Trade for Justin Ruggiano?

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    Trade for Justin Ruggiano?

    Fish are looking for a trade partner..He fits the bill for what we need. Hes arb number looks to be about 1.8M for 2014. He does very well in a platoon role. hes played most of his games in CF, but can play all OF positions. is a RHH with some pop (18HR in 128games last year/ 13 in 91games in 2012).

     
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    Fish are looking for a trade partner..He fits the bill for what we need. Hes arb number looks to be about 1.8M for 2014. He does very well in a platoon role. hes played most of his games in CF, but can play all OF positions. is a RHH with some pop (18HR in 128games last year/ 13 in 91games in 2012).

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    For what we need??? Are you sure?  Nava ,Gomes, Carp ..... Are you sure?

     
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    Fish are looking for a trade partner..He fits the bill for what we need. Hes arb number looks to be about 1.8M for 2014. He does very well in a platoon role. hes played most of his games in CF, but can play all OF positions. is a RHH with some pop (18HR in 128games last year/ 13 in 91games in 2012).

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    For what we need??? Are you sure?  Nava ,Gomes, Carp ..... Are you sure?

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    Im thinking of more a platoon/insurance RHH to play CF with JBJ. Gomes, Carp, Nava are NOT CF'ers. JR can also play other OF positions if needed, but mainly to be a compliment to JBJ. Also insurance incase he struggles.

     
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    Fish are looking for a trade partner..He fits the bill for what we need. Hes arb number looks to be about 1.8M for 2014. He does very well in a platoon role. hes played most of his games in CF, but can play all OF positions. is a RHH with some pop (18HR in 128games last year/ 13 in 91games in 2012).

    [/QUOTE]Interesting..... Could take Carps place.......   How old is he ??


     
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    Fish are looking for a trade partner..He fits the bill for what we need. Hes arb number looks to be about 1.8M for 2014. He does very well in a platoon role. hes played most of his games in CF, but can play all OF positions. is a RHH with some pop (18HR in 128games last year/ 13 in 91games in 2012).

    [/QUOTE]Interesting..... Could take Carps place.......   How old is he ??


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    31, and still arb eligible for a couple years, so hes an inexpensive RH option in CF. We dont need to make a big splash. Just a complimentary pieces to go with what we have out there. We might have to trade one of our guys though to make room.

     
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    Fish are looking for a trade partner..He fits the bill for what we need. Hes arb number looks to be about 1.8M for 2014. He does very well in a platoon role. hes played most of his games in CF, but can play all OF positions. is a RHH with some pop (18HR in 128games last year/ 13 in 91games in 2012).

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    He is just like carp or Gomes or Nava who can play many positions.  Why the world Boston need another player like him??

    Boston is more likely going to trade for an every day player who can play in the same spot in all year along such as  CF or SS!!

     
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    We really don't have find CF to platoon with JBJ if needed.  We have Shane Victorino.  If JBJ needs to sit against lefty, Shane can move to CF and Nava or that platoon to RF.  This is why Cherington chose Victorino.  Flexibility in OF because of Vic's ability to play all OF.  If Ben decides it won't hurt to have a RHH platoon for JBJ, he can go out there and pick any RHH OFer who can at least play the OF.  But I don't think Ruggiano can be all that dependable either.  Luggiano has power against lefties (.506 SLG) but his BA against LHP is not that convincing (.256)

    I think Drew Stubbs could make sense.  Indians have surplus in OF.  Drew could be RHH platoon.  Has speed and some pops.  career line vs LHP .274/.349/.796

     
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    Fish are looking for a trade partner..He fits the bill for what we need. Hes arb number looks to be about 1.8M for 2014. He does very well in a platoon role. hes played most of his games in CF, but can play all OF positions. is a RHH with some pop (18HR in 128games last year/ 13 in 91games in 2012).



    He is just like carp or Gomes or Nava who can play many positions.  Why the world Boston need another player like him??

    Boston is more likely going to trade for an every day player who can play in the same spot in all year along such as  CF or SS!!

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    Carp, Nava and Gomes are NOT CF'ers...JR is.

    Do you feel good about either one of those guys taking over in CF if JBJ has issues? I dont. Im also not moving my GG RF'er off position. Vic had some issues when he did play CF last year.

    Ruggiano has a career .834OPS vs LHP and can play a solid CF.

     
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    I love the idea of a trade like this.  Justin has a bit of pop in his bat, can add to the position here we have the leaste amount of depth.  After JBJ... we have zero CF options besides Victorino

    http://soxprospects.com/org.htm

    Posi. Center Fielders Level 40 R5 CF/LF Jackie Bradley L MLB ●   CF Shannon Wilkerson AAA   ● CF/RF Henry Ramos ƅ A+     CF/RF Cody Koback A+     CF/LF/RF Felix Sanchez ƅ A+   ●

     

    What would the fish want for him and where were you seeing him rumored to be available?

     
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    Fish are looking for a trade partner..He fits the bill for what we need. Hes arb number looks to be about 1.8M for 2014. He does very well in a platoon role. hes played most of his games in CF, but can play all OF positions. is a RHH with some pop (18HR in 128games last year/ 13 in 91games in 2012).

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    For what we need??? Are you sure?  Nava ,Gomes, Carp ..... Are you sure?

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    Im thinking of more a platoon/insurance RHH to play CF with JBJ. Gomes, Carp, Nava are NOT CF'ers. JR can also play other OF positions if needed, but mainly to be a compliment to JBJ. Also insurance incase he struggles.

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    I can't agree with you any more.  In looking over the depth charts today, it became very clear that we lack sufficient depth at center and to a lesser extent right field.  Right field we can certainly fill in with Nava, Castallanos, Hassan and left field we have depth all day long... but as for a guy with MLB experience who can play CF or RF well defensively... we don't have that guy.

     

     
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    If JBJ sucks raw eggs Victorino moves from RF to CF as it stands right now. Would Ruggiano be a good acquisition? Yes but so would Gutierrez or Stubbs and I'm sure their are other RHCF's that I'm not even considering. Wilkerson is another CF we already have and I believe Castellanos can play all 3 OF positions as well as 2B and 3B. I would like to see how Betts would look in CF, also we have Margot down in the lower levels. However with all the above being considered equall IK'm sure BC is looking at all options. Heck for all we know he's working on a contract for Choo as we speak!

     
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    Fish are looking for a trade partner..He fits the bill for what we need. Hes arb number looks to be about 1.8M for 2014. He does very well in a platoon role. hes played most of his games in CF, but can play all OF positions. is a RHH with some pop (18HR in 128games last year/ 13 in 91games in 2012).

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    For what we need??? Are you sure?  Nava ,Gomes, Carp ..... Are you sure?

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    Im thinking of more a platoon/insurance RHH to play CF with JBJ. Gomes, Carp, Nava are NOT CF'ers. JR can also play other OF positions if needed, but mainly to be a compliment to JBJ. Also insurance incase he struggles.

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    So you want 3 platoon/insurance outfielders

     
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    Fish are looking for a trade partner..He fits the bill for what we need. Hes arb number looks to be about 1.8M for 2014. He does very well in a platoon role. hes played most of his games in CF, but can play all OF positions. is a RHH with some pop (18HR in 128games last year/ 13 in 91games in 2012).


    For what we need??? Are you sure?  Nava ,Gomes, Carp ..... Are you sure?

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    Im thinking of more a platoon/insurance RHH to play CF with JBJ. Gomes, Carp, Nava are NOT CF'ers. JR can also play other OF positions if needed, but mainly to be a compliment to JBJ. Also insurance incase he struggles.

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    So you want 3 platoon/insurance outfielders

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    I would be happy to just have some minor league depth at the higher levels that can perform as a replacement level player and we don't even have that right now.  I am talking about minor moves or signings for players in AA or AAA.  A guy who can step right in like Ruggiano on the big club is a bonus in my mind... but we at least need some more depth in the minors at the high levels if nothing else.

     
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    Re: Trade for Justin Ruggiano?

    We really don't have find CF to platoon with JBJ if needed.  We have Shane Victorino.  If JBJ needs to sit against lefty, Shane can move to CF and Nava or that platoon to RF.

     

    We should avoid Nava in RF.

    We should avoid adding stress to Victorino by moving him to CF.

    Ruggiano plays a decent CF, and hits lefties over .800. He's also over .700 vs RHPs, so if JBJ really struggles, he can play FT at a decent level. It's better than Shane in CF, Nava in RF vs LHPs and Gomes or Carp in LF vs RHPs. That defense is terrible.

     

     
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    We really don't have find CF to platoon with JBJ if needed.  We have Shane Victorino.  If JBJ needs to sit against lefty, Shane can move to CF and Nava or that platoon to RF.

     

    We should avoid Nava in RF.

    We should avoid adding stress to Victorino by moving him to CF.

    Ruggiano plays a decent CF, and hits lefties over .800. He's also over .700 vs RHPs, so if JBJ really struggles, he can play FT at a decent level. It's better than Shane in CF, Nava in RF vs LHPs and Gomes or Carp in LF vs RHPs. That defense is terrible.

     

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    Fish are looking for a trade partner..He fits the bill for what we need. Hes arb number looks to be about 1.8M for 2014. He does very well in a platoon role. hes played most of his games in CF, but can play all OF positions. is a RHH with some pop (18HR in 128games last year/ 13 in 91games in 2012).

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    He has some pop southpaw but not much of an OBP.

     
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    Im thinking of more a platoon/insurance RHH to play CF with JBJ. Gomes, Carp, Nava are NOT CF'ers. JR can also play other OF positions if needed, but mainly to be a compliment to JBJ. Also insurance incase he struggles.

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    So you want 3 platoon/insurance outfielders

     

    If we pick up Ruggiano, then Gomes should go. It might end up being Carp, but one would have to go.

    If Gomes goes:

       vs RHPs    vs LHPs

    LF  Nava    Carp

    CF  JBJ     Ruggiano

    RF       Victorino

     

    If Carp goes:

    LF Nava   Gomes

    CF JBJ   Ruggiano

    RF    Victorino 

     

    Victorino can rest vs some RHPs and Ruggiano can play RF better than Nava as JBj plays some vs RH'd starters.

    To me, this is clearly a better set-up than juggling Shane and Nava all over the place.

     
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    Im thinking of more a platoon/insurance RHH to play CF with JBJ. Gomes, Carp, Nava are NOT CF'ers. JR can also play other OF positions if needed, but mainly to be a compliment to JBJ. Also insurance incase he struggles.

     



    So you want 3 platoon/insurance outfielders

     

     

    If we pick up Ruggiano, then Gomes should go. It might end up being Carp, but one would have to go.

    If Gomes goes:

       vs RHPs    vs LHPs

    LF  Nava    Carp Ruggiano

    CF  JBJ     Ruggiano

    RF       Victorino Ruggiano

    If Victorino Carp goes:

    LF Nava   Gomes Ruggiano

    CF JBJ   Ruggiano

    RF    Victorino Ruggiano

     

    Victorino can rest vs some RHPs and Ruggiano can play RF better than Nava as JBj plays some vs RH'd starters.

    To me, this is clearly a better set-up than juggling Shane and Nava all over the place.

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    Ruggiano is an above average defensive outfielder who can play all three spots above average.  I think he is the perfect guy to get.  We have the spare pieces and the 40 man crunch that would have us benefit from a trade like this. 

    I would think however that if the fish are trying to shed $1.8 million... then they would not be interested in getting Gomes back.  Reality is that they would want Carp as a budget guy to give them some power in the lineup. 

    If they would agree to take some of our other spare parts that are clogging up the 40 man roster right now, then great... but I think they would insist on Carp.  Guys clogging up the 40 man are: Stephen Wright, Dan Butler, Villareal, Castellanos

    A three team trade would work very well as we could shed some payroll with Gomes or Dempster... but speculation about a direct trade is hard enough... can't think too deeply about a three team trade.

     
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    Fish are looking for a trade partner..He fits the bill for what we need. Hes arb number looks to be about 1.8M for 2014. He does very well in a platoon role. hes played most of his games in CF, but can play all OF positions. is a RHH with some pop (18HR in 128games last year/ 13 in 91games in 2012).

     



    He has some pop southpaw but not much of an OBP.

     




    Hes a platoon guy that can play ft if needed. Not everyone is going to have a 360OBP. JR had a .374OBP in 2012. (hes better in a pt role) he has a lifetime .834OPS vs LHP. Thats pretty darn good.

    Nava and Carp are redundant. Both are basically LF/1b who are LHH (Nava is stronger from the left side) Ruggiano is a RHH that can play ALL OF positions. if we get him, which we need, then someone like Carp or Nava would have to go. Gomes will be gone after next year and Ruggiano would be a good player to have because of his versatility.

     
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    Im thinking of more a platoon/insurance RHH to play CF with JBJ. Gomes, Carp, Nava are NOT CF'ers. JR can also play other OF positions if needed, but mainly to be a compliment to JBJ. Also insurance incase he struggles.

     



    So you want 3 platoon/insurance outfielders

     

     

    If we pick up Ruggiano, then Gomes should go. It might end up being Carp, but one would have to go.

    If Gomes goes:

       vs RHPs    vs LHPs

    LF  Nava    Carp Ruggiano

    CF  JBJ     Ruggiano

    RF       Victorino Ruggiano

    If Victorino Carp goes:

    LF Nava   Gomes Ruggiano

    CF JBJ   Ruggiano

    RF    Victorino Ruggiano

     

    Victorino can rest vs some RHPs and Ruggiano can play RF better than Nava as JBj plays some vs RH'd starters.

    To me, this is clearly a better set-up than juggling Shane and Nava all over the place.

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    Ruggiano is an above average defensive outfielder who can play all three spots above average.  I think he is the perfect guy to get.  We have the spare pieces and the 40 man crunch that would have us benefit from a trade like this. 

    I would think however that if the fish are trying to shed $1.8 million... then they would not be interested in getting Gomes back.  Reality is that they would want Carp as a budget guy to give them some power in the lineup. 

    If they would agree to take some of our other spare parts that are clogging up the 40 man roster right now, then great... but I think they would insist on Carp.  Guys clogging up the 40 man are: Stephen Wright, Dan Butler, Villareal, Castellanos

    A three team trade would work very well as we could shed some payroll with Gomes or Dempster... but speculation about a direct trade is hard enough... can't think too deeply about a three team trade.

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    Yes, a three team deal would probably increase the odds of us getting Ruggiano, or we just trade blocked prospects for him and make seperate deals with Carp or Gomes and maybe Dempster.

    Since the Marlins signed garret Jones, they probably don't want Carp all that much, and Gomes is too high-priced, although we could eat some of his contract.

     

     
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    Re: Trade for Justin Ruggiano?

    The Marlins want a 3rd baseman 

     
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    The Marlins want a 3rd baseman 

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    They arent going to get a lot for Ruggiano regardless who deals for him.

     
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    Fish are looking for a trade partner..He fits the bill for what we need. Hes arb number looks to be about 1.8M for 2014. He does very well in a platoon role. hes played most of his games in CF, but can play all OF positions. is a RHH with some pop (18HR in 128games last year/ 13 in 91games in 2012).

     



    He has some pop southpaw but not much of an OBP.

     




    Hes a platoon guy that can play ftif needed. Not everyone is going to have a 360OBP. he has an .834OPS vs LHP. Thats pretty darn good.

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    Ruggiano's OBP took a hit mainly due to a drop in average due to an expanded role beyond a platoon guy / 4th outfielder.  He only hit 222 last year, but hit 313 with a 374 OBP the year before.  He is the outfield equivalent to Mike Carp IMO and is why they would match up well as trade partners.  We also have Nava who can backup first base as we saw last year as well as Big Papi if we really needed.  We don't have anyone to backup Victorino and Bradley besides each player switching places... but we need a third guy on the rotation to make that happen.

    Say if Victorino needs a day off and Bradley slides over to right... we honestly don't have a single CF on the roster right now that can get that job done.  I have been very much against dropping Carp, but this is the type of deal where we would get a comparible hitter back that fits a very real need on a budget.

    Steamer and Oliver projections have him between the two performance

    Steamer 250 Avg, 318 OBP, 10 HR, 315 AB, 1.1 WAR

    Oliver 253 Avg, 330 OBP, 20 HR, 600 AB, 3.5 WAR

    Mike Carp

    Steamer 260 Avg, 329 OBP, 9 HR, 265 AB, 0.6 WAR

    Oliver 257 Avg, 329 OBP, 20 HR, 600 AB, 2.0 WAR

     

    If they are looking for a third baseman like Middlebrooks, they will have to sweeten the pot quite a bit.

     
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    Re: Trade for Justin Ruggiano?

    Ruggiano is an above average defensive outfielder who can play all three spots above average.\\

     

    I don't know enough about his defense, but his UZR/150 numbers look nice at the corner spots and about average in CF:

    632 innings in LF: +14.1

    1179 innings  CF:  -1.7 (but plus at +0.1 over the last 3 years combined)

    264 innings in RF: +8.7

     

    As for those not wanting 2 or more platoons in a line-up, it's not such a bad idea. It keeps the bench on its toes by playing them more often, and if someone gets hurt, the platoon guys is probably more ready than someone who has not played at all in weeks.

     
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