We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

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    Check out last nights BOX SCORE......  5 Team hits, with "BIG PAPI" down to 222 ....  Pedroia, 231 ..... Overall, not good.... We need for the weather to come around !!!   What say you ???


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    Way too early to panic about averages. Sox have faced good pitching in Danks, Sales, Pineda, nad so on. The averages will pick up when they play teams that have mediocre pitching, I'd rather see them not hit now than later in the year during the pennant stretch run

     
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    I really don't expect Papi and Pedi to hit that low. Hopefully with Victorino and Middlebrooks coming back the hits will come again,


     


     


     


     


    Check out last nights BOX SCORE......  5 Team hits, with "BIG PAPI" down to 222 ....  Pedroia, 231 ..... Overall, not good.... We need for the weather to come around !!!   What say you ???


     


     


     


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    Way too early to panic about averages. Sox have faced good pitching in Danks, Sales, Pineda, nad so on. The averages will pick up when they play teams that have mediocre pitching, I'd rather see them not hit now than later in the year during the pennant stretch run


     


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    The O's Tilman is the opposition tonight with an under 1.00 ERA. This may be the night they break out!!!!!!!!!!!!

     
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    Any team that can go into Chicago and take two of three from a pretty good team with good pitching in those weather conditions with everything that's been going wrong with the injuries and etc., still has a little left in the tank. Lester was incredible last night. I feel better about the team than I did Monday, although I agree they need Victorino and Middlebrooks back. Plus, guys like Pedroia and Ortiz are not going to hit .200, just wait.

     
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

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    Any team that can go into Chicago and take two of three from a pretty good team with good pitching in those weather conditions with everything that's been going wrong with the injuries and etc., still has a little left in the tank. Lester was incredible last night. I feel better about the team than I did Monday, although I agree they need Victorino and Middlebrooks back. Plus, guys like Pedroia and Ortiz are not going to hit .200, just wait.


     




    +1  Just what I'd have said, only Ex said it better.  


    Note to all:  The sky is NOT falling.


     


    Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.


     


     

     
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

     


     


    sox will hit


     


    it's not uncommon for older teams like the sox


     


    2 struggle in the cold weather

     
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

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    Any team that can go into Chicago and take two of three from a pretty good team with good pitching in those weather conditions with everything that's been going wrong with the injuries and etc., still has a little left in the tank. Lester was incredible last night. I feel better about the team than I did Monday, although I agree they need Victorino and Middlebrooks back. Plus, guys like Pedroia and Ortiz are not going to hit .200, just wait.


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    IT'S THE UPS AND DOWNS OF A VERY LONG SEASON. EVERY TEAM HAS INJURIES, WE JUST GOT OUR OUT OF THE WAY EARLY;) VICTORINO IS PLAYING  3 REHAB GAMES IN PAWTUCKET, SAT SUN AND MONDAY, AND IS EXPECTED BACK TUESDAY. WMB WAS EXPECTED TO REHAB NEXT WEEK BUT WAS SENT BACK TO BOSTON YESTERDAY, WITH THE FLU.

     
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    sox will hit


     


    it's not in common for old teams like the sox


     


    2 struggle in the cold weather


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    Old teams???

     
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

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    Any team that can go into Chicago and take two of three from a pretty good team with good pitching in those weather conditions with everything that's been going wrong with the injuries and etc., still has a little left in the tank. Lester was incredible last night. I feel better about the team than I did Monday, although I agree they need Victorino and Middlebrooks back. Plus, guys like Pedroia and Ortiz are not going to hit .200, just wait.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     




    +1  Just what I'd have said, only Ex said it better.  


     


     


     


     


     


    Note to all:  The sky is NOT falling.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    [/QUOTE] yeah, it's just a little lower :-)


     
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

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    Old teams???



    sorry my bad I edited 2


    'older teams like the sox'

    is that better grammar


     

     
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    Old teams???


     



    sorry my bad I edited 2


     


    'older teams like the sox'

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    David Ortiz???? yes.


    But after that I wouldn't call this an "older team" no one is counting on AJ Pieryznski to get this team going. 

     
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

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    David Ortiz???? yes.


     


    But after that I wouldn't call this an "older team" no one is counting on AJ Pieryznski to get this team going. 


     


     


    oh I know


    boy do I know


    everyone here knows/posts about the yanks R the oldest team in the league


    but how many know/post that the sox R the 2nd


     

     
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

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    David Ortiz???? yes.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    But after that I wouldn't call this an "older team" no one is counting on AJ Pieryznski to get this team going. 


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    oh I know


     


     


     


    boy do I know


     


     


     


    everyone here knows/posts about the yanks R the oldest team in the league


     


     


     


    but how many know/post that the sox R the 2nd


     


     


     


     


     






     


    Having the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.


     


     

     
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

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    David Ortiz???? yes.


    But after that I wouldn't call this an "older team" no one is counting on AJ Pieryznski to get this team going.  oh I know


    boy do I know


    everyone here knows/posts about the yanks R the oldest team in the league


    but how many know/post that the sox R the 2nd


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    Grrr..  Let me try that again as I get used to this new board.  :-)


    There's a fine line between "Experienced" and "old". At least that's what us older guys say. LOL


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    David Ortiz???? yes.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    But after that I wouldn't call this an "older team" no one is counting on AJ Pieryznski to get this team going. 


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    oh I know


     


     


     


    boy do I know


     


     


     


    everyone here knows/posts about the yanks R the oldest team in the league


     


     


     


    but how many know/post that the sox R the 2nd


     


     


     


     


     




    ohhh please! I love it when NY fans try to make this argument.  First of all that is an average age, and doesn't truly reflect a teams commitment or reliance on veterans.  


     


    Here is the Sox top 10 Oldest players


     


    Koji/Ortiz/Dempster/AJP/Lackey/Capuano/Peavy/Victorino/Gomes/Breslow.


     


    That is 3 starting positions players. 2 starting pitcher 1 closer, 2 other bullpen arms, 1 bench player and one on the inactive list.


     


    Now take a look at the Yankees oldest ten.


     


    Jeter/Suzuki/Kuroda/AROD/Soriano/ Beltran/Thorton/Roberts/Teixeira/Sabathia


     


    That is 6 starting position players, 2 starting pitchers, 1 bullpen arm and 1 bench player.


     


    Now here is the bigger difference.  The Yankees have a total commitment (not counting vesting options) of 331.5 million dollars while the Sox owe 94.95 million to their oldest 10. 


     


    Now when you look at the bottom 10 (these are the guys who are either going to fill the shoes of the aging veterans or be traded for those guys) The Sox arguably have the best farm system in the league and the Yankees have arguably the worst.  Over the next two years the Sox have total payroll commitments of 78.2 million and then 13.24 million while the Yankees owe 160 million in 2015 and then 155 in 2016.


     


    The Sox are in ZERO way even remotely close to being as reliant upon the old aging players for production, and are not as heavily invested in them, and have resources and the cap space to aggressively add to their payrolls to augment with a player development Juggernaut. 


     


    Are the Boston Red Sox on average the 2nd oldest team? technically yes (if you say so) but the picture is completely different from the New York Yankees story. 

     
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

     


    Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing.
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

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    ohhh please! I love it when NY fans try to make this argument.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    ohhh please yourself! I love it how RSN has 2 bring money into everything


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    First of all that is an average age, and doesn't truly reflect a teams commitment or reliance on veterans.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    but it does


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     The Old and the Restlesss: Weighted Team Ages


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    by Dave Cameron - April 15, 2014


     


     


     


     


     


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    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-old-and-the-restlesss-weighted-team-ages/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-old-and-the-restlesss-weighted-team-ages/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-old-and-the-restlesss-weighted-team-ages/

     
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

    The Sox have also been a bit unlucky. I can think of at least two or three balls that could have been homers or extra-base hits by Ortiz that were outs because of a great defensive play, plus another three -- at least -- that could have been extra-base hits in a different ballpark (not necessarily Fenway).


    And Ortiz hasn't been the only one either.


    In the long run, it balances out to some extent, but right  now, the Sox are on the short end.


     

     
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

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    ohhh please! I love it when NY fans try to make this argument.


     


    ohhh please yourself! I love it how RSN has 2 bring money into everything


     


    First of all that is an average age, and doesn't truly reflect a teams commitment or reliance on veterans.


     


    but it does


     


     The Old and the Restlesss: Weighted Team Ages


     


    by Dave Cameron - April 15, 2014


     


    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-old-and-the-restlesss-weighted-team-ages/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-old-and-the-restlesss-weighted-team-ages/


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    I'm not disputing that we are an old team.  I'm just saying the Yankees have more money into starting players locked up for years.  While the Sox are relying more on their younger players.


    I'd rather be the 2nd oldest team in the league with more of the old players being veteran role players with a strong talented youthful core than being a very young team whose youth is not as talented.  And even WORSE...I'd hate to be the OLDEST team with almost NO youth movement in the pipeline.


    That's the difference. 

     
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

    I'm not disputing that we are an old team. I'm just saying the Yankees have more money into starting players locked up for years. While the Sox are relying more on their younger players.


     


     


     


    really hugh


     


    sure sounded like U were


     


    all I did was make the point


     


    '' sox will hit


     


    it's not uncommon for older teams like the sox


     


    2 struggle in the cold weather''


     


    is it not the same point U made later in a different thread


     


     


     


    I'd rather be the 2nd oldest team in the league with more of the old players being veteran role players with a strong talented youthful core than being a very young team whose youth is not as talented. And even WORSE...I'd hate to be the OLDEST team with almost NO youth movement in the pipeline.


     


    That's the difference.


     


    I'd hate to be the OLDEST team with almost NO youth movement in the pipeline.


     


    how bout checking out the yanks


     


    pitching and getting back 2 me


     


    http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/2014.shtml#team_batting::none" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/2014.shtml#team_batting::none

     
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    I think Napoli agrees with ortiz that the sox need more power...


     
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    Re: We know that as a TEAM we have not yet started to HIT, with most INDIVIDUAL averages heading SOUTH....

    I mean what I say....not what you say.  The Sox have 94 million invested in their oldest 10 players, 6 starters.  Meanwhile the Yankees have 337 million invested into 8 starters out of their top 10.  And the 10 youngest on the Sox is a more impressive list than the youngest 10 on the Yankees.


    And by EVERY means that ranks prospects, youth, players, etc etc the Sox have a stronger farm and a stronger under 25 than the Yankees; and it isn't even close.


    I'm not discounting that the Yankees are a good team.  I'm not even complaining about them spending money, I APPLAUD IT.  The Yankees see overspending as an investment, making the playoffs and winning year in and year out sells jersey's and tickets and that justify an inflated payroll.  I view the Yankees no different than a corporation that spends money to make money.  Sure maybe stop and shop doesn't have the same profit margin as the bodega.....but they make TON more money overall.


    All I'm saying (and this in zero way is meant to insult the Yankees or try to suggest they are bad team) is that the Sox are much less reliant, and not as bogged down by their aged Veterans as other older teams are.  


    It's not just Ortiz that is struggling, it's the young players and injuries as well, and we have a hole we never filled in Ellsbury leaving.  But David Ortiz aside....there is no old veteran slumping, that is having any real affect on the Sox offense.  After AJP and Ortiz the next oldest regular is Napoli who has a .900 OPS the next 3 Nava, Sizemore, and Pedroia are all 31, 31, and 30 years old.


    2 of 3 who are somewhat struggling.  Those 3 are much more important than AJP, and one of them isn't even struggling.  I wouldn't call the 30 year old Dustin Pedroia and struggling veteran either. 


     


    It's the Sox YOUTH NOT AGE that is weighing the team down as well right now.  How about the 21 year old Phenom who has a .754 OPS; many would say is capable of much more than that.   The second youngest player in the lineup ROOKIE JBJ has a .642 OPS.  Then there is the 25 year old Will Middlebrooks who has been replaced by the .585 Herrera or the .333 Roberts who are 29 and 33 respectively.  Are you suggesting this 33 year old future bench player or a realsee is one of these older aging veterans that need to get going????


    Out of the aging players I'd say Only Ortiz and Napoli are significant contributors to the offense...and only one of those guys is struggling.  


    So while I do agree that the Sox will hit, it has nothing to do with being the second oldest team by median age.  

     
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