Trade Bard?

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    Re: Trade Bard?

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    Bard's problems were most likely a reult of Bobby and the pitching staff's inability to coach. Give him another chance, especially if Farell is coming back.

    [/QUOTE]people are forgetting , bard's problems started around sept of last year. he had an awful finish to the season(like everyone else), so to blame this yrs. staff is simply incorrect.


     

     
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    Bard has little value right now. Id at least see if he can regain his velocity and become what he once was before even considering dealing him.

     

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    Part of his velocity drop was more about pacing himself as a starter.

     

    Bard certainly has trade value.  Teams trade for tools and raw ability all the time, and Bard has the raw ability to throw 100mph.

     

    Remember former Sox draftee Josh Neighborgall?  One of the most talented raw pitchers ever (with 2 pitches scouts graded at "80" on the 20-80 scale - fastball and slider).  He spent a few years rotting in the DBacks system and never learned to control a pitch, and never made the majors.   The Dbacks took offers on him all the time, but were too afraid to risk him breaking out anywhere else.

     

    Bottom line: there would be interet in Bard...

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    Then what happened from June onward when he was pitching out of the bullpen?

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    He spent half a season learning to rethrow his pitches and pace himself and you expect him to just flip a switch??!   I don't think you get how hard this is.

     

    He spent a lot of that time trying not to overthrow everything, as when pitchers do that it typically results in horrible control and pitches with little to no movement.  By chance do you recall what his results from June onward were like as a reliever?

     
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    Re: Trade Bard?

    Not going to get much for him, might as well hold on to him and hope he can regain is form.

     
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    Bard has little value right now. Id at least see if he can regain his velocity and become what he once was before even considering dealing him.

     

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    Part of his velocity drop was more about pacing himself as a starter.

     

    Bard certainly has trade value.  Teams trade for tools and raw ability all the time, and Bard has the raw ability to throw 100mph.

     

    Remember former Sox draftee Josh Neighborgall?  One of the most talented raw pitchers ever (with 2 pitches scouts graded at "80" on the 20-80 scale - fastball and slider).  He spent a few years rotting in the DBacks system and never learned to control a pitch, and never made the majors.   The Dbacks took offers on him all the time, but were too afraid to risk him breaking out anywhere else.

     

    Bottom line: there would be interet in Bard...

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    Then what happened from June onward when he was pitching out of the bullpen?

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    He spent half a season learning to rethrow his pitches and pace himself and you expect him to just flip a switch??!   I don't think you get how hard this is.

     

    He spent a lot of that time trying not to overthrow everything, as when pitchers do that it typically results in horrible control and pitches with little to no movement.  By chance do you recall what his results from June onward were like as a reliever?

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    notin - Actually, they are below. These are from Pawtucket:

    IP-32 H-31 ER- 25  BB-29 K-32 WHIP- 1.875  ERA- 7.03

    Good enough for you?

     
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    Re: Trade Bard?

    Absolutley everyone on this team ought to be on the trade block.  If you can get good value for any one of them, you do it.

    But that is the point, and Jasko made it first.  You don't succeed by trading your players at their lowest value.  Yes, a few times you hang on to a losing call, but that is a whole lot better than trading away Varitek and Lowe for Heathcliff Slocumb, just because Lowe's value was low and all Varitek had was potential.

     
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    Not going to get much for him, might as well hold on to him and hope he can regain is form.

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    Only an idiot GM would give us anything significant for Bard....wonder if the Cubs are interested.

     
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    That "Idiot" signed Big Papi off of the scrap pile. Were you a huge Papi fan before that?

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    It was a JOKE. Lighten up.

     
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    Bard has little value right now. Id at least see if he can regain his velocity and become what he once was before even considering dealing him.

     

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    Part of his velocity drop was more about pacing himself as a starter.

     

    Bard certainly has trade value.  Teams trade for tools and raw ability all the time, and Bard has the raw ability to throw 100mph.

     

    Remember former Sox draftee Josh Neighborgall?  One of the most talented raw pitchers ever (with 2 pitches scouts graded at "80" on the 20-80 scale - fastball and slider).  He spent a few years rotting in the DBacks system and never learned to control a pitch, and never made the majors.   The Dbacks took offers on him all the time, but were too afraid to risk him breaking out anywhere else.

     

    Bottom line: there would be interet in Bard...

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    Then what happened from June onward when he was pitching out of the bullpen?

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    He spent half a season learning to rethrow his pitches and pace himself and you expect him to just flip a switch??!   I don't think you get how hard this is.

     

    He spent a lot of that time trying not to overthrow everything, as when pitchers do that it typically results in horrible control and pitches with little to no movement.  By chance do you recall what his results from June onward were like as a reliever?

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    notin - Actually, they are below. These are from Pawtucket:

    IP-32 H-31 ER- 25  BB-29 K-32 WHIP- 1.875  ERA- 7.03

    Good enough for you?

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    <sigh>

     

    If you look a those numbers, you see serious evidence of classic overthrowing.  High BB totals, high K rate (9K/9  - which by the way is tricky to maintain with reduced velocity).  Also, high HBP totals from having completely lost mechanics - which you did not report.

     

    Bard spent all spring trying to throw 92mph fastball, and when he went back to Pawtucket, he was in a role where he could throw 98mph again without having his arm fall off.  Pitchers dont just rear back and hit 98mph again, at least not all of them.

     

    In a small sample size, you saw the same stuff from Franklin Morales when he returned to the pen last August.  He was all over the place, too, and he didn't even have an entire offseason to prepare for the new role...

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: Trade Bard?

    In response to notin's comment:
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    Bard has little value right now. Id at least see if he can regain his velocity and become what he once was before even considering dealing him.

     

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    Part of his velocity drop was more about pacing himself as a starter.

     

    Bard certainly has trade value.  Teams trade for tools and raw ability all the time, and Bard has the raw ability to throw 100mph.

     

    Remember former Sox draftee Josh Neighborgall?  One of the most talented raw pitchers ever (with 2 pitches scouts graded at "80" on the 20-80 scale - fastball and slider).  He spent a few years rotting in the DBacks system and never learned to control a pitch, and never made the majors.   The Dbacks took offers on him all the time, but were too afraid to risk him breaking out anywhere else.

     

    Bottom line: there would be interet in Bard...

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    I didnt say he had no value, but if he could gain his velocity back, which he hasnt even after they switched him back to the pen, He would be a great trade chip or very valuable to our pen.

    All Im saying is he would have more value when he actually does get his velocity back

    Now, if someone made an offer I couldnt refuse then OK, but Im not giving Bard away for farm scraps or utility guys. Id have to get something significant back. And No, not for Farrell either...

     
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    Re: Trade Bard?

    In response to candre99's comment:
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    In response to jackbu's comment:
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    Bard's problems were most likely a reult of Bobby and the pitching staff's inability to coach. Give him another chance, especially if Farell is coming back.

    [/QUOTE]people are forgetting , bard's problems started around sept of last year. he had an awful finish to the season(like everyone else), so to blame this yrs. staff is simply incorrect.


     

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    IMO, He suffered in september from being over used and was worn down with 73IP...There are regular relievers in the playoffs who have only 60IP. 73 is a lot. He still had a .096 WHIP and a 3.30ERA with 34Holds.

    Starting Setember 7th he started having trouble. He went into that game with a 2.10 ERA.

     

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