Very disappointing, but also a heckuva game

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    Very disappointing, but also a heckuva game

    dgalehouse said it first on the game thread, but I agree with him.  Price was still tough, but the Sox got that one fluky dinger, then the rain, then the Rays bullpen, and the Sox took advantage, almost.  Meanwhile Doubront looked awful, I mean really bad, but somehow he held the Rays to 2 runs in 5 innings, and the bullpen came in and did a great job.  Two great doubles by Lavarnway and Drew in the 8th inning, which unfortunately got wiped out by horrible baserunning.  The point remains, however, the Sox did come back. 

    Plus the Sox got some valuable information.  Never use Nava as a pinch runner.

     
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    No game that my team loses is ever a good game. Not EVER. Period.

     

     
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    Re: Very disappointing, but also a heckuva game

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    dgalehouse said it first on the game thread, but I agree with him.  Price was still tough, but the Sox got that one fluky dinger, then the rain, then the Rays bullpen, and the Sox took advantage, almost.  Meanwhile Doubront looked awful, I mean really bad, but somehow he held the Rays to 2 runs in 5 innings, and the bullpen came in and did a great job.  Two great doubles by Lavarnway and Drew in the 8th inning, which unfortunately got wiped out by horrible baserunning.  The point remains, however, the Sox did come back. 

    Plus the Sox got some valuable information.  Never use Nava as a pinch runner.



    Cannot accept this kind of sloppy loss my friend, a huge loss is unforgiven! If ones have no claws, one is a loser... Have you heard of Vince Lombard? ... i like games that we win 12 to 1, like Coronel Ruppert did in days of Yankee glory... Yes, I am angry and rightfully so!!!

     
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    No game that my team loses is ever a good game. Not EVER. Period.

     



    YES....

     
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    These types of losses are the toughest to take.  They are heartbreaking.  But, if your team is going to lose games, and of course they are, then it is a much better sign if your team loses a game like this, rather than if they lose in a blowout.

    I've said many times that the statement "good teams know how to win the close games" is a fallacy.  Good teams know how to consistently beat their opponents by a bigger margin.  The close games are determined by randomness, where one good or bad break going the other way can alter the outcome.

     

     
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    The worst kind of a game to lose is an extra innings affair where you use your best relievers.  The Red Sox are only 1/2 game out and there's a lot of baseball left to play.  Tomorrow there'll be another game and it'll be against Seattle in Fenway.  Hopefully, there'll be some Red Sox blowouts ahead with lower leverage innings for the bullpen.  Time to collect the wins until they return to Eastern Division play.    

     
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    These types of losses are the toughest to take.  They are heartbreaking.  But, if your team is going to lose games, and of course they are, then it is a much better sign if your team loses a game like this, rather than if they lose in a blowout.

    I've said many times that the statement "good teams know how to win the close games" is a fallacy.  Good teams know how to consistently beat their opponents by a bigger margin.  The close games are determined by randomness, where one good or bad break going the other way can alter the outcome.

     




    They lost this game due to mistakes. That makes it intolerable.

     
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    Burrito--I came in after Doubie left--our Pen was good--the clutch hitting was good--managers choice of base runner not so great. Having your top two batters up in the bottom of the ninth with a chance to win the game---Price---less.

     
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    These types of losses are the toughest to take.  They are heartbreaking.  But, if your team is going to lose games, and of course they are, then it is a much better sign if your team loses a game like this, rather than if they lose in a blowout.

    I've said many times that the statement "good teams know how to win the close games" is a fallacy.  Good teams know how to consistently beat their opponents by a bigger margin.  The close games are determined by randomness, where one good or bad break going the other way can alter the outcome.

     

     




    They lost this game due to mistakes. That makes it intolerable.

     



    Yes, utterly intorable... Walter Alston used to say that most of  the times, one run games are won or lost by managers... i agree with that opinion...

     
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    These types of losses are the toughest to take.  They are heartbreaking.  But, if your team is going to lose games, and of course they are, then it is a much better sign if your team loses a game like this, rather than if they lose in a blowout.

    I've said many times that the statement "good teams know how to win the close games" is a fallacy.  Good teams know how to consistently beat their opponents by a bigger margin.  The close games are determined by randomness, where one good or bad break going the other way can alter the outcome.

     

     




    They lost this game due to mistakes. That makes it intolerable.

     



    Oooh... I bet they're scared....

     
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    Burrito--I came in after Doubie left--our Pen was good--the clutch hitting was good--managers choice of base runner not so great. Having your top two batters up in the bottom of the ninth with a chance to win the game---Price---less.



    Nice summary, better than mine. 

     
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    agree with op 100%

    this was a fantastic baseball game except for the final score. 

    lol @ valuable info. 

     
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    These types of losses are the toughest to take.  They are heartbreaking.  But, if your team is going to lose games, and of course they are, then it is a much better sign if your team loses a game like this, rather than if they lose in a blowout.

    I've said many times that the statement "good teams know how to win the close games" is a fallacy.  Good teams know how to consistently beat their opponents by a bigger margin.  The close games are determined by randomness, where one good or bad break going the other way can alter the outcome.

     

     




    They lost this game due to mistakes. That makes it intolerable.

     



    Like the admitted mistake by the home plate umpire?

     
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    These types of losses are the toughest to take.  They are heartbreaking.  But, if your team is going to lose games, and of course they are, then it is a much better sign if your team loses a game like this, rather than if they lose in a blowout.

    I've said many times that the statement "good teams know how to win the close games" is a fallacy.  Good teams know how to consistently beat their opponents by a bigger margin.  The close games are determined by randomness, where one good or bad break going the other way can alter the outcome.

     



    For me, the toughest to take are those when we blow a three-run lead in the ninth inning. Forget the game semi-recently that happened ...  actually, I think it was a four-run lead, and we lost  in extras. I was too pissed to sleep that night.

    Games like this, it ticks me off but I can live with getting screwed by a bad call more than I can a ninth-inning collapse.

     

     
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    This "heckuva game" cost us two games in the standings to the Rays due to an umpire's admitted blown call.  Anybody want to guess what the margin of the final AL east standings will be?

     
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    Yes, utterly intorable... Walter Alston used to say that most of  the times, one run games are won or lost by managers... i agree with that opinion...



    I disagree.  One run games are won or lost due to random factors or "luck".   A manager might have some impact, but not nearly as much as people think.  Many people credited Showalter last year as a big reason why the Os won so many one run games.  Showalter's Os are 13-16 in one run games this year.  Did he suddenly lose his ability to win the one run game?

    Maddon, whom many consider a managerial genius, is 15-14 in one run games.

    It often seems like a manager's decision, particularly late in a game, is the reason why a team won or lost.  But what about all of the events that took place earlier in the game?   Did they have no impact on the outcome?

     

     
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    This "heckuva game" cost us two games in the standings to the Rays due to an umpire's admitted blown call.  Anybody want to guess what the margin of the final AL east standings will be?

     




    Fandomish; these tend to even out; did you overlook the blown calls this season that went your way? Although not as vital to the outcome (one shall never know), you can start with the Nunez attempted steal of 2nd in the most recent Bos v NYY Series. Regardless, the game would have been tied yesterday, not won, so we'll never know about this game as well.

    Hopefully the instant replay rules starting next yr shall be similar to the NFL, allowing a couple of flags to the Mgr. That would be quite an improvement in getting the calls right.

     

     
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    For me, the toughest to take are those when we blow a three-run lead in the ninth inning. Forget the game semi-recently that happened ...  actually, I think it was a four-run lead, and we lost  in extras. I was too pissed to sleep that night.

    Games like this, it ticks me off but I can live with getting screwed by a bad call more than I can a ninth-inning collapse.

    I agree.  That game, against the Angels I believe, was extremely tough to swallow.  Walk off losses are hard to take as well.  All very heartbreaking.

    In general, I was referring to losing the close games, the ones that could have been won, but slipped away for one reason or another.   If your team is down 12-2 in the 4th inning, when you end up losing, it's not so heartbreaking.

    I'm glad to hear that I am not the only one who is kept awake by tough losses.  Smile   I know it's just a game, and I shouldn't take the losses so hard, but they keep me awake at night too, and they also affect my mojo the next day.

     

     
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    Yes, utterly intorable... Walter Alston used to say that most of  the times, one run games are won or lost by managers... i agree with that opinion...

     



    I disagree.  One run games are won or lost due to random factors or "luck".   A manager might have some impact, but not nearly as much as people think.  Many people credited Showalter last year as a big reason why the Os won so many one run games.  Showalter's Os are 13-16 in one run games this year.  Did he suddenly lose his ability to win the one run game?

     

    Maddon, whom many consider a managerial genius, is 15-14 in one run games.

    It often seems like a manager's decision, particularly late in a game, is the reason why a team won or lost.  But what about all of the events that took place earlier in the game?   Did they have no impact on the outcome?

     

     



    As a general rule, managers are a factor in close games. See (not the 70+ version) Casey Stengel, Sparky Anderson, Tony LaRussa, & Terry Francona. 

     
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    This "heckuva game" cost us two games in the standings to the Rays due to an umpire's admitted blown call.  Anybody want to guess what the margin of the final AL east standings will be?

     




    Fandomish; these tend to even out; did you overlook the blown calls this season that went your way? Although not as vital to the outcome (one shall never know), you can start with the Nunez attempted steal of 2nd in the most recent Bos v NYY Series. Regardless, the game would have been tied yesterday, not won, so we'll never know about this game as well.

     



    Nobody cares if it involves your Yankees. Go whine on a NY site.

     
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    This "heckuva game" cost us two games in the standings to the Rays due to an umpire's admitted blown call.  Anybody want to guess what the margin of the final AL east standings will be?

     




    Fandomish; these tend to even out; did you overlook the blown calls this season that went your way? Although not as vital to the outcome (one shall never know), you can start with the Nunez attempted steal of 2nd in the most recent Bos v NYY Series. Regardless, the game would have been tied yesterday, not won, so we'll never know about this game as well.

    Hopefully the instant replay rules starting next yr shall be similar to the NFL, allowing a couple of flags to the Mgr. That would be quite an improvement in getting the calls right.

     

     




    Yes, I'm sure no Yankee fan uttered a single bad word over the Nunez call.

     

    Lecturing the fan base here never gets old for you, does it?

     
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    This "heckuva game" cost us two games in the standings to the Rays due to an umpire's admitted blown call.  Anybody want to guess what the margin of the final AL east standings will be?

     




    Fandomish; these tend to even out; did you overlook the blown calls this season that went your way? Although not as vital to the outcome (one shall never know), you can start with the Nunez attempted steal of 2nd in the most recent Bos v NYY Series. Regardless, the game would have been tied yesterday, not won, so we'll never know about this game as well.

     

     



    Nobody cares if it involves your Yankees. Go whine on a NY site.

     

     




    Wacko obsessive, and sad.

     

     
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    This "heckuva game" cost us two games in the standings to the Rays due to an umpire's admitted blown call.  Anybody want to guess what the margin of the final AL east standings will be?

     




    Fandomish; these tend to even out; did you overlook the blown calls this season that went your way? Although not as vital to the outcome (one shall never know), you can start with the Nunez attempted steal of 2nd in the most recent Bos v NYY Series. Regardless, the game would have been tied yesterday, not won, so we'll never know about this game as well.

    Hopefully the instant replay rules starting next yr shall be similar to the NFL, allowing a couple of flags to the Mgr. That would be quite an improvement in getting the calls right.

     

     




    Yes, I'm sure no Yankee fan uttered a single bad word over the Nunez call.

     

    Lecturing the fan base here never gets old for you, does it?

     




     

    I can't argue with this; but perhaps you should take your own heed with regard to your lecturing me; and projecting would be Standings based on only calls going against you was the subject; do you disagree? Would U like a rah-rah thread only?

     
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