Ultimate Fact: Red Sox 6-1 when Miler Pitches

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    Well, it isn't just the ERA, but also the WHIP K/BB ratio and his murky past (control problems) you have to worry about.  That said, maybe sending Miller out there, all by itself, galvanizes the offense.  It's the opposite effect of sending Beckett out there--the hitters all figure that Beckett will win the game all by himself and maybe even DH for himself. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Well, it isn't just the ERA, but also the WHIP K/BB ratio and his murky past (control problems) you have to worry about.  That said, maybe sending Miller out there, all by itself, galvanizes the offense.  It's the opposite effect of sending Beckett out there--the hitters all figure that Beckett will win the game all by himself and maybe even DH for himself. 
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]

    He has shown some power in interleague play!
     
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    Baseball is a game of averages, and Miller's inneficienies will catch up with the Red Sox. The Red Sox are averaging 8.7 runs per game when he pitches.

    In addition, his past performance (Detroit and Florida) is confirming who he is.
    My guess is he's out of the rotation after Sunday (at the latest).

     
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        Why the double standard, Wake doesn't get a pass, or Miller is doing his job? You decide. IMO they are pretty much useless, any success is the product of offensive explosions when they pitch.
     
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    [QUOTE]Baseball is a game of averages, and Miller's inneficienies will catch up with the Red Sox. Good point. Get rid of Wastefield, too.
    Posted by billbyboy[/QUOTE]

    This is a great idea.  The Sox can simply forfeit every fourth and fifth game.
     
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    [QUOTE]His ERA doesn't matter. Red Sox winning % when Miller pitches is all that matters. He's young enough to be Wastefield's grandson. Go with Miller if the choice comes down to Miller or Wastefield.
    Posted by billbyboy[/QUOTE]
    Then you must agree with John Lackey, oh wait, you call  him slacky. nvm
     
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    What is an 'ultimate fact'?
     
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    The Red Sox are 9-4 in Wakefield starts, so I guess ERA doesn't matter there either.
     
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    [QUOTE]What is an 'ultimate fact'?
    Posted by SleeStack1[/QUOTE]



    It is a fact that--by sheer virtue of being mentioned by the great Softy himself--is somehow more ultimate than other facts.
     
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    Re: Ultimate Fact: Red Sox 6-1 when Miler Pitches

    And ...

    Wake averages about 6.1 IP per start.

    Miller averages under 5 IP per start.

     
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    That's why won-loss record is one of the last things that intelligent fans look at to judge a pitcher
     
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    Re: Ultimate Fact: Red Sox 6-1 when Miler Pitches

    Wake: 199-175  4.40 ERA  1.350 WHIP
    Miller:   19-27   5.80 ERA  1.751 WHIP

    "Players tend to revert back to career norms"  -  Softlaw.
     
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    Re: Ultimate Fact: Red Sox 6-1 when Miler Pitches

    Miller would be great out of the pen. Wake would stay in the lineup.
     
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    Re: Ultimate Fact: Red Sox 6-1 when Miler Pitches

    billbyboy,

    Take a look at the teams andrew miller has faced and you will understand why they are 6-1 when he pitches. It has hardly anything to do with how he has pitched. 
     
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    His ERA doesn't matter. Red Sox winning % when Miller pitches is all that matters. He's young enough to be Wastefield's grandson. Go with Miller if the choice comes down to Miller or Wastefield.

    Another major goalpost move. Now, ERA does not count after Miller's ERA skyrockets.

    By the way, the team's record with Wake is 9-4, yet this clown wants him not only benched, but DFA'd!

    Wastefield does have control problems, yes.

    This clown dosn't even bother to watch the games or look at the numbers:
    2011 BB/9

    1) Beckett  2.4
    2) Wake     2.7
    3) Lackey   2.8
    4) Lester    3.2
    5) Aceves  3.3
    6) Buch      4.3
    7) Weiland 4.5
    8) Dice-K    5.5
    9) Miller     6.2

    2010
    1) Wake     2.3
    2) Lackey  3.0
    3) Beckett  3.2
    4) Buch     3.5
    5) Lester   3.6
    6) Dice-K  4.3
    7) Miller    7.2  

    Put the 2 years together and nobody come close to Wake's team leading BB/9 number of 2.5.

    The clown absurdity never ends.


     
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    [QUOTE]His ERA doesn't matter. Red Sox winning % when Miller pitches is all that matters. He's young enough to be Wastefield's grandson. Go with Miller if the choice comes down to Miller or Wastefield.
    Posted by billbyboy[/QUOTE]

    Miller needs to locate his fastball and control the strike zone better before ever being a reliable starter. 
     
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    Re: Ultimate Fact: Red Sox 6-1 when Miler Pitches

    Fine to use either Wake or Miller Lite now ... but come playoffs, those are loses when either one pitches.  You can't expect the Sox to score a ton of runs against the cream of the crop in the playoffs ... different games entirely.   They need another starter IMO. 
     
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    [QUOTE]His ERA doesn't matter. Red Sox winning % when Miller pitches is all that matters. He's young enough to be Wastefield's grandson. Go with Miller if the choice comes down to Miller or Wastefield.
    Posted by billbyboy[/QUOTE]

    Ultimate Fact!: That is the crappiest fact I've ever heard.
     
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    In Response to Ultimate Fact: Red Sox 6-1 when Miler Pitches:
    [QUOTE]His ERA doesn't matter. Red Sox winning % when Miller pitches is all that matters. He's young enough to be Wastefield's grandson. Go with Miller if the choice comes down to Miller or Wastefield.
    Posted by billbyboy[/QUOTE]

    that isn't a choice unless you include 'none of the above.'

     
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    Re: Ultimate Fact: Red Sox 6-1 when Miler Pitches

    What 2 things do Baltimore, SD, KC, and Houston have in common?  They are last in their divisions and they have losses against Miller.

    5 of Miller's 6 wins are to teams in last place.  His other win came against Pittsburg.

    Against teams that aren't in last place, Miller has a 1-1 record.  Lets wait until Miller has had a few more starts against decent teams before handing him the Cy Young.
     
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    Re: Ultimate Fact: Red Sox 6-1 when Miler Pitches

    Winning % is all that matters?
     
    So, if a pitcher goes out for ten games, giving up ten runs a game, but the offense scores twelve runs a game, giving him a 100% win record, you think the guy giving up ten runs a game is GOOD? Really? Really? Undecided

    The main purpose of a pitcher is to not give up walks or hits. Which kinda means to me that WHIP is the most important stat. But, that's just me.... Cool

    JM
     
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    Re: Ultimate Fact: Red Sox 6-1 when Miler Pitches

    when clay gets back  miller does long relief...a good situation...wake should stay in the rotation - he is serviceable in that role

     
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