Todd Helton: Red Sox show 'ultimate class'

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    Todd Helton: Red Sox show 'ultimate class'

    It's great that the Sox showed Helton much deserved respect in his last home game,but if what I read is true,I have a problem with that.

    http://www.csnne.com/blog/red-sox-talk/helton-red-sox-show-ultimate-class?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

     

    Rockies shortstop Troy Tulowitzki told reporters that Red Sox starter Jake Peavy had informed Helton before the game: "I'm going to throw you all [fastballs]." It was a fastball that Helton hit for a home run in the second inning.

    "I think Peavy just did me a favor," Helton said. "He's a good dude, and he probably just helped me out right there."

     
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    That's nice but what if that cost us the game and homefield advantage?

    That's not really class at all but disrepecting the Sox and their fans

    Class would had been something like all the Sox players to come out of the dugout and the guys in the field to tip their cap to him before his first AB and Jake could had stepped off the mound and allowed plenty of time for it - something like that......

    Maybe if we have a 5 run lead in mid innings, OK - sure fine.  Or if we already clinched Home Field for Oct........but this was not right at all.  Peavy is lucky we won.

     
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    The Red Sox won 15-5 last night so I do not have a problem with Peavy.  

    Helton seems to be a very humble guy so he probably did not want to get much credit for his homer.  

    More importantly, the Oakland A's lost last night so Boston has a two-game lead with three to go.   Laughing

     
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    The Red Sox won 15-5 last night so I do not have a problem with Peavy.  

    Helton seems to be a very humble guy so he probably did not want to get too much credit for his homer.  

    More importantly, the Oakland A's lost last night so Boston has a two-ggame lead with three to go.   Laughing

     




    what was the score at the time of the event?  and what inning was it?

     

     

     
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    ...and we're all lucky Peavy didn't try to annex the Sudetenland after the game.   ;-)

     

     
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    That's nice but what if that cost us the game and homefield advantage?

    That's not really class at all but disrepecting the Sox and their fans

    Class would had been something like all the Sox players to come out of the dugout and the guys in the field to tip their cap to him before his first AB and Jake could had stepped off the mound and allowed plenty of time for it - something like that......

    Maybe if we have a 5 run lead in mid innings, OK - sure fine.  Or if we already clinched Home Field for Oct........but this was not right at all.  Peavy is lucky we won.



    The article goes deeper into the "class" remark,like how they stayed in the dugout during the ceremony so the focus was on Helton,etc..

      Throwing the meatball is the paragraph I chose to paste because I find it a little upsetting.A move like that could have cost the Sox homefield advantage.

     
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    ...and we're all lucky Peavy didn't try to annex the Sudetenland after the game.   ;-)

     

     



    Laughing

     
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    The Red Sox won 15-5 last night so I do not have a problem with Peavy.  

    Helton seems to be a very humble guy so he probably did not want to get too much credit for his homer.  

    More importantly, the Oakland A's lost last night so Boston has a two-ggame lead with three to go.   Laughing

     




    what was the score at the time of the event?

     

     



    Helton's homer made it 3-1 (Red Sox lead) in the bottom of the second inning.

     
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    The Red Sox won 15-5 last night so I do not have a problem with Peavy.  

    Helton seems to be a very humble guy so he probably did not want to get too much credit for his homer.  

    More importantly, the Oakland A's lost last night so Boston has a two-ggame lead with three to go.   Laughing

     




    what was the score at the time of the event?

     

     



    I know that the Red Sox were up only 3-0 at the time.  At least nobody was on base when Helton hit the homer.    

    Thank goodness, the Red Sox won.  I'm sure Peavy will not do such a thing during the playoffs.  LOL

     

     
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    Re: Todd Helton: Red Sox show 'ultimate class'

    no problem with it....only because:  outcome of game.

    tipping off FB is huge though as he only throws ~50% FB's.....

     
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    It's great that the Sox showed Helton much deserved respect in his last home game,but if what I read is true,I have a problem with that.

    http://www.csnne.com/blog/red-sox-talk/helton-red-sox-show-ultimate-class?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

     

    Rockies shortstop Troy Tulowitzki told reporters that Red Sox starter Jake Peavy had informed Helton before the game: "I'm going to throw you all [fastballs]." It was a fastball that Helton hit for a home run in the second inning.

    "I think Peavy just did me a favor," Helton said. "He's a good dude, and he probably just helped me out right there."



    I find that incredibly hard to believe. Peavy is too much of a competitor to announce to any hitter what he is going to throw, regardless of the circumstances. I think Peavy knows very well how valuable HFA is to the team he belongs to and places a higher value on it than ceremony. TT was kidding, I am quite sure.

     
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    Not.  A.  Story.

             
     
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    Maybe if we have a 5 run lead in mid innings, OK - sure fine.  Or if we already clinched Home Field for Oct........but this was not right at all.  Peavy is lucky we won.

     


    Yeah, Peavey is probably worried that you might start calling him names, if he'd lost...

     

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    Not.  A.  Story.

     

     That wont stop some from overreacting.

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    It's called a fix. Nice job, Peavy.

    Exhibit "A".

     

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    Re: Todd Helton: Red Sox show 'ultimate class'

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    It's great that the Sox showed Helton much deserved respect in his last home game,but if what I read is true,I have a problem with that.

    http://www.csnne.com/blog/red-sox-talk/helton-red-sox-show-ultimate-class?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

     

    Rockies shortstop Troy Tulowitzki told reporters that Red Sox starter Jake Peavy had informed Helton before the game: "I'm going to throw you all [fastballs]." It was a fastball that Helton hit for a home run in the second inning.

    "I think Peavy just did me a favor," Helton said. "He's a good dude, and he probably just helped me out right there."

     



    I find that incredibly hard to believe. Peavy is too much of a competitor to announce to any hitter what he is going to throw, regardless of the circumstances. I think Peavy knows very well how valuable HFA is to the team he belongs to and places a higher value on it than ceremony. TT was kidding, I am quite sure.

     




    Exactly. Tulo was kidding, but the ignorant will whine like little mental midgets do, well before they find out the truth.  

     
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    Re: Todd Helton: Red Sox show 'ultimate class'

    If Peavy grooved one for Helton, that is not too good. This was a meaningful game for the Sox. Peavy is not all that good to begin with. He can't afford to give away anything. Sure , it didn't have an effect on the outcome, but it could have.  This should not be laughed off.

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    I can almost see Peavy saying that.... tongue in cheek.  Then when Helton hits a FB out it what he said gets jumped on.  Get real, folks.  No ML pitcher is going to tell any hitter that in seriousness, and most certainly not a warrior like Peavy.

    Also, IF it happened...

    I think my bigger problem is with Tulowitzki taking it to the press.  What was that supposed to accomplish??  And is this a guy you want on your team, one who runs to the press with what happens in the locker room??

    IF it happened...

    someone didn't show much class, and that someone's name has a "z" in it. 

    Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

     
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    It just tells you how confident Peavy was.  

     
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    If Peavy grooved one for Helton, that is not too good. This was a meaningful game for the Sox. Peavy is not all that good to begin with. He can't afford to give away anything. Sure , it didn't have an effect on the outcome, but it could have.  This should not be laughed off.

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     



    Peavy is a former cy young winner who was in the running last year as well. He also has a pretty good whip. He does tend to give up a few bombs especially to left handed hitters but they're typically solo blasts. Not all that good he says. 

     

     
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    Re: Todd Helton: Red Sox show 'ultimate class'

    This HAS happened before


    2002 All Star Game

    Curt Schilling

    vs

    Alex Rodriguez

    You don't remember?

    CS walked toward the plate while AR was walking up the box

    CS was telling AR he was going to throw him nothing but FB's


    AR looked perplexed and then annoyed

    CS said my best vs your best

    CS pumped 4 or 5 FB's

    And AR K'd

    CLASSIC


    it does happen

    just not in a game that counts.........

     
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    Re: Todd Helton: Red Sox show 'ultimate class'

    If JP tipped off/intentionally grooved one to Helton, sure, it is against the code of competition and risky, given the Sox fight for homefield.

    But, let us weigh the risk vs. what he was trying to accomplish:  

    giving one of the great (and underrated) players, the Rockie of all Rockies, and also one of Peavey's biggest career foes, and the Rockie fans a pricesless send-off memory from his last game.  This was a great moment.

    vs.

    the risk of losing the game.  Well, it was 3-0 with no one on base in the early innings.  If there was a time to do this, that was it.  Risky? OK, sure, but ... to me, not really that heavy of a risk.

    Not heavy risk vs. awesome reward for fans/Helton/The Game of Baseball

    Well done Jake Peavey.  A true competitor honoring a long-time foe. 

     

             
     
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    If Peavy grooved one for Helton, that is not too good. This was a meaningful game for the Sox. Peavy is not all that good to begin with. He can't afford to give away anything. Sure , it didn't have an effect on the outcome, but it could have.  This should not be laughed off.

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     



    Peavy is a former cy young winner who was in the running last year as well. He also has a pretty good whip. He does tend to give up a few bombs especially to left handed hitters but they're typically solo blasts. Not all that good he says. 

     




    A 4.17 ERA says that he is not all that good. The past is the past. He is not what he used to be.

     
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    If Peavy grooved one for Helton, that is not too good. This was a meaningful game for the Sox. Peavy is not all that good to begin with. He can't afford to give away anything. Sure , it didn't have an effect on the outcome, but it could have.  This should not be laughed off.

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     



    Peavy is a former cy young winner who was in the running last year as well. He also has a pretty good whip. He does tend to give up a few bombs especially to left handed hitters but they're typically solo blasts. Not all that good he says. 

     

     

     




    A 4.17 ERA says that he is not all that good. The past is the past. He is not what he used to be.

     

     

     



    And context is everything.  You can look at a 4.17 ERA and make conclusions.  Or, you can recall that he was coming off major injury and was working himself back into form before the trade.  And, consider that pre-injury 2012, he had a 3.37 ERA and a WHIP under 1.1.  More significant in my mind than a 4.17 ERA for the year is:  With the Red Sox, he is 4-1 in the middle of a stretch run. And, a 4.0whatever it is ERA pitching predominantly against AL East competition?  Weight it or don't, but I certainly do.  

     

    No, Peavey is not the CY Young winner of the mid-naughts.  But, he is still a good pitcher.  And if the stats don't tell you that, have you really watched him pitch with the Sox and come to the conclusion that he is not good?  Not what he was?  OK.  No, he isn't.  But, based on tangible, visible evidence from his short tenure thus far with the Sox, I conclude that he has planty left in the tank, and I feel confident when he gets the ball every five, and I will feel confident when he gets the ball in the playoffs.

     
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