Wakefield and Aceves Propaganda

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    Wakefield and Aceves Propaganda

    Aceves has a 23-2 lifetime record as a pitcher.

    Aceves has a 2-1 lifetime record as a starter.

    Aceves has an ERA as a starter of 4.18 in just 9 starts.

    Wakefield is a joke in any pen role and has an ERA over 5 for over 2.5 years.

    Needless to say, Aceves should never have started season in AAA to keep Wakefield on roster.

    Aceves should have started season in the pen. Once starters went down, he should have been put in rotation ASAP. Farm should have been used to provide the middle innings role Aceves was in.

    If Aceves and roster had been managed properly since spring training, the Red
    Sox would have at least 4 or 5 more wins!

    The very reason the Red Sox are scuffing at start of year and at end is because of the managerial incompetence of Tim Wakefield wasted roster spot 200 win and team win record book ceremonial tour. It is the single signature management decision that has compromised the integrity of the competition of the game and the best interests of the team. For 2011 season, more than Crawford and/or more than Lackey FA contract debacle.

    The Red Sox are 9-3 when Miller starts. Miller is 6-3 in his starts.

    Weiland has 4 spot starts, spread out without any schedule. 2 poor starts and 1 good start and 1 marginal start.

    Doubrant has been given zero starts for 2011.

    If Red Sox had used farm for spot starts and pen duty, and managed Aceves correctly all season, the Red Sox would have won the division.

    If Red Sox don't make playoffs, less than 1 out of 10 chance they won't, Tim Wakefield is the loser face of a management PR ironic backfired decision that will go down as the most infamous management decision since George Ruth was sold.

    Wakefield pitching is the symtom of incompetent young pitcher farm development and the prideful hubris of PR driven management.

    Regardless of what happens from here out, nothing will change the fact that management has it's priorities completely out of order!
     
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    Theo should have signed someone else once Dice-K was injured not waited until we had another starting pitcher injured.  Wakefield is ok as a starter, but not to pitch as many games as he did this season.  If he had acquired someone else a lot sooner, the Red Sox probably wouldn't be struggling now. 

     
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    [QUOTE]Theo should have signed someone else once Dice-K was injured not waited until we had another starting pitcher injured.  Wakefield is ok as a starter, but not to pitch as many games as he did this season.  If he had acquired someone else a lot sooner, the Red Sox probably wouldn't be struggling now. 
    Posted by susan250[/QUOTE]

    I agree susan, Wake is fine as a spot pitcher.  When you need to pitch him every five days or in the PS it just doesn't work.
     
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    Wake makes a great spot starter if the manager bets on the games - he does not even have to cheat just bet against his own team and let Wake do his best.
     
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    1958
    I don't know where you got the figure the Red Sox have a less 1 in 10 chance of not making the playoffs, but despite my hopes we make it, it is a good bet to take those odds that they won't make the playoffs.  Maybe the stat you had was before the Rays series started.
     
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    But he really shouldn't be used against a team like the Rays will just run the bases with reckless abondon against his 60 MPH flutter-nuffer.........
     
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    [QUOTE]1958 I don't know where you got the figure the Red Sox have a less 1 in 10 chance of not making the playoffs, but despite my hopes we make it, it is a good bet to take those odds that they won't make the playoffs.  Maybe the stat you had was before the Rays series started.
    Posted by concord27[/QUOTE]

    Red Sox have a 90.3% chance of making the playoffs according to ESPN.It's the last stat in the column:

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/standings
     
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    [QUOTE]Aceves has a 23-2 lifetime record as a pitcher. Aceves has a 2-1 lifetime record as a starter. Aceves has an ERA as a starter of 4.18 in just 9 starts. Wakefield is a joke in any pen role and has an ERA over 5 for over 2.5 years. Needless to say, Aceves should never have started season in AAA to keep Wakefield on roster. Aceves should have started season in the pen. Once starters went down, he should have been put in rotation ASAP. Farm should have been used to provide the middle innings role Aceves was in. If Aceves and roster had been managed properly since spring training, the Red Sox would have at least 4 or 5 more wins! The very reason the Red Sox are scuffing at start of year and at end is because of the managerial incompetence of Tim Wakefield wasted roster spot 200 win and team win record book ceremonial tour. It is the single signature management decision that has compromised the integrity of the competition of the game and the best interests of the team. For 2011 season, more than Crawford and/or more than Lackey FA contract debacle. The Red Sox are 9-2 when Miller starts. Miller is 6-3 in his starts. Weiland has 4 spot starts, spread out without any schedule. 2 poor starts and 1 good start and 1 marginal start. Doubrant has been given zero starts for 2011. If Red Sox had used farm for spot starts and pen duty, and managed Aceves correctly all season, the Red Sox would have won the division. If Red Sox don't make playoffs, less than 1 out of 10 chance they won't, Tim Wakefield is the loser face of a management PR ironic backfired decision that will go down as the most infamous management decision since George Ruth was sold. Wakefield pitching is the symtom of incompetent young pitcher farm development and the prideful hubris of PR driven management. Regardless of what happens from here out, nothing will change the fact that management has it's priorities completely out of order!
    Posted by 1958lesspaul[/QUOTE]


    Neat trick. Miller loses more times when he starts than the Sox do.
     
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    The OP is propaganda.

     
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    Neat trick. Miller loses more times when he starts than the Sox do.

    Typo. Red Sox are 9-3 in games Miller starts.

    Susan, Wakefield is not OK on the roster, much less as a starter. 
     
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    Aceves is way to valuable in his current spot..As the starters are fighting to go 5-6 innings it would be bullpen suicide to take him out of that role IMO..Dont worry softy, I think Wake is done after this year anyway and you can find a new Sox player to constantly bash all year....
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Wakefield and Aceves Propaganda : Neat trick. Miller loses more times when he starts than the Sox do.
    Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]

    His "neat trick" is that he goes back and changes his words. If too many of his psots are saved, he gets banned so they will erased.

    Whatever you do, don't ask him for his "research".

     
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    Bottom line - 170 million payroll teams should not have their season be blamed on a single individual that did not perform.  Wake was at best a 5th starter all year and now the board wants to blame him for the position of the Sox????
     
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    The big problem with MLB in this era is cr@ppy pitching.

    Lucky for us it is widespread and our team has a few good pitchers.

    These are the ones I currently have faith in ( although it has been subject to change in past years and likely will change in future):

    Papelbon
    Aceves
    Bard
    Beckett
    Lester
    Buchholz ( too bad he's unable to pitch right now).

    These are the ones I have hope will be useful, but am highly doubtful will be dominant or even capable:

    Lackey
    Bedard
    Doubront
    Atchison
    Weiland
    Trevor Miller

    These are the ones I have lost all confidence in and hope they are just released, traded or retire:

    Wakefield
    Matsuzaka (good thing he's not here to make things worse!)
    Albers
    Bowden
    Wheeler
    Morales
    and especially Andrew Miller, he's awful!

    As you can see,in my opinion we have a 5 man staff right now ( not counting Buchholz , who could return but it doesn't help right now).

    We've played teams ( like Baltimore) that can't match that. Let's hope their pitcher's s#ck worse than ours do ( at least for the two weeks), or we might as well start thinking about next year.
     
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    Aceves should be in roation since DiceK went down. Proof in point is getting behind so often with only 2 solid starters. Farm and fire sale trade deadline veteran should have handled spot starts and long pen work after DiceK went down. Wakefield use is worst management decision since I started following Red Sox in 1967.
     
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    [QUOTE]Aceves has a 23-2 lifetime record as a pitcher. Aceves has a 2-1 lifetime record as a starter. Aceves has an ERA as a starter of 4.18 in just 9 starts. Wakefield is a joke in any pen role and has an ERA over 5 for over 2.5 years. Needless to say, Aceves should never have started season in AAA to keep Wakefield on roster. Aceves should have started season in the pen. Once starters went down, he should have been put in rotation ASAP. Farm should have been used to provide the middle innings role Aceves was in. If Aceves and roster had been managed properly since spring training, the Red Sox would have at least 4 or 5 more wins! The very reason the Red Sox are scuffing at start of year and at end is because of the managerial incompetence of Tim Wakefield wasted roster spot 200 win and team win record book ceremonial tour. It is the single signature management decision that has compromised the integrity of the competition of the game and the best interests of the team. For 2011 season, more than Crawford and/or more than Lackey FA contract debacle. The Red Sox are 9-3 when Miller starts. Miller is 6-3 in his starts. Weiland has 4 spot starts, spread out without any schedule. 2 poor starts and 1 good start and 1 marginal start. Doubrant has been given zero starts for 2011. If Red Sox had used farm for spot starts and pen duty, and managed Aceves correctly all season, the Red Sox would have won the division. If Red Sox don't make playoffs, less than 1 out of 10 chance they won't, Tim Wakefield is the loser face of a management PR ironic backfired decision that will go down as the most infamous management decision since George Ruth was sold. Wakefield pitching is the symtom of incompetent young pitcher farm development and the prideful hubris of PR driven management. Regardless of what happens from here out, nothing will change the fact that management has it's priorities completely out of order!
    Posted by 1958lesspaul[/QUOTE]

    Aceves: 2-1 as a starter.
    Wakefield: 190 - 165 as a starter.

    Aceves: 22-2 as a reliever.
    Wakefield: 10-14 as a reliever.

    Aceves: 4.18 ERA as a starter over 9 starts.
    Wakefield: 4.48 ERA over 462 starts


    Aceves: 9 years in AAA starting.
    Wakefield: 4 years in AAA starting.

    Now do you think you are smart enough to figure out why Aceves only has 9 career starts? Who is the better BP fit?

    If you had managed this team, we'd be looking a depleted bullpen, Cam in centerfield and Hall battling you for Wally's job.
     
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    "To be honest with you, the way things are going, he should be starting. It’s as simple as that," Ortiz said. "I think at one point, he might be a starter. It all depends what the front office decides, but he’s got good stuff, and we definitely need a guy that can come in and give us six or seven good innings. He seems like he’s capable to do it, so we’ll see."

    If I was general manager, Lackey and Crawford would not be on this team, and Kemp woud be in CF. Wakefield would be pitching girls softball. Bedard and Harden would be on short term contracts.

    If you were gm, Agon would still be in SD, and you would sign Varitek and Wakefield to 10 year extensions.

    Wakefield hasn't had an ERA under 5 in 2.5 years!

     
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    @1958... I think you have made your point about Wakefield (I agree with you by the way), but you have a zillion posts in a squillion threads that all say the same thing. I think everyone gets it... Wake is terriblr and shouldn't be starting or pitching at all for that matter. You are beating a horse that died months ago with your non-stop anti-Wakefield posting. I totally understand your frustration, but there are other issues with the team, you seem like a bright guy... maybe looking at everything as a whole, instead of going after this one guy who only influences a game once every 5-8 days would be more useful to the discussion. Just a thought..sorry if I offended you. God Bless.
     
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    This thread is about Aceves vs. Wakefield and what makes the most sense for the team. Try staying on subject.

    Aceves has a 5.14 ERA as a starter this year. 1.571 WHIP.
    Wake - has a 5.27 ERA as a starter this year. 1.365 WHIP. 

    Aceves in 4 starts over 21 IP - none against the A. L.East - and only once has he gottten by the 5th inning.

    His value is in the pen. 2.22 ERA  1.012 WHIP

    The very argument for Aceves starting is ludicrous.
     
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    Too small a sample, bird brain. Aceves career starter record is 2-1 and ERA is 4.18. A run less than career loser Tim Wakefield over last 2.5 years. Aceves has a career record of 23-3.

    Aceves has not been allowed to start in Boston, simply given a few spot starts. Those spot starts are quite good, overall:

    Start 1 May 21 Cubs 5 IP 3H 2BB 2K 1 ER 1 R 0 HR(True Quality)
    Start 2 May 26 @ Tigers 6 IP 5H 2BB 6K 1 ER 1 R 0 HR (True Quality)
    Start 3 May 31 White Sox 5 IP 8H 3BB 1K 6 ER 8 R 0 HR (Bad)
    Start 4 June 21 Padres 5 IP 4H 6BB 4K 4 ER 4 R 0 HR (marginal)

    Aceves was never given an opportunity to be a part of starting rotation. Pretty clear why he is winner and Wakefield is a big loser. 

    Reality is that Aceves as bridge from nowhere starter is wrong on a team that had only Beckett and Lester after Buch was hurt. Proper use of Aceves would have resulted in at least 3 or 4 more net wins.                                  
     
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    Why did you make the same post in 3 diffrent threads? You are exhibiting troll like behavior.
     
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    Why don't you stop trolling my threads.
     
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    Why don't you stop trolling my threads.
     
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    One more paste/cut for good measure.
    AKA lazy cyberspace wall-paper jerking.
     
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    18810 idle time posts of drivel.
     

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