Wake ERA now at 4.92

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    ramea, thank you for your Wake support.

     
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    His ERA could be much lower had our pen not allowed some of his inherited runners to score and some of the cheap hits that led to runs been turned into outs.

    The team is 11-5 in his starts.

    He has let up 3 or less ERs in 10 of his 16 starts. In 2 of his other starts, he pitched better than his line indicated.
     
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    Passed ball was another wild pitch. 5 runs later, Ortiz had to bailout good ole boy. ERA near 5, and over 5 for over 2 years. Needs to hunt "been squatting a long time" records playing for the Rays. Standard blast off the launching pad, like clockwork off the Wakefield human launching pad.

    Pay Wakefield's wasted money to Ortiz.
     
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    Team is 6-1 in Miller's starts. So what about what team does in Wakefield's 5.0 starts.
     
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    softy, now wait a second. are you advocating Miller be in the rotation?
     
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    you realize, he's white, right?
     
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    Yes, he wanted Miller in April and May when he was walking nearly as many batters as he had IP...in AAA!!!!!!

    Yes, he talks about career ERA and career norms:
    Miller career ERA: 5.79.

    Yes, he talks about Wake's 2010-2011 combined ERA.
    Miller in 2010: 8.54
    Miller in 2011: 5.44
    Do the math.

    Yes, he talks about Wake's wildness.
    Wake has the lowest BB/9 of all our starters (2010-2011)

    Yes, he talks about Wake's WHIP.
    Wake's WHIP is 3rd best of Sox healthy starters with 2 plus starts.

    Yes, he talks about age and weight and potato salad.
    What else is new?
    Silly clown.
     
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    ramea, great point. you know you just reminded me how close Wakefield got to actually throwing 4 straight quality starts. In fact, isn't that the game he was the WP....Wakefield is a winner!!! (it's my new line for winning pitchers in today's MLB).
     
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    Aceves won his 17th straight relief decision...what does that tell you about wins in baseball when the guy who gets a blown hold, gets the win, and finishes the game with a 9.00 ERA. They are team victories, and I keep seeing just how much they are team victories more and more by games like this one. Who cares who got the "win." Well, the agents do, that's for sure. But enough people have figured out that a win is about as predictable for a SP as Josh Beckett having perhaps his best season and having only 9 wins to show for it, 1 less than the stellar John Lackey.
     
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    And by no means am I hating on Aceves. This guy is a godsend, and I've called him the team MVP at times. I just hope he is not being over-pitched by Tito. He's throwing way too often in my opinion.
     
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    ramea, that was probably Tito's dumbest non-move since Matt Albers was left in to die a slow death v. the Cubs at Fenway in those milk-man uniforms. Ever since that game, Albers has been lights out. A terrific reliever on a terrific staff of relievers.
     
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    Goalposts are heavy.  Who's helping Softserve move them?
     
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    Aceves won his 17th straight relief decision...what does that tell you about wins in baseball when the guy who gets a blown hold, gets the win, and finishes the game with a 9.00 ERA. They are team victories, and I keep seeing just how much they are team victories more and more by games like this one. Who cares who got the "win." Well, the agents do, that's for sure. But enough people have figured out that a win is about as predictable for a SP as Josh Beckett having perhaps his best season and having only 9 wins to show for it, 1 less than the stellar John Lackey.
    Posted by dannycater


    But this refutes Moon's position about team win/loss with each starter.
    Can't have it both ways...
     
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    It's about the team. Tito will sacrifice Wake's ERA to save the oen for the next day. I'm OK with that, as long as fans recognize how it compromises Wake's numbers.

    Wake's ERA in innings 1-4 is 3.82. 
    (including relief IP)
    Inning 5: 7.02
    Inning 6: 5.93
    Inning 7: 8.10
    Inning 8: 2.08
    Inning 9: 3.38


     
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    We do realize if Boston was 8 back, how thrilled we would not be with Wake's push towards #200.  But right now he is playing with house money with us holding onto first place.
     
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    Yeah its fairly obvious watching him over the years that of all the pitchers Francona is basically set in stone that Wake throws 91-102 pitches each start. all but 3 of the 16 this year are in that range. I disagree with him being left in in the 7th at times when he is physically tiring, the Mariners granny the prime example, even if we know it will have little impact on his arm. But it is clear from your stats Moon that the guy has a career 4.65 ERA through 6 innings (or is that just this season?) Either way, what more do you want from a #6 starter? A 4.65 ERA thru 6 is basically an avg of a quality start.
    Posted by rameakap


    #6 starter is a matter of perception.
    Wake's starter numbers put him at #3 in the depth position this year.
    Lackey ended up the #3 pitcher last year.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcaxlxgnvf0&feature=related
     
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    Yeah its fairly obvious watching him over the years that of all the pitchers Francona is basically set in stone that Wake throws 91-102 pitches each start. all but 3 of the 16 this year are in that range. I disagree with him being left in in the 7th at times when he is physically tiring, the Mariners granny the prime example, even if we know it will have little impact on his arm. But it is clear from your stats Moon that the guy has a career 4.65 ERA through 6 innings (or is that just this season?) Either way, what more do you want from a #6 starter? A 4.65 ERA thru 6 is basically an avg of a quality start.
    Posted by rameakap

    I don't have the career numbers, but I do know, Wake has been great for 4 IP this year. Pretty darn good from 1 to 5 IP, but the 5th, 6th and 7th have been trouble. Maybe my idea for tandem starters would work with Wake and Miller or Wake and Aceves each going 3-5 IP.

     
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    It could be right around 4 had his teammates and manager helped him out more

    Look, buffalo. Wakefield's manager has helped him out by not calling Theo and telling him he wants paunched Moses and his 5 plus ERA for over 2 years off the team!

    As for his teammates, they have scored plenty and allowed fat man to waddle out there and pursue "been around too long" records. Pedroia was talking about how they want to help Wakefield get these records. It's embarrassing! Forget these stupid records! Invest inning in the youth, Miller, Weiland and Doubrant. 

    Grand slammer was simply Wakefield. He is a human homerun launching pad! 
     
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    Much like the legendary Kent Dorfman, Wakefield is a legacy. He probably even has a pledge pin in his locker somewhere. He is going no where, unless he pukes on Dean Wormer of course.
     
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    His ERA could be much lower had our pen not allowed some of his inherited runners to score and some of the cheap hits that led to runs been turned into outs. The team is 11-5 in his starts. He has let up 3 or less ERs in 10 of his 16 starts. In 2 of his other starts, he pitched better than his line indicated.
    Posted by moonslav59


    Thats like saying his ERA could be much higher if he was left in some of those games longer.  Wake has done a good job as our temporary #5 and for years at 6 but there are two sides of the coin to consider.
     
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    What's the other side?

    Weiland?
    Miller?
    A hurt Doubront?

    You claimed his good starts were "far and few between". You have the wrong perception, as do several others. You imply he is worse now than when he was younger. That is false.He has been at his best after 2006 ended.
     
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    What's the other side? Weiland? Miller? A hurt Doubront? You claimed his good starts were "far and few between". You have the wrong perception, as do several others. You imply he is worse now than when he was younger. That is false.He has been at his best after 2006 ended.
    Posted by moonslav59


    The other side is exactly what I originally said moon.  You and harness seem quick to point out such things as Wakes ERA could be lower if not for the pens failure but fail to mention what may happen to their ERA's if not pulled in certain games.  When I discuss guys like Lackey or Wake I look at different aspects of their game including innings pitched to runs given up. 

    I like Wake, Jason and others as much as you, but also see the good and bad when debating their worth.  Yes, I do believe "if given the chance" guys like Miller, Doubront etc. could do just as well as our number 6 sorry.
     
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    I don't know exactly where Wakefield ranks as a number 5 starter in MLB but I can guarantee it is probably in the top 5.  Meaning 25 other teams would love to have him, 11-5 in his starts?  That has NO meaning?  Sorry it certainly does. the 4.92 ERA par for the course for a number 5.  Wins are much more important particularly the team record.
     
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    Aceves won his 17th straight relief decision...what does that tell you about wins in baseball when the guy who gets a blown hold, gets the win, and finishes the game with a 9.00 ERA. They are team victories, and I keep seeing just how much they are team victories more and more by games like this one. Who cares who got the "win." Well, the agents do, that's for sure. But enough people have figured out that a win is about as predictable for a SP as Josh Beckett having perhaps his best season and having only 9 wins to show for it, 1 less than the stellar John Lackey.
    Posted by dannycater


    I think this is something Baseball should look at in the Rules Committee...maybe giving the official scorer the ability to assign who gets the win(within judicious rules)....The fact that a starter could pitch 8 innings of shut out ball, leave with a 3-0 lead, and a reliever comes in and gives up 3 runs in one inning of work , but then gets the win, when his team scores in the bottom of the ninth, he gets the win. They have given the officla scorer the discretion to give the win to a "succeeding relief pitcher", when a reliever pitches ineffectively and the starter doesnt qualify for a win, why not give him the discretion to give the win to a deserving starter. I dont think last night with Wake was Flagrant enough, but some cases definitely are
     
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    Miller's been great against teams in last place.  What are the chances of meeting any of those in the post season?
     
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