Re: Webster or Doubront?
posted at 3/13/2013 9:00 AM EDT
You obviously don't like Doubront,
Wrong. I am just concerned more than you guys about his attitude.
...but are you saying he had the 2nd best rookie season for a Sox lefthanded starter in the last 40 years? Moret pitched half of his games as a reliever, so you can wipe him off the list. I'll give you Tudor.
I'm not saying he's the second best or 4th best or whatever. I was just providing a list of some of the lefties I could think of. Judge for yourself.
You don't think Doubront pitched well enough to be back as the 5th starter?
I never said that. I like Doubront better than Lackey and Dempster. I would not have signed Dempster. I think Doubront has a lot of value, and my idea was to packagae him with others to get better starter. I think many GMs value Felix very highly, but my concern about him coming to camp out of shape made me think it might be best to trade him now. I'm fine with him being our 4 or 5 starter this year. My issue has always been with the top of our rotation, and since we have several starters that seem like they could be fine #4-5 starters, I was hoping we could upgrade. To me, Doubront has the best trade value out of Lackey, Morales, Mortensen, Aceves, and maybe even Tazawa. With Webster and DLR in the wings, and this being a bridge year (don't kid yourself otherwise), I saw an opportunity to do better. Maybe you think there is nobody better than Doubront out there, but I think otherwise.
Young left handers who throw in the mid 90's don't grow on trees. You worry that he didn't come to spring training with 6 pack abs, so you assume he has a questionable work ethic, yet you wanted to trade arguably the Sox most talented player (Ellsbury) for Trevor "trainwreck" Bauer?
Ellsbury will be gone after this bridge year. It's a totally different issue.
Just an opinion, but Doubront seems to be a classic example of a guy who pitched better last year than his final "stats" indicated.
By listening to most posters here, I'd say he pitched worse than his 2012 numbers indicated, but then again 4.82/1.447 is pretty bad. (1.477 career and 1.714 in a tiny spring sample size this year.) I can imagine if I was saying we should trade a good Sox player for a pitcher who walked 4.o per 9 last year, you'd be bashing the idea.
He walked 2 or less in 17 of his starts. If I were to bet, I would say he may regress a little bit this year because of the significant innings increase, but this kid has a lot of talent. There are a lot of young lefties who have struggled with command in their careers who have plaques in Cooperstown, so maybe we should give the kid the benefit of the doubt, and not be so concerned about a "WHIP" that was slightly inflated for the simple fact that the guy seemed to walked batters in bunches when he lost his command.
WHIP has always been at the top of my list for pitchers- even higher than ERA. I'm not singling out a stat just to make a point.
I really don't see how you can be so down on a guy like Doubront, yet you would have given 90 million to a guy like Sanchez who has started 95 games over the last 3 years and has only 30 wins to show for it.
My top plan was not to sign Sanchez. All I said was that I'd rather have spent $100M on Sanchez than on Victorino, Dempster, Ortiz, and Drew. He'd be here beyond 2015, and he'd fill a need we have had for 5 years. None of the guys we signed filled one of our biggest 2 weaknesses: top SP and steady clean-up hitter.
If you'd rather have Dempster than Sanchez based on wins, then fine. Not me.