Re: Vote for Salty in 2013!
posted at 9/17/2012 9:20 PM EDT
In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to craze4sox's comment:
In response to southpaw777's comment:
The catching position is the hardest one to improve on. If a team has an AS catcher. Posey/Y.Molina/McCann/Weiters, they are NOT parting ways with them.
Our catching situation is improving. is salty a great defender? No, but he has noticably gotten better since his arrival in Boston. As far as cs% goes...its more about the pitcher IMO. Salty has one arb year left and is not a liability behind the plate. We should have a clearer picture of the catchers position going forward AFTER the 2013 season. Then we can move forward with it.
catcher is the least of our offseason worries this year.
I liked Tek when he was younger and see some similarities between he and Salty.
The difference being, In 1998Tek was 27, he hit 269 with 20 HRS and 70RBI'S after catching at least 100 games in his second season. During the next 8 seasons from 1999 to 2007 his average only dipped below 255 twice with his BA peaking in the 290's twice.
What was his OBP? .309 his first season then never below .325 until 2008 with his best year reaching 390. Teks SO to BB ratio was around 2 to 1 most of his career. Even in Teks last year he never SO four times more than he walked, or had a lower OBP than Salty's first two seasons. Tek was considered an above average catcher because his skill set was well rounded even though his arm was average. In other words he was an assett not liability to our team.
Salty will be 28 next May. So far, while catching at least 100 games Salty has yet to raise his BA above 235 or OBP over 300. Salty has also SO four times more than he walks. Can Salty still mature into another Tek? maybe, but I really hope this time next season we don't just talk about his defense improving a bit, or "his one" outstanding offensive SLG stat against RHP.
With that said, may the best man win but anyone we sign long term as our catcher needs to give us more production.
At age 28, Vtek hit .248 with an OPS of .730. He also led the league in PBs at age 27 & 28. He was injured at age 29 and had a .724 OPS at 30. His real improvement began at age 31, so I think it is a bit misleading to lump his numbers from age 28-30 into the following great seasons (for a catcher).
I realize that I am "spinning numbers" a bit here myself, but have a look for yourself...
Sidenote: CERA is not supposed to be used this way. It is best used by comparing pitcher by pitcher- one by one- and how they do with each catcher.
These are the aggregate numbers:
Salty from day 1 of 2011 to April 25th of 2012:
Inn: 953 / ERs: 517
Salty from April 26th to September 16:
Inn: 713 / ERs: 341
Shopp & Lava from 4/26 to 9/16:
Inn: 450 / ERs 220
Remember, this includes the 8 inning/19 ER game on 8/31 and the 12 inn/ 10 ER game of August 25th. I know everyone's CERA would be better if you could throw out the worst 2 games, but here are Salty's post April 25th numbers minus those 2 bad games:
693 inn/ 312 ERs
Salty has improved his CERA since April 25th.
Salty has more than cut in half his PB + WPs from 2011 to 2012.
Salty has improved his OPS from .737 to .775 from '11 to '12.
At age 27 & 28, VTek was leading MLB in PBs.
At age 28, VTek hit .248 with an OPS of .730.
At age 30, Vtek had a .724 OPS.
We all know that serious growth is possible after the age of 27 & 28, especially at the catcher position.
So in reality, it's fine to wait three to five years "if thats the case" for Salty to improve enough to help our team win, not just improve defensively? moon, you and I both know CERA is a about as useful to expert sources as any stat in baseball. Salty has one stat which is SLG against RHP that stands out offensively, otherwise hes pretty much an automatic out. He may have a few good stretches but not enough to make a huge difference.
I hope he does well next season but it remains to be seen.