Re: Webster or Doubront?
posted at 3/12/2013 12:36 AM EDT
In response to makonikyman's comment:
1) My "lazy" comment was more directed at Geo, who always called Beckett fat, and now is OK with Doubie coming to camp out of shape in 2 of his first 3 seasons.
In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to bobbysu's comment:
Doubront's Out Pitch in the Minors was the Curveball, didn't throw this hard. Saw him. Dont understand why the Sox Coaching Staff or Catchers dont call for the curve more often. People forget his first start against Price, pitched darn good in Tampa a few years back.
Never give up on young Lefties, keep thinking of John Tudor.
K's are not overated, there will be situations in a game where you need the strikeout, compared to a Pitcher who pitches to contact. Could be the difference in a win.
I never said Ks weren't important, but many here over rate them.
Having a WHIP over 1.40 is not explained away by a bunch of K's.
He was not very good in 2012. None of our starters were. The fact that he might have been the most consistent out of the whole rotten bunch, is not a free ride to the next year's starting rotation, particularly when it's the second year out of his first three that he came to camp out of shape.
You know that Doubie must have heard the rumbings after coming to camp out of shape in 2011- a year he was out to win a spot in the bigs- and to me, it is very troubling that he didn't rededicate himself to put all the talk to rest. I don't get it. I don't like to reward laziness. It sets a bad example.
Doubie is 165 lbs moon. You really crack me up with some of the comments you post on here. Like you know the inner workings of the organization. How do you know that the red sox didn't tell him to gain weight? It's my guess they d like to see him closer to 180/190 instead of 165 so he could last the rigors of a 162 game schedule. Did you ever consider that as a possibility? Why do you assume that he's lazy when you really don't know a thing at all about him, or what the people who pay his salary want him to do? Do you have any clue moon how hard it is to get to the big leagues Moon? The work that it takes to get there? Before you call someone lazy, you should know the facts....
2) You don't have to be "fat" to be out of shape.
3) Keep pretending this kid doesn't have some issues, and maybe they will go away someday, if he matures.
4) I do know how hard it is to make the majors. I know how hard it is to even make a college team. That's one big reason Doubie irks me, when he has his big chance in 2011, he comes to camp way out of shape. Did he learn from his mistake? Apparently not, but maybe you are right. He added beef for the long season. It wouldn't be the first time that was used as a team strategy, but then it doesn't make sense that some people were upset at his state of health.
5) All I have been saying is that our starting staff was so bad last year, that I feel some people got all gah gah over Doubront's promising, but hardly impressive 2012 season.
Our rotation stunk last year from top to bottom, and yet I am hearing so much praise over a guy who did this:
4 Sox starters with over 100 IP:
3rd in ERA at 4.86.
4th in WHIP at a miserable 1.447 (All starters combined for 1.417.)
4th in OPS against at .775 (All starters were .790.)
OK, so he tied Morales with the best starter K rate of 9.3, but he also led all starters with the highest BB rate of 4.0. At best he was consistently mediocre last year. Yes, he's young and has some nasty stuff. He could turn out to be a very fine starter, and I'm sure many GM feel the same way. I was never for handing him away for nothing. I actually think packaging him with a couple other players could have netted us something very special and more of a sure bet.