Way to go Iggy! Red Sox Winner & Starting SS!!!!!

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    Proposed nicknames :
    Iggy Stardust
    Iggy Pop
     
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    p.s.   So you can keep up without feeling threatened.....  By metaphorical knife, I am in fact making a less than oblique reference to your mind.  :0  :)
     
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    [QUOTE]Unlike Lowrie, a good overall athlete with good speed. It will be nice to get a SS who doesn't commit a bunch of errors with no range and the reflexes of an old man. Iggy can't be the everyday guy soon enough! The bonus signing money was well invested. Way to go Iggy, you are a winner. Need to get rid of some of the losers on this team. Since 2008, some everyday position players were added who are losers.
    Posted by softlawRS[/QUOTE]

    Well the reality of the situation is this...thank god Iggy had that extra speed since he stopped at 2B when everyone in the ballpark and those watching on TV knew the ball hit by Crawford was going to be off the wall...the fact that he beat the throw, on a play he made closer than it should have been, prevented him from being the goat!

    Now wo are these loser players you refer too that were added to the starting line-up since 2008:
    • Gonzalez - Me thinks you are not referring to him as a 'loser' player
    • Lowrie - This 'kid' may not be the long term solution at SS for the Red Sox but he will be integrated into the Sox future, whether it be at a different position, like 3B, or moved in a trade to support a need at another position. I really don't think we've got a big enough sample size to classify him as a 'loser' and actually to the contrary he's been a pretty productive player offensively when he is healthy.
    • Crawford -- Once again, me thinks you would not refer to Carl as a 'loser' so quickly into his Red Sox career,,,that would be a tab bit premature.
    • Saltalamacchia - So this poor kid must be the target of your venom...and for what reason...he is definitely struggling but that doesn't classify a player as a 'loser' because then Pedroia could be classified as a loser at this point - and we all know that is not the case.
    I also assumed you did not include Ellsbury in your 'loser' tirade since he was an integral member of the 2007 playoff and world championship everyday line-up.


     
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    Ellsbury was not part of the everyday lineup for the 2007 championship team.


    you brought your metaphorical knife to a gun fight lad

    You brought an actual pea brain to a spit ball fight, lad.


     
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    Just to be clear......  What are you arguing for????

    1)  Would you START iggy over Lowrie, thus taking his bat out of the line-up on a consistent basis?

    2)  If so..... Do you believe that would make the Sox a better team?  Now????

    3)  What exactly would you do with Els?????

    4)  Would you 'trade' him?  bench him?  Who would you replace him with??

    5)  If you had it 'your way' would you have taken Els & Lowrie out of the Sox line-up in all the games already played?

    6)  If so, what would our record be???  better?

    7)  Do you actually have a point????  Specifically!  What would your starting lineup be for THIS TEAM?  As it exists???  With those under contract???

    8)  Do you actually just enjoy making inane & irrelevant arguments?

    9)  Try sticking to life as WE (Sox fans) know it to exist???
     
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    [QUOTE]Ellsbury was not part of the everyday lineup for the 2007 championship team. you brought your metaphorical knife to a gun fight lad You brought an actual pea brain to a spit ball fight, lad.
    Posted by softlawRS[/QUOTE]

    Pardon me, but he who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones...since it was ELLSBURY who was the EVERYDAY CF for the entire World Series and for the final two games of the 2007 ALCS...considering the importance of those games to the team's ultimate success...that made him the 'everyday' CF in the eyes of most Red Sox fans that have more than an ounce of common sense. I also believe he started the 2008 season as the starting CF re-enforcing his position at the end of 2007.

    Looks like the one with the pea brains firing spit balls is the OP of this topic...but I won't mention any names!

     
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    [QUOTE]No matter how many ways you keep reframing your arguments, you still sound like a moron! To a moron like you, one consistient analysis is double visioned as "refraiming your arguments". From that long spit ball list you made, you have the wit and wisdom of someone who is still employing the spit ball.
    Posted by softlawRS[/QUOTE]

    we all know who the real loser is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Wink
     
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    Iggy doesnt score without Lowrie being patient enough to take a walk and Crawfords wall ball. Iggy really had the easy part.
     
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    Just to be clear...... the real question is why are you arguing? 

    1)  Would you START iggy over Lowrie, thus taking his bat out of the line-up on a consistent basis?

    Yes, I would, thus taking Lowrie's lousy SS defense out of the lineup on a team that already has the same, if not better offense than 2010

    2)  If so..... Do you believe that would make the Sox a better team?  Now????

    Yes, it would make the Red Sox a better team, with emphasis on "team".

    3)  What exactly would you do with Els?????

    4)  Would you 'trade' him?  bench him?  Who would you replace him with??

    Trade him for a solid young corner slugging RH OF'er before the end of this next winter. For now, cut his starting CF time down to about 4 days a week, and give Cameron more playing time. As Crawford continues to return closer to his career averages, which is what Bellsbury has done, start getting Crawford used to the future leadoff role by having Crawford take more of the leadoff starts against RHP and having Bellsbury hit 9th when he starts and Crawford leads off.   
    5)  If you had it 'your way' would you have taken Els & Lowrie out of the Sox line-up in all the games already played?

    If the winter market was there for a solid young corner slugging RH OF'er, one or both would be gone, depending upon the quality of the acquired player or package of players. As it is, I would have continued Lowrie in the role he started in the spring, platooning some v. LH starting pitching, playing backup 3rd and pinch hitting some. Lowrie's never cut it in an everyday season long mode, so keeping in the the rest days role that was working makes sense. I already provided the way I would use Bellsbury, which would not be on the active roster just doing what Wakefield does.  

    6)  If so, what would our record be???  better?

    Speculation on the actual record would be one more win, better.

    7)  Do you actually have a point????  Specifically!  What would your starting lineup be for THIS TEAM?  As it exists???  With those under contract???

    I've already defined what the roles and lineup changes would be. Wakefield would not be on the active roster, but with what "exists", he would be;)

    8)  Do you actually just enjoy making inane & irrelevant arguments?

    Are you actually aware of how near sighted you are? You wouldn't know what an inange and irrelevant argument was, since your own arguments fit that category.
    9)  Try sticking to life as WE (Sox fans) know it to exist???

    Look, pal, even those posters who "hate" me admitted, in hindsight, that Bellsbury was not a strong defensive everyday CF'er, nor was he the "on-base machine" he was projected to be in spring 2008.

    Try doing more than being a giddy cheerleader for the players you like, you might learn something.
     
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    None of those pitches to Lowrie were close. Iggy had the hard part.
     
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    In Response to Re: Way to go Iggy! Red Sox Winner & Starting SS!!!!!:
    [QUOTE]Proposed nicknames : Iggy Stardust Iggy Pop
    Posted by mrmojo1120[/QUOTE]

    Given that he hasn't had an extra base hit so far this season in Pawtucket, Iggy Nopop might be more appropriate. 
     
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    This is why softy is such a clown -- (I'm stealing moonie's description).

    Lowrie had this season the year before he was called up in 133 games:
    82 R, 47 2B, 8 3B, 13 HR, 70 RBI, .298 BA, .503 SLG, .896 OPs

    He had this when he was called up in 2008 (53 games):
    14 2B, 2 3B, 5 HR, 32 RBI, .268 BA, .434 SLG, .793 OPS

    And when he came up, he had these numbers in 81 games (260 AB):
    34 R, 25 2B, 3 3B, 2 HR, 46 RBI, .258 BA, .339 OBP, .400 SLG, .739 OPS and that includes a late-season slump when he played with an injured wrist. 

    And agreeing that he doesn't have great range at SS, he still didn't make an error.

    Yet after proving he could play and hit at a major league level, when he was named the SS in 2009, softy wrote in post after post that Lowrie was "given" the job and didn't earn it.

    No take Iglesias. He has this in the minors total:

    94 G, 376 AB, 12 2B, 5 3B, 0 HR, 24 RBI, .284 BA, .324 OBP, .348 SLG, .531 OPS.

    Yet good ole softy wants the SS handed to him right now. What has he earned?

    Iglesius might be great defensively but he has yet to shown in the minors that he can handle the bat at the next level. He's half a player. If he got the job now -- and thankfully the front office has more brains — wouldn't it be just the same thing -- ''handing a player a job who hasn't earned it" -- that softy was complaining about in 2009.

    Actually it isn't because Lowrie did everything he was supposed to do to get the chance in the majors. Iglesias has yet to do that. One day he may very well become the next Omar Vizquel but he's shown he's ready yet.

    Of course we all should be used to softy's double standards, inconsistencies and moving the goal posts.
     
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    [QUOTE]This is why softy is such a clown -- (I'm stealing moonie's description). Lowrie had this season the year before he was called up in 133 games: 82 R, 47 2B, 8 3B, 13 HR, 70 RBI, .298 BA, .503 SLG, .896 OPs He had this when he was called up in 2008 (53 games): 14 2B, 2 3B, 5 HR, 32 RBI, .268 BA, .434 SLG, .793 OPS And when he came up, he had these numbers in 81 games (260 AB): 34 R, 25 2B, 3 3B, 2 HR, 46 RBI, .258 BA, .339 OBP, .400 SLG, .739 OPS and that includes a late-season slump when he played with an injured wrist.  And agreeing that he doesn't have great range at SS, he still didn't make an error. Yet after proving he could play and hit at a major league level, when he was named the SS in 2009, softy wrote in post after post that Lowrie was "given" the job and didn't earn it. No take Iglesias. He has this in the minors total: 94 G, 376 AB, 12 2B, 5 3B, 0 HR, 24 RBI, .284 BA, .324 OBP, .348 SLG, .531 OPS. Yet good ole softy wants the SS handed to him right now. What has he earned? Iglesius might be great defensively but he has yet to shown in the minors that he can handle the bat at the next level. He's half a player. If he got the job now -- and thankfully the front office has more brains — wouldn't it be just the same thing -- ''handing a player a job who hasn't earned it" -- that softy was complaining about in 2009. Actually it isn't because Lowrie did everything he was supposed to do to get the chance in the majors. Iglesias has yet to do that. One day he may very well become the next Omar Vizquel but he's shown he's ready yet. Of course we all should be used to softy's double standards, inconsistencies and moving the goal posts.
    Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]

    And talk about your Punch & Judy (another Softy pet term).  Managing to slug .348 while batting .284 is kind of a dubious accomplishment.  Does this guy ever find a gap?
     
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    [QUOTE]This is why softy is such a clown -- (I'm stealing moonie's description). Lowrie had this season the year before he was called up in 133 games: 82 R, 47 2B, 8 3B, 13 HR, 70 RBI, .298 BA, .503 SLG, .896 OPs He had this when he was called up in 2008 (53 games): 14 2B, 2 3B, 5 HR, 32 RBI, .268 BA, .434 SLG, .793 OPS And when he came up, he had these numbers in 81 games (260 AB): 34 R, 25 2B, 3 3B, 2 HR, 46 RBI, .258 BA, .339 OBP, .400 SLG, .739 OPS and that includes a late-season slump when he played with an injured wrist.  And agreeing that he doesn't have great range at SS, he still didn't make an error. Yet after proving he could play and hit at a major league level, when he was named the SS in 2009, softy wrote in post after post that Lowrie was "given" the job and didn't earn it. No take Iglesias. He has this in the minors total: 94 G, 376 AB, 12 2B, 5 3B, 0 HR, 24 RBI, .284 BA, .324 OBP, .348 SLG, .531 OPS. Yet good ole softy wants the SS handed to him right now. What has he earned? Iglesius might be great defensively but he has yet to shown in the minors that he can handle the bat at the next level. He's half a player. If he got the job now -- and thankfully the front office has more brains — wouldn't it be just the same thing -- ''handing a player a job who hasn't earned it" -- that softy was complaining about in 2009. Actually it isn't because Lowrie did everything he was supposed to do to get the chance in the majors. Iglesias has yet to do that. One day he may very well become the next Omar Vizquel but he's shown he's ready yet. Of course we all should be used to softy's double standards, inconsistencies and moving the goal posts.
    Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]

    Nice breakdown Roy!! 

    Unfortunately, REAL hard stats, not massaged to make a point as GM & others are want to do, are completely lost on these guys!!! 

    BRAVO for the effort though.  Any REAL Red Sox fan appreciates what guys like Els. & Lowrie mean to THIS TEAM!!!!  Not the team that GM manages in his wet dreams.....

    :)
     
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