Ugly prospect numbers

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    Brought up too soon with much hype, or just not as good as some thought?  Regardless not a lot of personal or trade value at 3B, SS or CF at the moment so Ben has his work cut out for him and a lot of tough decisions to make in the off season.    


    Bogy,230 with below to average D at SS or 3B


    Middy, 188 with decent D


    JBJ, 211 with solid D


    Holt, 295 with below average every day D anywhere but the OF


    Betts, 244 above average OF D but not being given a good luck yet but may be the best of all


    Vasquez, 227 with good D with not enough AB's to judge


    Checchini & Lav Also not enough defense or power


     


     


     


     

     
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    I had a few to many vodka tonics last night and started in on an ugly prospect.

     
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    Brought up too soon with much hype, or just not as good as some thought?  Regardless not a lot of personal or trade value at 3B, SS or CF at the moment so Ben has his work cut out for him and a lot of tough decisions to make in the off season.    

     

    Bogy,230 with below to average D at SS or 3B

     

    Middy, 188 with decent D

     

    JBJ, 211 with solid D

     

    Holt, 295 with below average every day D anywhere but the OF

     

    Betts, 244 above average OF D but not being given a good luck yet but may be the best of all

     

    Vasquez, 227 with good D with not enough AB's to judge

     

    Checchini & Lav Also not enough defense or power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    The SOX FO may have been prospecting for gold, but I think they hit coal.

     
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    Brought up too soon with much hype, or just not as good as some thought?  Regardless not a lot of personal or trade value at 3B, SS or CF at the moment so Ben has his work cut out for him and a lot of tough decisions to make in the off season.    

     

    Bogy,230 with below to average D at SS or 3B

     

    Middy, 188 with decent D

     

    JBJ, 211 with solid D

     

    Holt, 295 with below average every day D anywhere but the OF

     

    Betts, 244 above average OF D but not being given a good luck yet but may be the best of all

     

    Vasquez, 227 with good D with not enough AB's to judge

     

    Checchini & Lav Also not enough defense or power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    The SOX FO may have been prospecting for gold, but I think they hit coal.

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    nothing more overrated than Sox prospects...Was Reddick the last decent guy we developed? And half the board here hates him because he's low OBP...

     
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    Brought up too soon with much hype, or just not as good as some thought?  Regardless not a lot of personal or trade value at 3B, SS or CF at the moment so Ben has his work cut out for him and a lot of tough decisions to make in the off season.    

     

    Bogy,230 with below to average D at SS or 3B

     

    Middy, 188 with decent D

     

    JBJ, 211 with solid D

     

    Holt, 295 with below average every day D anywhere but the OF

     

    Betts, 244 above average OF D but not being given a good luck yet but may be the best of all

     

    Vasquez, 227 with good D with not enough AB's to judge

     

    Checchini & Lav Also not enough defense or power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    The SOX FO may have been prospecting for gold, but I think they hit coal.

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    nothing more overrated than Sox prospects...Was Reddick the last decent guy we developed? And half the board here hates him because he's low OBP...

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    Reddick is low everything. career .242 with a 738 OPS.

     
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    Brought up too soon with much hype, or just not as good as some thought?  Regardless not a lot of personal or trade value at 3B, SS or CF at the moment so Ben has his work cut out for him and a lot of tough decisions to make in the off season.    

     

    Bogy,230 with below to average D at SS or 3B

     

    Middy, 188 with decent D

     

    JBJ, 211 with solid D

     

    Holt, 295 with below average every day D anywhere but the OF

     

    Betts, 244 above average OF D but not being given a good luck yet but may be the best of all

     

    Vasquez, 227 with good D with not enough AB's to judge

     

    Checchini & Lav Also not enough defense or power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    The SOX FO may have been prospecting for gold, but I think they hit coal.

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    nothing more overrated than Sox prospects...Was Reddick the last decent guy we developed? And half the board here hates him because he's low OBP...

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    Reddick is low everything. career .242 with a 738 OPS.

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    I don't think Reddick was any answer and still hope a few of these kids can become long term help to our cause.  I'm really hoping trading Iggy wasn't a huge mistake even though Peavy did help us out.  Iggy was such a great defender at SS and 3B so if he recovers from the injury and hits well enough for the next 10 plus years I would have to believe it was a major mistake.  I just don't feel any of these present kids are helping our cause in the trade market and we really need to upgrade further before competing again.

     
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    Brought up too soon with much hype, or just not as good as some thought?  Regardless not a lot of personal or trade value at 3B, SS or CF at the moment so Ben has his work cut out for him and a lot of tough decisions to make in the off season.    

     

    Bogy,230 with below to average D at SS or 3B

     

    Middy, 188 with decent D

     

    JBJ, 211 with solid D

     

    Holt, 295 with below average every day D anywhere but the OF

     

    Betts, 244 above average OF D but not being given a good luck yet but may be the best of all

     

    Vasquez, 227 with good D with not enough AB's to judge

     

    Checchini & Lav Also not enough defense or power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    The SOX FO may have been prospecting for gold, but I think they hit coal.

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    nothing more overrated than Sox prospects...Was Reddick the last decent guy we developed? And half the board here hates him because he's low OBP...

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    Reddick is low everything. career .242 with a 738 OPS.

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    [object HTMLDivElement].   It could just be a case of not admitting that you were wrong. Reddick has not exactly been a sensation, but he has had some good moments with the A's . Finished in the top twenty in MVP voting , had some injuries, but is now the starting rightfielder on one of the best teams in baseball.  Regrettably, Andrew Bailey contributed nothing at all to the Red Sox. The trade was not a push, no matter how you look at it. 

     
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    Brought up too soon with much hype, or just not as good as some thought?  Regardless not a lot of personal or trade value at 3B, SS or CF at the moment so Ben has his work cut out for him and a lot of tough decisions to make in the off season.    

     

    Bogy,230 with below to average D at SS or 3B

     

    Middy, 188 with decent D

     

    JBJ, 211 with solid D

     

    Holt, 295 with below average every day D anywhere but the OF

     

    Betts, 244 above average OF D but not being given a good luck yet but may be the best of all

     

    Vasquez, 227 with good D with not enough AB's to judge

     

    Checchini & Lav Also not enough defense or power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    The SOX FO may have been prospecting for gold, but I think they hit coal.

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    nothing more overrated than Sox prospects...Was Reddick the last decent guy we developed? And half the board here hates him because he's low OBP...

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    Brandon Moss has turned into a pretty good power guy.  Rizzo was a Sox prospect and he is pretty good.  Jed Lowrie was developed by the Sox and he is pretty good.  

     
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    Brought up too soon with much hype, or just not as good as some thought?  Regardless not a lot of personal or trade value at 3B, SS or CF at the moment so Ben has his work cut out for him and a lot of tough decisions to make in the off season.    

     

    Bogy,230 with below to average D at SS or 3B

     

    Middy, 188 with decent D

     

    JBJ, 211 with solid D

     

    Holt, 295 with below average every day D anywhere but the OF

     

    Betts, 244 above average OF D but not being given a good luck yet but may be the best of all

     

    Vasquez, 227 with good D with not enough AB's to judge

     

    Checchini & Lav Also not enough defense or power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    The SOX FO may have been prospecting for gold, but I think they hit coal.

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    nothing more overrated than Sox prospects...Was Reddick the last decent guy we developed? And half the board here hates him because he's low OBP...

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    Reddick is low everything. career .242 with a 738 OPS.

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    He'd be batting 6th in this current SOX lineup.

     
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    Brought up too soon with much hype, or just not as good as some thought?  Regardless not a lot of personal or trade value at 3B, SS or CF at the moment so Ben has his work cut out for him and a lot of tough decisions to make in the off season.    

     

    Bogy,230 with below to average D at SS or 3B 

     

    Tried to carry the team all by himself and fell into bad habits.  Off season rebuild.

     

    Middy, 188 with decent D

     

    Maybe is gone .... too bad.

     

    JBJ, 211 with solid D

     

    Solid?  Let's give the kid his due on D, ok?  He's very good if not great.

     

    Holt, 295 with below average every day D anywhere but the OF  

     I don't see how this is a failure in any fashion.  Without Holt, the Sox would be historically bad, in MLB terms.

     

    Betts, 244 above average OF D but not being given a good luck yet but may be the best of all

    You are feeling the same prospect magic here as we all did about these others ... because he hasn't failed you yet.   I think the idea is still valid ... but we may find out that you are right.  Prospects are prospects and very few make the junp to the bigs.

     

    Vasquez, 227 with good D with not enough AB's to judge

     

    Checchini & Lav Also not enough defense or power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Brought up too soon with much hype, or just not as good as some thought?  Regardless not a lot of personal or trade value at 3B, SS or CF at the moment so Ben has his work cut out for him and a lot of tough decisions to make in the off season.    

     

    Bogy,230 with below to average D at SS or 3B

     

    Middy, 188 with decent D

     

    JBJ, 211 with solid D

     

    Holt, 295 with below average every day D anywhere but the OF

     

    Betts, 244 above average OF D but not being given a good luck yet but may be the best of all

     

    Vasquez, 227 with good D with not enough AB's to judge

     

    Checchini & Lav Also not enough defense or power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    The SOX FO may have been prospecting for gold, but I think they hit coal.

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    nothing more overrated than Sox prospects...Was Reddick the last decent guy we developed? And half the board here hates him because he's low OBP...

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    Reddick is low everything. career .242 with a 738 OPS.

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    [object HTMLDivElement].   It could just be a case of not admitting that you were wrong. Reddick has not exactly been a sensation, but he has had some good moments with the A's . Finished in the top twenty in MVP voting , had some injuries, but is now the starting rightfielder on one of the best teams in baseball.  Regrettably, Andrew Bailey contributed nothing at all to the Red Sox. The trade was not a push, no matter how you look at it. 

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    I think it is time you admit you are wrong about Bailey trade. Until he was hurt he was the best reliever the Sox. Without him the Sox probably don't win the division last year. 

     
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    Nothing against Reddick, but it's funny how some posters treat him like the second coming when, other than the first half of 2012, he has not been anything special: .686 OPS last season, .738 this season, and he's been hurt...sounds like if he played for us, people would be calling him a bum.

    But I guess the grass is always greener...

     
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    Nothing against Reddick, but it's funny how some posters treat him like the second coming when, other than the first half of 2012, he has not been anything special: .686 OPS last season, .738 this season, and he's been hurt...sounds like if he played for us, people would be calling him a bum.

    But I guess the grass is always greener...

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    Personally I always liked Kalish more than Reddick.  Reddick had power and solid D but he had a huge hole in his swing, I thought he could work it out but was skeptical so I was sad to see him go.  I still think Kalish had more talent and potential, but he just couldn't stay healthy and that ultimately derailed his career. 

     
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    reddick stinks.

    that is all.....

     

    other names i have posted under:  none

     
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    Brought up too soon with much hype, or just not as good as some thought?  Regardless not a lot of personal or trade value at 3B, SS or CF at the moment so Ben has his work cut out for him and a lot of tough decisions to make in the off season.    

     

    Bogy,230 with below to average D at SS or 3B

     

    Middy, 188 with decent D

     

    JBJ, 211 with solid D

     

    Holt, 295 with below average every day D anywhere but the OF

     

    Betts, 244 above average OF D but not being given a good luck yet but may be the best of all

     

    Vasquez, 227 with good D with not enough AB's to judge

     

    Checchini & Lav Also not enough defense or power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    The SOX FO may have been prospecting for gold, but I think they hit coal.

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    nothing more overrated than Sox prospects...Was Reddick the last decent guy we developed? And half the board here hates him because he's low OBP...

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    Reddick is low everything. career .242 with a 738 OPS.

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    [object HTMLDivElement].   It could just be a case of not admitting that you were wrong. Reddick has not exactly been a sensation, but he has had some good moments with the A's . Finished in the top twenty in MVP voting , had some injuries, but is now the starting rightfielder on one of the best teams in baseball.  Regrettably, Andrew Bailey contributed nothing at all to the Red Sox. The trade was not a push, no matter how you look at it. 

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    I am not talking about the Bailey trade.  I am talking about Reddicks career numbers.

    .242 batting average 730 OPS. Those numbers are low.

     
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    Brought up too soon with much hype, or just not as good as some thought?  Regardless not a lot of personal or trade value at 3B, SS or CF at the moment so Ben has his work cut out for him and a lot of tough decisions to make in the off season.    

     

    Bogy,230 with below to average D at SS or 3B

     

    Middy, 188 with decent D

     

    JBJ, 211 with solid D

     

    Holt, 295 with below average every day D anywhere but the OF

     

    Betts, 244 above average OF D but not being given a good luck yet but may be the best of all

     

    Vasquez, 227 with good D with not enough AB's to judge

     

    Checchini & Lav Also not enough defense or power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    The SOX FO may have been prospecting for gold, but I think they hit coal.

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    nothing more overrated than Sox prospects...Was Reddick the last decent guy we developed? And half the board here hates him because he's low OBP...

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    Reddick is low everything. career .242 with a 738 OPS.

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    He'd be batting 6th in this current SOX lineup.

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    And?

     
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    And even though the numbers look ugly for the hitters I do believe there is room for improvement, especially in guys like Bogaerts and Betts.  Also the rookie pitchers have showed a lot of promise recently, as well as Holt all season long (yes he's struggled lately but he's still a .300 hitter) 

    So lets not act like it's all bad. 

     
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    Brought up too soon with much hype, or just not as good as some thought?  Regardless not a lot of personal or trade value at 3B, SS or CF at the moment so Ben has his work cut out for him and a lot of tough decisions to make in the off season.    

     

    Bogy,230 with below to average D at SS or 3B

     

    Middy, 188 with decent D

     

    JBJ, 211 with solid D

     

    Holt, 295 with below average every day D anywhere but the OF

     

    Betts, 244 above average OF D but not being given a good luck yet but may be the best of all

     

    Vasquez, 227 with good D with not enough AB's to judge

     

    Checchini & Lav Also not enough defense or power

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    I think most of those guys should be decent to very good MLB players. They will have to find an established power bat with a trade and Im sure the sox will pick a power bat prospect, if there is one, with a high pick next June. Other than a bat, they really need to go get Lester and Shields as a 1-2.

    Holt, Cecchini, Vasquez, Betts, JBJ, and Bogey should all be ok. only Bogaerts (IMHO) is untouchable from this group. Middy has no value right now, so hes probably here for a bit unless another team gets crazy.

    I still think the future is bright in Boston

     
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    A lot of teams would have missed out on a lot of All-Star players if they gave up on them as early in their careers as many fans want us to do with our kids. Fact.


     

     
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    Re: Ugly prospect numbers

    From a different angle...

    Holt: lead the team in BA, 3rd in OBP & SLG

    JBJ: the 12th best CF WAR in MLB helped by being 1st in defense (+18)

    Bogey: at least he convinced most of Sox nation he's not a plus fielder.

    de la Rosa: 2nd best Sox starter ERA (3.21)-- I know, he's not really a prospect.

    Workman: 3rd best Sox starter WHIP (1.261) and 4th best OPS against (.704) out of 14 Sox pitchers

    Webster and Ranaudo: both looked good their last start.

     

    A nice thing to ponder: de la Rosa, Kelly and Ranaudo have 9 quality starts out of 13 starts!

     

     

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    A lot of teams would have missed out on a lot of All-Star players if they gave up on them as early in their careers as many fans want us to do with our kids. Fact.


     


    FACT - ,not one of these current prospects would even get close enough o sniff an all-star game...there would have to be a serious re-alignment of their collective games to get there...right now they are not even good - not even average, just struggling...Xander has the best shot but given the high quality talent at his position, i highly doubt it..

     
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    Re: Ugly prospect numbers

    I'm not big on touting small sample sizes, but I like the last few games from some of our young pitchers:

                        IP/ER

    de la Rosa: 6.0/1 and 7.0/1

    Joe Kelly:  7.0/1

    Webster: 6.2/2

    Ranaudo: 6.0/2

    Hembree: 4.0/0 (in relief)

     

    Yes, I cherry-picked.

    Yes, I used small sample sizes to make a point.

    Yes, I have bashed other posters for doing the same.

     

    Sox4ever

     
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    Re: Ugly prospect numbers

    This team can develop pitchers but hitters are hard... Go figure. 

     
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