Unverified information and Anonymous sources

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    Its strange that all these terrible revelations are being revealed and yet not a single source for any of this has been completely verified. The players say that the information isn't completely correct yet still admit to wrong doing, the former manager said that the information isn't completely correct and the Owners have also said that the information isn't completely correct, yet lets all trust some Anonymous individual who doesn't even have the cohunes to reveal their identity while revealing all these illicit activities. Absolutely insane.
     
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    Exactly.

     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MJLi5_dyn0
     
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    its all coming from john tomase just like his source that the pats taped the rams in 01
     
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    "yet not a single source for any of this has been completely verified. "

    Lester admitted he and the others drank been in the clubhouse during games. That's good enough for me. 

    Beckett's former manager corrobated he'd had similar problems with Beckett in Florida and had to literally lock him out of the clubhouse. 

    Anonymous sourcing has a long and proud history going back to the exposure of Watergate. 

    Having said that, the key is to have a good anonymous source and then corrobate it with another. 

    I'm no Tamase fan but his work has been largely confirmed by other reporters and reports this time around. If he had gotten it wrong again, he would have been run out of town on a stick. 

    Having said that I thought Hohler from the Globe went too far in his Francona bashing from management sources, which were flatly denied by Francona.
     
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    Lets stop blame game! Sometimes not meant to be. Dice K down in May, Buchholz gone in June, Lester misses a month / Beckett 3 starts late and both not same pitchers after they return. How many teams can lose that many starters and still be in it at the end? Think starter problem led to bullpen problems late? Thank God offense was as good as it was or probably woukld have been out of it by Aug.
     
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    LMFAO...Are you kidding me? Team sources have confirmed the Ch.7 story to the Globe's Peter Abraham....TWO sources made the statements...TWO, not one....swallow hard all you pink hatters...this team is toast...the RS have a huge problem on their hands right now...LMFAO...the fan base is pizzed off  and the status quo on that team is completely unacceptable...take off the rose colored glasses and own the crap this team has done...the lack of leadership and failure to correct this collection of frat boys and gutless wonders letting it happen...From stem to stern this entire team let it happen and has to change the entire culture of the organization...Theo and Tito are as much to blame as the three amigos and the team captain, the chicken-like ballplayers, and the owners and sr. management as well.
     
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    the Red Sox issued a press release denying the explosive allegations. Former manager Terry Francona was included.

    “The accusation that we were drinking in the dugout during games is completely false,” Lester said. “Anonymous sources are continuing to provide exaggerated and, in this case, inaccurate information to the media.”

    The WHDH report described Beckett as the instigator of the drinking. Beckett has not replied to several requests for comment but did issue a statement through the team.

    “I cannot let this allegation go without response; enough is enough,” he said. “I admit that I made mistakes along the way this season, but this has gone too far. To say that we drank in the dugout during the game is not true.”

    Said Lackey: “There are things that went on this season that shouldn’t have happened, but this latest rumor is not true, and I felt that it was important to try to stop this from going any further.”



    Francona, who last month said poor team chemistry was a factor in the September collapse, said, “In 32 years of professional baseball, I have never seen someone drinking beer in the dugout.”

    The statement quoted team president Larry Lucchino as well.

    “Tonight our organization has heard directly from Jon, Josh, John, and former manager Terry Francona. Each has assured us that the allegation that surfaced today about drinking in the dugout during games in 2011 is false, and we accept their statements as honest and factual,” he said.

    “As we continue our internal examination to fully understand what went wrong in September, 2011, we appreciate these strong and clear statements from our players.

 It is time to look forward and move forward, rather than allow a reckless, unsubstantiated accusation from ‘anonymous sources’ to mislead the public.”

     
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    In Response to Unverified information and Anonymous sources:
    [QUOTE]Its strange that all these terrible revelations are being revealed and yet not a single source for any of this has been completely verified. The players say that the information isn't completely correct yet still admit to wrong doing, the former manager said that the information isn't completely correct and the Owners have also said that the information isn't completely correct, yet lets all trust some Anonymous individual who doesn't even have the cohunes to reveal their identity while revealing all these illicit activities. Absolutely insane.
    Posted by RSF4Life234[/QUOTE]

    Exactly.

     ... I know you said it first, Kim, but ... it's still exactly.


        Which would really mean that RSF4Life said it first ... which is exactly what happened.

       Right?
     
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    In Response to Re: Unverified information and Anonymous sources:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Unverified information and Anonymous sources : Exactly.  ... I know you said it first, Kim, but ... it's still exactly.     Which would really mean that RSF4Life said it first ... which is exactly what happened.    Right?
    Posted by SinceYaz[/QUOTE]

    Exactly. Smile
     
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    In Response to Re: Unverified information and Anonymous sources:
    [QUOTE]Lets stop blame game! Sometimes not meant to be. Dice K down in May, Buchholz gone in June, Lester misses a month / Beckett 3 starts late and both not same pitchers after they return. How many teams can lose that many starters and still be in it at the end? Think starter problem led to bullpen problems late? Thank God offense was as good as it was or probably woukld have been out of it by Aug.
    Posted by garyhow[/QUOTE]
    good post
     
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    This whole "sources" things smacks of hidden agendas by certain people in the Sox organization and it's a smear campaign by design.  If I'm John Henry, I send out a memo organization-wide stating that anyone leaking stories to the press and/or fabricating lies is subject to be hung by their feet upside down on the green Monster.  Either that or they're fired immediately. 

    We have a perfect storm of Sox employees looking to be part of the story and Boston media looking to pounce on every little rumor and treat it like it's a Pulitzer-worthy article.  I've seen 5th graders act like little tattlers or bullies, but even they recognize after a while that enough is enough and they stop passing nasty little crayon-written notes to one another. 

    We get it Boston media, some of the Sox players were a bit selfish and this team was a bit fractured.  Can you earn your bread some other way from hereon out?   
     
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    Have watched and listen for 2 weeks now..... all the not named sources and th inuendos....and not a firm fact among them except what has been said by the players.....so the writers can take what they have written and shove it....As usual, a story that should die as both the GM and Managers are gone...still lives....I wonder why....And really....If this was going on for a long time... do you think thses bottom feeders wouldnt have reported it before this...????

    ONly thing that is fact.....Sox had a great season till september...Then the majority of the team failed/sucked.... Pitching sucked....hitting was missing in key spots....and manager made some bad decisions ( this is in hindsight) 

    Same old boston reporting

    Time to move on.....and see what the new off season brings....

    Maybe it was time for all the changes to me made .


    Have a good day all....
     
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    In Response to Re: Unverified information and Anonymous sources:
    [QUOTE]Lets stop blame game! Sometimes not meant to be. Dice K down in May, Buchholz gone in June, Lester misses a month / Beckett 3 starts late and both not same pitchers after they return. How many teams can lose that many starters and still be in it at the end? Think starter problem led to bullpen problems late? Thank God offense was as good as it was or probably woukld have been out of it by Aug.
    Posted by garyhow[/QUOTE]

    I definitely agree with you.  Good pitching is very important.  Although, it didn't really help the Phillies this year.  I am still shocked that they aren't playing in the World Series this year.  Many articles were written before the season began about the Phillies having the best starting rotation in baseball in quite a while.  It still didn't help them this year.  Of course, just the fact that they were featured in Sports Illustrated might have been their downfall, if you believe in the Sports Illustrated curse. 
     
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    One comment:It just came out that 12 other teams allow drinking in the clubhouse.
    As a journalist and reporter don't you think that should have been checked on in the beginning not 3 weeks later?
    Just a comment on gathering information and verifying the information before you actually print a story.
    IMHO not much verification went on.
     
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    wow - does it make you guys feel better that the drinking/chicken eating went on in the clubhouse and not the dugout???

    do you just ignore what your own manager said was an attitude of disrespect amongst the players?????

    does Beckett get a pass now from you bootlickers because the last charge may or may not be true - even though his own manager in Florida said he was an abuser of team rules and had to be given potty passes like a child?

    do you just ignore the weight gain and lack of stamina that these three stooges exhibited during their historic collapse???

    this team will never get better unless we get rid of all these useless veterans who dont care about the team....the three stooges won 40 games combined last year - about a million per victory...sorry but we dont need them - if theyare so good then trade their recalcitrant azzes and get some young players who give a chit

    just stop making excuses for them - you guys are pathetic
     
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    Denial is a river, just ask Law.
    The Red Sox need someone who posts and writes for the Boston Dirt Dogs. I love the graphic for River of Denial on Dirt Dogs. You truly are a real Red Sox fan. Dirt Dogs is like having a Benedict Arnold on board. Hats off to you and your sincerity.                                  
     
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    [QUOTE]wow - does it make you guys feel better that the drinking/chicken eating went on in the clubhouse and not the dugout??? do you just ignore what your own manager said was an attitude of disrespect amongst the players????? does Beckett get a pass now from you bootlickers because the last charge may or may not be true - even though his own manager in Florida said he was an abuser of team rules and had to be given potty passes like a child? do you just ignore the weight gain and lack of stamina that these three stooges exhibited during their historic collapse??? this team will never get better unless we get rid of all these useless veterans who dont care about the team....the three stooges won 40 games combined last year - about a million per victory...sorry but we dont need them - if theyare so good then trade their recalcitrant azzes and get some young players who give a chit just stop making excuses for them - you guys are pathetic
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    Of course there is no excuse

    The issue is that its become sensationalist to sell papers so issues that could have and honestly were minor are blown out of proportion

    And keep railing against the best pitcher on the team and one of the best pitchers in the league, thank god your not the GM
     
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