Wake wins 200th. Stops the slide. Sox up by 4 games over Rays.

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    2nd oldest pitcher to reach the mark is a tribute to his longevity

    No, it shows how pitiful he is because all of the others who reached this inferior milestone of quanity, not quality, faster than this personal tribute seeking washed up loser.

    I'll pay tribute to the first GM who kicks this parasite to the baseball curb.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Wake wins 200th. Stops the slide. Sox up by 4 games over Rays. : Oh, I'm betting it's a hell of a lot less than that. Many pitchers can't cut the grade and bounce around the M.L/AAA bus tour. Others have their careers shortened by injury. I wouldn't be surprised if the avg. career was half that.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]
    Correct
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Wake wins 200th. Stops the slide. Sox up by 4 games over Rays. : That's my dept. Hard to compare Rose to Aaron, beyond the longevity. Rose willed himself with a limited skill-set. But he was a fanatic about it. Aaron could hit for power and average. Just a complete player. One rose to great heights both on and off the field, and he did it in an extremely hostile environment. The other became an embarrassment to the game.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    I knew the Derby reference woyld get you to respond the way you did.

    In '67, as a kid, I went to a Mets Braves 2-fer (remember those?) at Shea. In batting practice Aaron hit about 15-20 straight balls in just about the exact same spot, in LF over the 341 sign in the loge (2nd deck). I never saw anyting like it.  LOL, he did nothing in the doubleheader, but Tommy Davis (who hit over .300 that year, in a pitcher's era) had 6 straight hits to start the 2 games; after the last game, we had to wait awhile for our ride and then he waved to us after the game in a car he was in behind us, mouthing to us thank you to my fans (Today, players are in a limo with invisible windows with their posse.) Mets were bad then, lost both games, the 2nd to Denny LeMaster, one of the better pitchers in the league, and I recall my friend's DAD, who picked us up, saying  ; "They can't beat LeMaster". It's amazing what baseball memories stick in your head from way back when.
     
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    55 million is not a charitable cause.
     
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    It is over 17 years...and 200 wins.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Wake wins 200th. Stops the slide. Sox up by 4 games over Rays. : I knew the Derby reference woyld get you to respond the way you did. In '67, as a kid, I went to a Mets Braves 2-fer (remember those?) at Shea. In batting practice Aaron hit about 15-20 straight balls in just about the exact same spot, in LF  over the 341 sign in the loge (2nd deck). I never saw anyting like it.  LOL, he did nothing in the doubleheader, but Tommy Davis (who hit over .300 that year, in a pitcher's era) had 6 straight hits to start the 2 games; after the last game, we had to wait awhile for our ride and then he waved to us after the game in a car he was in behind us, mouthing to us thank you to my fans (Today, players are in a limo with invisible windows with their posse.) Mets were bad then, lost both games, the 2nd to Denny LeMaster, one of the better pitchers in the league, and I recall my friend's DAD, who picked us up, saying  ; "They can't beat LeMaster". It's amazing what baseball memories stick in your head from way back when.
    Posted by nhsteven[/QUOTE]

    Lemaster. Man, that takes me back.
    He was a bonus baby who hurt his arm (southpaw) early in his career.
    Never really reached the status many thought he'd reach.
    Injuries suck. Good health is wasted on those too blind to notice.
     
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    Congrats to Wakefield. Well earned. Well deserved. This just might be what the SOX needed to start a winning streak.
     
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    [QUOTE]Congrats to Wakefield. Well earned. Well deserved. This just might be what the SOX needed to start a winning streak.
    Posted by antiqueman1[/QUOTE]

    If this site had a "Like" click - this post would get it.

    Well said. Congrats to Wake.
     
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    As far as Pete Rose's quest for the hit record went.... despite the fact the media loved every second of it, and Pete could do wrong in their eyes (much like Cal Ripken in 1995) Rose was MANAGING his own team the last 2 years of his pursuit of Cobb and kept penciling himself into the line up despite an OPS of around .600 and a barely .200 BA most of the 86 season. It was pure selfishness, which as it turns out is what Pete was all about.

     
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    I cant believe there is more anti-Wakefield than people like myself congratulating Wakefield's accomplishments!!!

    Remember Wakefield is only making less than 3 millions dollars a year which that is how much he have been making a year in his entire career.  I would take him over John Lackey, AJ Burkett, CC Sabathia, Cliff Lee, Barry Zito,  who all whine about money, and none of them are going to win a Cy Young award this year.  That is more pathletic!!

    Wakefield just keep replacing injured starter to keep the rotation fresh for the rest of the year.  How often you will find a pitcher like him to be able to accept being a #5 starter or being an emergency starting pitcher, or middle reliever, etc.  Without his help in past many years, Boston may not win a world series!!!

    He save arms for the pitching staffs!!!

    Go Sox and Wakefield.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Wake wins 200th. Stops the slide. Sox up by 4 games over Rays. : Lemaster. Man, that takes me back. He was a bonus baby who hurt his arm (southpaw) early in his career. Never really reached the status many thought he'd reach. Injuries suck. Good health is wasted on those too blind to notice.
    Posted by harness[/QUOTE]

    I think about Mantle (also Tony C & Radatz in the RS dep't; Yaz's longevity is remarkable considering he struggled with some major injuries in the 70s) when it comes to injuries, but they're a reality. LeMaster was still pretty good.
     
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    Ummmm Cliff Lee and CC are worth more than Wakefield. That post was silly. Those 2 guys EARN their paychecks. Wake is a decent 6th starter/mop-up guy for 3 million but come on Cliff Lee and Sabathia are worth every penny.
     
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    [QUOTE]I cant believe there is more anti-Wakefield than people like myself congratulating Wakefield's accomplishments!!! Remember Wakefield is only making less than 3 millions dollars a year which that is how much he have been making a year in his entire career.  I would take him over John Lackey, AJ Burkett, CC Sabathia, Cliff Lee, Barry Zito,  who all whine about money, and none of them are going to win a Cy Young award this year.  That is more pathletic!! Wakefield just keep replacing injured starter to keep the rotation fresh for the rest of the year.  How often you will find a pitcher like him to be able to accept being a #5 starter or being an emergency starting pitcher, or middle reliever, etc.  Without his help in past many years, Boston may not win a world series!!! He save arms for the pitching staffs!!! Go Sox and Wakefield.
    Posted by GoUconn13[/QUOTE]


    It isn't April so this can't be an April Fools Joke can it?
     
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    Thread was hijacked at some point and became a thread about Pete Rose and others.

     
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    Re: Wake wins 200th. Stops the slide. Sox up by 4 games over Rays.

    How about this copied and pasted partial article.  Love this one!!  Read it below:

    Oddly, his greatest moment may have been the beating he took in the infamous 2004 Game 3 playoff against the Yankees. Francona needed a body to save the bullpen. Wake raised his hand. He suffered the rout. And he set up Derek Lowe, Pedro Martinez, and Curt Schilling for the final four games, all wins. It was history and Wake played the role of the silent hero. When Schill and Friends were lauded, Francona never failed to cite the guy who saved the bullpen to set up the comeback.

    “That was as special to me as anything,’’ remembered Francona. “It was very meaningful. That’ll always be one of the things I remember most about him.’’

    “I sacrificed my start and got a chance to save the bullpen,’’ remembered Wakefield. “That night maybe helped us get some momentum for the greatest comeback in the history of sports. That’s why that ring is so special to me.’’

     
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    I DO NOT understand all this negativity toward Wake and his record.  Certain things are a function of other things.  IMO, and without taking anything away from Ellsbury (who. btw, has been one of my favorite players ever since he came up), Ellsbury's RBI total this year is as much a function of the people who bat at the bottom of the order as it is to what Ells has done.  They get on base, he drives them in.  They've got to be there in order for him to do it.

    At the same time, Wake's record is as much a testament to his ability to stick around as it is to his contribution to the team.  In some ways it would be more impressive if he'd reached 200 in 10 years but there's something to be said for a guy who's been consistently good enough to be a MLB player for as long as he has. 

    GM's don't tend to keep a guy around unless they think he can contribute, and
    baseball is very much a "what have you done for me lately" sport.  If a player has a bad year he's probably not going to be around next year unless the FO believes that he's going to be contributing next year.  He'll either be released or traded. Wake has been neither released nor traded.

    Wake's 200 is a function of how long he's been around, but at the same time it's also a function of how durable, reliable, and how much of a team player he's been.  It's not one or the other - it's both.  And that in itself is worth celebrating.   
     
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    [QUOTE]How about this copied and pasted partial article.  Love this one!!  Read it below: Oddly, his greatest moment may have been the beating he took in the infamous 2004 Game 3 playoff against the  Yankees . Francona needed a body to save the bullpen. Wake raised his hand. He suffered the rout. And he set up Derek Lowe, Pedro Martinez, and Curt Schilling for the final four games, all wins. It was history and Wake played the role of the silent hero. When Schill and Friends were lauded, Francona never failed to cite the guy who saved the bullpen to set up the comeback. “That was as special to me as anything,’’ remembered Francona. “It was very meaningful. That’ll always be one of the things I remember most about him.’’ “I sacrificed my start and got a chance to save the bullpen,’’ remembered Wakefield. “That night maybe helped us get some momentum for the greatest comeback in the history of sports. That’s why that ring is so special to me.’’
    Posted by GoUconn13[/QUOTE]

    Another excellent post, in perspective of what Wake has done for the Sox.

    I'll confess that I DO take issue with a certain Soft-headed one who has spent the past couple of weeks not only denigrating what Wake has accoomplished but also attempting to destroy Wake's character. 

    There's plenty of room in my life for differences of opinion and differing interpretations of how a player's numbers have (or have not) helped a team, but denigrating Wake's character is inherently wrong and speaks more to the person doing the posting than it does to Wake.

    I long ago started giving Softhead's post the weight they deserve (none) and I urge others to do the same.   
     
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    Sorry about the Pete Rose post... I will try to stay more on topic in the future <sheepishly walks away with head hung low>
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Wake wins 200th. Stops the slide. Sox up by 4 games over Rays. : IMO, Rose more so than Aaron; I saw both play live; Rose was good, feisty, combative, (and a Fosse destroyer), but there was no comparison. Regardless, congratulations To Wake, who Softy called an egomaniac today; was there even one instance of this? (Thread has since been banned) What garbage. 
    Posted by nhsteven[/QUOTE]

    Youre right no comparison. Two totally different types of players. Will never be another Pete Rose. First of all few players play as hard as Rose and secondly if they do they wont last long enough to amass over 4000 hits. He is a one of a kind and one of the best players to ever don a uniform.
     
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    WTG WAKE!!!!...the first bowl's on me.... Cool
     
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    I think the way Boston fans at Fenway (not here unfortunately) realized the moment is unique now, the milestone, and the way the players honored Wake a well just shows you about how records do mean things to everyone, cultivated certainly by media overplay. The 200-win milestone wasn't a big deal or as a big deal in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s because it was happening frequently. Think about this--a few guys recorded their 300th win a few years ago. That will never ever happen again as far I can see: Verlander? Halladay? Maybe. But 200 wins is now a barometer of success because guys just don't play long enough or around consistenly enough in their careers to reach that number. It's not a phenomenal achievement, but it's now very, very special and I hope the next guy who reaches 200 wins with any team gets a similar treatment. It's worth applauding. Wins are just harder to come by for SPs than in the past due to bullpen specialists and shorter pitch counts. Wake would have reached this milestone a few years ago had it not been for the jerking from the rotation to the bullpen that happened several years in a Sox jersey. It's a moment that was savored appropriately by Sox Nation....
     
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    [QUOTE]WTG WAKE!!!!...the first bowl's on me....  
    Posted by jete02fan[/QUOTE]

    Is that chicken salad?
     
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    [QUOTE]As far as Pete Rose's quest for the hit record went.... despite the fact the media loved every second of it, and Pete could do wrong in their eyes (much like Cal Ripken in 1995) Rose was MANAGING his own team the last 2 years of his pursuit of Cobb and kept penciling himself into the line up despite an OPS of around .600 and a barely .200 BA most of the 86 season. It was pure selfishness, which as it turns out is what Pete was all about.
    Posted by athens7676[/QUOTE]

    If you call 270 Atbats and 70 games played penciling yourself in I guess you are right. If all you can remember about Rose is '85 and '86 you shouldnt bring up anything about him. 4250 Hits and over 2000 runs scored are amazing. He did that while hustling his sak off every game. Guys like him have to be sickened by todays players. Rose loved to win and played to win every time he crossed the lines. You probably dont remember that Reds team being in the cellar before he took over. Nah that would be a positive.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Wake wins 200th. Stops the slide. Sox up by 4 games over Rays. : Is that chicken salad?
    Posted by Bad-Scene-[/QUOTE]potato..
     
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    Re: Wake wins 200th. Stops the slide. Sox up by 4 games over Rays.

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    [QUOTE]How about this copied and pasted partial article.  Love this one!!  Read it below: Oddly, his greatest moment may have been the beating he took in the infamous 2004 Game 3 playoff against the  Yankees . Francona needed a body to save the bullpen. Wake raised his hand. He suffered the rout. And he set up Derek Lowe, Pedro Martinez, and Curt Schilling for the final four games, all wins. It was history and Wake played the role of the silent hero. When Schill and Friends were lauded, Francona never failed to cite the guy who saved the bullpen to set up the comeback. “That was as special to me as anything,’’ remembered Francona. “It was very meaningful. That’ll always be one of the things I remember most about him.’’ “I sacrificed my start and got a chance to save the bullpen,’’ remembered Wakefield. “That night maybe helped us get some momentum for the greatest comeback in the history of sports. That’s why that ring is so special to me.’’
    Posted by GoUconn13[/QUOTE]

    Great post.  I am sure that many don't remember this about the 2004 season.
     

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