. Then again I haven't read a decent point you've made in a post yet so Posted by carnieNow THAT is a mute point!!! -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 5:25 PM EDT
- Schumpeters-Ghost
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Gonzalez will endear himself to fans if he stops falling asleep during games. -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 5:28 PM EDT
- Chilliwings
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The biggest "problem" AGon has is that, like Manny, JD Drew and others he doesn't outwardly show his passion for....anything...the game, his team, most anything.
Most of us love the wild, cavalier aggression that players like Pedroia, Youkilis and others show...but part of that is just personality trait, and it dismisses the calm, clinical dispassion that hitting machines like Manny and AGon exploit.
Look at Manny, AGon and Drew's Clutch Stats splits. There is very little relative difference among them. All are relatively low for "Late and Close" (which makes sense because they are facing the best and freshest of the opponents' relievers) but other than that their numbers for X outs, Y RISP, ahead or behind....are all very close. People's perceptions are just that....they see what they expect, and the facts be damned. -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 5:32 PM EDT
- Schumpeters-Ghost
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Well - it's a fact that Gonzalezs didn't care when they played lousy and didn't make the playoffs.
He said he didn't care.
It's also a fact that he is hitting like Rick Miller this year. -
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posted at 5/5/2012 5:34 PM EDT
- georom4
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In Response to Re: To those who don't want A-Gon:Gonzalez will endear himself to fans if he stops falling asleep during games.
Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost
POST OF THE WEEK! -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 5:35 PM EDT
- lives2ski
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In Response to Re: To those who don't want A-Gon:In Response to Re: To those who don't want A-Gon : Perhaps you've heard of Kevin Youkilis? 400 OBP, 30 HR's/100 RBI, Gold Glove, 2-Time World Champion, and yes, earns less than HALF of what AGonzo does.........
Posted by andrewmitch
You mean the Kevin Youklis currently on the DL and hitting .219/2/9 with an OBP of .292 and an OPS of .635? That Kevin Youklis?
He will replade AGon's .284/2/15/.356/.752?? -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 5:44 PM EDT
- Chilliwings
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JD Drew "Clutch Stats" from B-R:
Career OPS: .873
2 out, RISP: .866
Tie game: .876
Within 1R: .867
Within 2R: .869
Within 3R: .874
Within 4R: .876
Margin />4: .856
Ahead: .857
Behind: .890
Late and close: .788 (85 point gap)
Again, other than late and close he was a machine...no effective difference in performance.
But look at ANY player's career late and close vs overall OPS and it's weak because they are generally facing the best and freshest of the opponent's BP:
Manny: Career .996, late and close .894 (112 point gap)
Drew: .873 / .788 (85 point gap)
Agon: .884 / .814 (70 point gap)
Ortiz: .925 / .896 (29 point gap)
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Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 5:45 PM EDT
- Schumpeters-Ghost
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No. -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 5:55 PM EDT
- hill55
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Perhaps Adrian Gonzalez, who turns 30 on Tuesday, has passed the peak production of his career.
Gonzalez, who does not have a particularly spry body for a player his age, likely has some good years left, but his trade value is limited by the $127 million remaining on his contract after this season. -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 5:56 PM EDT
- slomag
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Gonzalez is heating up. I remember similar threads about him this time last year - I think somebody compared him to Jose Offerman, and then he hit 9 HRs in May, and slugged over .700 in June. -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 5:58 PM EDT
- georom4
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agon = boring
only a sabermetric stat geek could get fired up by this guy....like theo -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 6:24 PM EDT
- antiqueman1
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In Response to Re: To those who don't want A-Gon:In Response to Re: To those who don't want A-Gon : Perhaps you've heard of Kevin Youkilis? 400 OBP, 30 HR's/100 RBI, Gold Glove, 2-Time World Champion, and yes, earns less than HALF of what AGonzo does.........
Posted by andrewmitch
My thoughts exactly. Youk should have been left at 1st. Agon was not needed. Should have just re-signed Beltre and Victor. -
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Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 6:34 PM EDT
- Chilliwings
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In Response to Re: To those who don't want A-Gon:agon = boring only a sabermetric stat geek could get fired up by this guy....like theo
Posted by georom4
Geo....I agree, but think that misses the main point. I've said for many years that I think spending big money on 1B and DH is absurd because it's relatively easy to find decent, cheap, short-term solutions to those positions leaving funds to buy talent at the key "skill" positions. But as overpaid as I think AGon is, he is likely to play most games, every year, for many years, making relatively few outs and generally, quietly, boringly contibuting to a gigantic annual run total for the Sox. And that's a decent foundation to build on, IMO. -
Re: To those who don't want A-Gon
posted at 5/5/2012 6:35 PM EDT
- jackbu
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Please, enough with the stats for morons. How about .188 against the Yankees. His hits in close games also go down. No post season history, when the going got tough last sept, he did nothing. He also suffered the home run derby hangover last year. He is now saying he did not want go enter but Ortiz talked him into it.