Tony Lee @ NESN: Lowrie Not The Starting SS

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    [QUOTE]same as last time 791's place
    Posted by tom-uk[/QUOTE]

    Ok, baseball-reference confirmed it.  So then what's the difference between a fangraphs "play" and a chance?  Lowrie has more assists (ESPN, BR) than plays (FG).
     
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    Also, Scutaro's Fpct since joining the Sox is actually .964 at SS.
     
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    Re: Tony Lee @ NESN: Lowrie Not The Starting SS

    Career numbers as of 4/17/2011:

    JB, other than 2008, those numbers have never included a full everday playing season. Big difference in getting frequent tired days off and only playing a couple of months at the end of the season or a few weeks at the beginning.

    When Lowrie crashes against the wall, it will be a hard crash. The gigantic swing will become familiar to other teams and will also suffer if he plays everyday. Lowrie's under the radar, without much of a book from opposing teams.

    That said, the career numbers v. RHP aren't good enough to warranted making Lowrie the everday SS. The role he is in is the right one. Scutaro, also a 2nd bagger, is a better defender than Lowrie.
     
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    [QUOTE]Career numbers as of 4/17/2011: JB, other than 2008, those numbers have never included a full everday playing season. Big difference in getting frequent tired days off and only playing a couple of months at the end of the season or a few weeks at the beginning. When Lowrie crashes against the wall, it will be a hard crash. The gigantic swing will become familiar to other teams and will also suffer if he plays everyday. Lowrie's under the radar, without much of a book from opposing teams. That said, the career numbers v. RHP aren't good enough to warranted making Lowrie the everday SS. The role he is in is the right one. Scutaro, also a 2nd bagger, is a better defender than Lowrie.
    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]

    And Scutaro's numbers vs RHP's are good enough to make him the everyday option (when they're lower)?

    Could you please explain exactly what you mean by frequent tired days?  I'm sure you don't mean the days off that he received right after coming back from Mono.  What is your take on the frequent days off that Scutaro has had throughout his career since prior to 2008 he had only played 137 games once (2004) with his next most active season coming in at 118 games?  Since 2008 he has played in 145, 144, and 150 games with the Sox saying that he was over used last year.  How many games off do you consider to be too many?

    We don't disagree that he will come back down to Earth from his torrid start, the only difference of opinion is how far down he'll come and if that's better than what Scutaro will provide.  Shouldn't he play everyday until he hits that wall though?

    I also think that Lowrie could be an average 3B defensively, which Scutaro can no longer do, given his arm issues.
     
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    Lowrie will never be an everage everday 3rd baseman defensively. His release is slow and his arm strength is weak for a 3rd baseman.

    Given the fact that Scutaro is a better defender at SS and has everday season long career numbers that are just as good as Lowrie, and given the fact that Lowrie is a like china, he should continue in the role he's in.

    At the end of the day, if Lowrie couuld ever hold up for a full season grind, his numbers v. RHP career will be well below Scutaro.
     
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    Look!

    Forget about all the arguing back & forth with BaseballGM........ You're not gonna win an argument with someone who will NEVER concede a point, to matter how trivial or subjective.

    I dare say most of us SEE CLEARLY with our eyes who should be the everyday SS....... dispite statistics that can be massaged to say whatever you want them to say........

    BTW.... Who said?  "There's lies, damn lies, & statistics."  :)

    Does anybody really need a reporter to help justify why they BELIEVE one guy should start as opposed to another???? 

    Give up arguing with the guy.  Who gives a rip what he thinks!  No offense intended baseballGM!  Really :)
     
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    Re: Tony Lee @ NESN: Lowrie Not The Starting SS

    Obviously Tony Lee doesn't know what he is talking about.
     
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    In Response to Re: Tony Lee @ NESN: Lowrie Not The Starting SS:
    [QUOTE]Look! Forget about all the arguing back & forth with BaseballGM........ You're not gonna win an argument with someone who will NEVER concede a point, to matter how trivial or subjective. I dare say most of us SEE CLEARLY with our eyes who should be the everyday SS....... dispite statistics that can be massaged to say whatever you want them to say........ BTW.... Who said?  "There's lies, damn lies, & statistics."  :) Does anybody really need a reporter to help justify why they BELIEVE one guy should start as opposed to another????  Give up arguing with the guy.  Who gives a rip what he thinks!  No offense intended baseballGM!  Really :)
    Posted by redsoxdirtdog[/QUOTE]

    I certainly don't expect there to be a "winner" of the argument.  People come on this board to discuss and debate.  It's something to pass the time.  I know he isn't going to change my opinion on Lowrie, and I'm sure I won't change his either.  His role on this board is contrarian and pot stirrer.  Without that the board would be fairly quite would it not?

     
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    Jed "I'm-Not-a-Starting-Shortstop-but-I-AM-the-MVP" Lowrie
     
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    JB-3,

    I totally get that JB-B. :)  I'm actually trying to subtly counter-provoke GM, all while trying to appear reasonable.

    shhhhhh!  Don't tell him though :)

    I love this!  :)
     
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    No takers on the "Lies, damned lies, & statistics" quote?????
     
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    Ahhhhh!   NO Googling!
     
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    Ohhhh BTW....... Nice homer Lowrie!!!!!  Ya think GM saw that????
     
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    [QUOTE]Lowrie will never be an everage everday 3rd baseman defensively. His release is slow and his arm strength is weak for a 3rd baseman. Given the fact that Scutaro is a better defender at SS and has everday season long career numbers that are just as good as Lowrie, and given the fact that Lowrie is a like china, he should continue in the role he's in. At the end of the day, if Lowrie couuld ever hold up for a full season grind, his numbers v. RHP career will be well below Scutaro.
    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]

    No.

    Scutaro did not become an everyday player until 2008 with the Blue Jays.

    From 2008 - 2010 he has a line of .275/.351/.385 in total.

    vs RHP: .276/.349/.378 - .727 (career .713)
    vs LHP: .274/.357/.404 - .761 (career .736)


    His career line as an everyday player against RHP's is in line with Lowrie's career mark, while his career line against LHP's is below Lowrie's (though we don't disagree that Lowrie should start against LHP's).  Over those 3 seasons he had 17, 18, and 12 games off (2-3 games per month on average in addition to scheduled off days), while he was certainly a starter, he got frequent tired days.

    Scutaro has shown what he can do, and has less mileage than other players at his age because of his utility background.  Lowrie has greater upside and more value to the club starting at SS based on his future role either on the team or as a trade chip.

    Until Lowrie cools down from this torrid start, he needs to be in the lineup everyday.  Once he cools down we take see where things stand.  Hopefully he will continue hitting RHP's well and the solution will become apparent.
     
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    Re: Tony Lee @ NESN: Lowrie Not The Starting SS

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    [QUOTE]Ohhhh BTW....... Nice homer Lowrie!!!!!  Ya think GM saw that????
    Posted by redsoxdirtdog[/QUOTE]

    Doesn't count, it was against a LHP Tongue out

    He is actually being reasonable enough to admit Lowrie should play against lefties.  Otherwise he couldn't later say that he wanted Lowrie to play.
     
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    No.

    Scutaro did not become an everyday player until 2008 with the Blue Jays.

    Yes, 2008, 2009, 2010 is 3 years everday.

    Lowrie isn't on any "torrid start" v. RHP. He's in the correct role he should be in.
     
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    [QUOTE]No. Scutaro did not become an everyday player until 2008 with the Blue Jays. Yes, 2008, 2009, 2010 is 3 years everday. Lowrie isn't on any "torrid start" v. RHP. He's in the correct role he should be in.
    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]

    A .929 OPS isn't torrid?  So you think that's how he will always hit RHP's?  Why is this even a debate then?

    .429/.500/.429   Yes they're singles, but they're a lot of singles.

    16 PA's vs RHP's
    21 PA's vs LHP's (not including 4/20/2011 game)
     
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    "Pop" his homers Tom-UK. Lowrie's done well in the role he was in last year and the role he's in this year. Changing it to everyday SS isn't a good idea.
     
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    [QUOTE]No. Scutaro did not become an everyday player until 2008 with the Blue Jays. Yes, 2008, 2009, 2010 is 3 years everday. Lowrie isn't on any "torrid start" v. RHP. He's in the correct role he should be in.
    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]

    Are you choosing to ignore that there's only a .008 difference in their OPS against RHP's?
     
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    Legendary Battle: Sam Fuld versus Jed Lowrie

    These days, if you're a fan of Major League Baseball and follow anyone on Twitter blogging about baseball, then you're surely aware of a legendary battle taking place amongst the hashtags.

    First out of the gates was the #LegendofSamFuld, dedicated to Tampa Bay Rays' outfielder Sam Fuld as he burst onto the baseball scene as a result of the Manny Ramirez retirement fiasco. A recent 12-game stretch of Fuld's produced these eye-opening stats: .420 BA (21/50), 6 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 5 RBI, 8 R, 7 SB, 3 BB, 3 K along with many defensive gems and a string of "legends" the likes that haven't been seen since Chuck Norris. Here's a sample of a few gems:
    • Sam Fuld eats Chick-Fil-A on Sundays.
    • Superman wears Sam Fuld pajamas.
    • Sam Fuld can divide by zero.
    • Honus Wagner bought a Sam Fuld rookie card at auction.
    One of the most memorable moments during Fuld's legendary ascent was in a game against the Boston Red Sox in which he only needed a single to complete hitting for the cycle and adding his name to the Rays' record books forever decided to stretch a ninth-inning single into a double and there was no turning back from his legendary status.

    While the Sam Fuld legend was growing, a new legend was being birthed in Boston for their own cult hero, Jed Lowrie, with the #LegendofJedLowrie hashtag. Lowrie is in the midst of his own eye-popping offensive assault over his last nine games: .531 BA (17/32), 2 2B, 3 HR, 11 RBI, 9 R, 0 SB, 1 BB, 5 K, spurring legends such as these:
    • Jed Lowrie doesn't have a shadow.
    • Unicorns drink Jed Lowrie's blood to stay hidden and magical.
    • Harry Caray has decided to come back to announce a game with
      Jed Lowrie playing
     
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    I haven't made any predictions that haven't held true. A little early to start popping the cork on your predicitons, don't you think Tom, UK? You have called Lowrie an AS SS, but you might need to worry about whether he ever makes it as an everday starter career SS, don't you think?

    How many career homers does Lowrie have?

    Anyone consider him to be a good defensive SS, besides yourself a few other giddy posters?

    Why do you think the Red Sox put him in the UIF role to start with, after last year?

    How many career everday SS seasons has Lowrie ever lasted?

    As for Hall, don't you think it's a little early to start talking about selling players?
    How much would the Red Sox eat to get rid of Crawford and Ellsbury's contracts, right now, Tom-UK?

    You might want to wait a little longer before popping your cork on an emotional favorite player of yours. Long way to go.
     
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    [QUOTE]Funny how when the media agrees with the clown, he posts it, but when they disagree, he bashes them as idiots.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    Par the course with Softflaw

    must be killing the coward hiding as BaseballGM that he can't call Jed 'Jedediah' or 'the stork' and Ellsbury 'Jake'

    The coward should just come clean, use the old pathetic nicknames for the players he despises, he is fooling nobody and posting the same narrow minded ignorant trash as the banned softlaw did... minus the obvious childish names.
     
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    "Pop" his homers ...

    Vinatge softy.

    How much would the Red Sox eat to get rid of ... Ellsbury's contracts, right now, Tom-UK?

    Proof that even as absurd as softy has been throughout the years, he surprisingly keeps outdoing himself.

    This is so absurd on so many levels, I don't know where to begn.

     
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    [QUOTE]Author's Note: Jed Lowrie is a lifetime .268 hitter
    Posted by BaseballGM[/QUOTE]


    Marco Scutaro is a career .266 hitter.
     
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    Re: Tony Lee @ NESN: Lowrie Not The Starting SS

    Softlaw predictions?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPNZ7v3UrCc&feature=related
     

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