We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

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    We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

    These games are not being played "to win", and that's not what the fans want to see. The Middlebrooks/Bradley hole at the bottom of the lineup is very tough to overcome. How long do we have to watch the Sox play 6 (offensive) position players against 8?

     
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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

    not much longer, 2015

     
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    1-This fan doesn't really care about the record for 2014.  I'd like to win every game, but if need to lose a few more games to get better prepared for 2015, it doesn't bother me at all.

    2-I've always liked watching rookies develop.  And it is a bit like a savings account.  Every game you invest in them before they are ML-ready will benefit you down the line.

    3-And the AL kind of has 9 offensive players, not 8.

     

     
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    Newsflash:offense is down all over MLB and many winning teams have black holes in the 8/9 slot... some in more than that.

    Team OPS at....

    Slot:     6      7      8       9

    BOS  .616 .584 .576 .633

    OAK  .787 .622 .754 .686

    LAA  .713 .667 .697 .736

    BAL  .651 .717 .657 .656

    KCR  .760 .670 .733 .619

    SEA  .678 .663 .761 .548

    DET  .655 .723 .664 .640

    TOR .621 .762 .667 .583

    Red= within .040 or worse of our 9 slot OPS.

     

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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Newsflash:offense is down all over MLB and many winning teams have black holes in the 8/9 slot... some in more than that.

    Team OPS at....

    Slot:     6      7      8       9

    BOS  .616 .584 .576 .633

    OAK  .787 .622 .754 .686

    LAA  .713 .667 .697 .736

    BAL  .651 .717 .657 .656

    KCR  .760 .670 .733 .619

    SEA  .678 .663 .761 .548

    DET  .655 .723 .664 .640

    TOR .621 .762 .667 .583

    Red= within .040 or worse of our 9 slot OPS.

     

    Sox4ever




    and many winning teams have rotations made of pitchers with mediocre careers.  Yet fans will still insist you need All Star production coming from specific defensive positions, and a rotation of double-digit winning All Star caliber pitchers, and a closer with 99mph changeup, all are required in order to win, because that was how Bob Ryan told them it was done years ago...

     
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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

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    Newsflash:offense is down all over MLB and many winning teams have black holes in the 8/9 slot... some in more than that.

    Team OPS at....

    Slot:     6      7      8       9

    BOS  .616 .584 .576 .633

    OAK  .787 .622 .754 .686

    LAA  .713 .667 .697 .736

    BAL  .651 .717 .657 .656

    KCR  .760 .670 .733 .619

    SEA  .678 .663 .761 .548

    DET  .655 .723 .664 .640

    TOR .621 .762 .667 .583

    Red= within .040 or worse of our 9 slot OPS.

     

    Sox4ever




    and many winning teams have rotations made of pitchers with mediocre careers.  Yet fans will still insist you need All Star production coming from specific defensive positions, and a rotation of double-digit winning All Star caliber pitchers, and a closer with 99mph changeup, all are required in order to win, because that was how Bob Ryan told them it was done years ago...




    So true. I had the same argument with softy the clown over Wakefield. He claimed no championship winning team carried a SP in their rotation with a 5.00 ERA. 

    I dug up the data to show that almost every AL Championship team in that era won with 1 or 2 SP'ers with a 5.00 ERA. I also showed that many teams had #3 or 4 starters with worse numbers than Wake, but the crusade continued. His other crusade was against our back-up catcher (VTek).

     

     
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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

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    These games are not being played "to win", and that's not what the fans want to see. The Middlebrooks/Bradley hole at the bottom of the lineup is very tough to overcome. How long do we have to watch the Sox play 6 (offensive) position players against 8?




    If you include Xander, it would be 5 against 8. Why does Xander get a pass?  Oh, I forgot, it's the hype.

     
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    These games are not being played "to win", and that's not what the fans want to see. The Middlebrooks/Bradley hole at the bottom of the lineup is very tough to overcome. How long do we have to watch the Sox play 6 (offensive) position players against 8?

     

     



    If you include Xander, it would be 5 against 8. Why does Xander get a pass?  Oh, I forgot, it's the hype.

     



    It is also it is because he isn't nearly as bad as Bradley Jr or Middlebrooks.  his BA is 70 points higher than Middlebrooks and 30 points higher than Bradley Jr. His OPS is 100 points higher than Middlebrooks and 70 points higher than Bradley Jr.

    I imagine if all three were hitting the same they would all be judged the same, but they arent'

     
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    These games are not being played "to win", and that's not what the fans want to see. The Middlebrooks/Bradley hole at the bottom of the lineup is very tough to overcome. How long do we have to watch the Sox play 6 (offensive) position players against 8?

     

     



    If you include Xander, it would be 5 against 8. Why does Xander get a pass?  Oh, I forgot, it's the hype.

     



    It is also it is because he isn't nearly as bad as Bradley Jr or Middlebrooks.  his BA is 70 points higher than Middlebrooks and 30 points higher than Bradley Jr. His OPS is 100 points higher than Middlebrooks and 70 points higher than Bradley Jr.

    I imagine if all three were hitting the same they would all be judged the same, but they arent'



    You're right. Bogey is hitting .231 with an OPB OF .294. What was I thinking? Those are definitely not 'BLACK HOLE' numbers.

     
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    Middy only has 121 PAs this year, so his .542 OPS needs a little context. JBJ's .570 and Bogey's .640 are with much bigger sample sizes, but both are in their first full season in MLB. They should be afforded a learning curve, don't you think?

    By the way, here are some numbers of players on the best teams in the AL this year:

    Oakland:

    .564 Soqard 

    .601 Callaspo

    .625 Gentry

    .671 Lowrie

    LAA

    .523 Ibanez

    .623 Conger

    .680 Aybar

    .696 Freese

    BAL

    .576 Flaherty

    .603 Schoop

    .620 Lough

    .695 C Davis

    .702 Joseph & .709 Hardy

    ( 6 of their top 12 PA players are under .710.)

    KCR

    .652  Moustakas

    .653 Infante

    .680 Aoki

    .685 Escobar

    .689 Hosmer

    .691 Dyson

    .709 Butler

    .717 Perez

    (8 of KC's starting 9 have an OPS below .718, including 6 below .692!)

    SEA (Besides the fact that all 3 of their players with 80-115 PAs having OPS between .540 and .583, many of the rest are pretty bad.)

    .545 Romero

    .592 Hart

    .598 Jones

    .608 Miller

    .630 Smoak

    .643 Bloomquist

    .646 Morrison

    .659 Chavez

    .680 Ackley

    .693 Zunino

    (11 of their top 14 PAs players are below .694.)

    Many playoff bound teams have multiple players with very bad offensive numbers.

    I'm not trying to minimize our offensive struggles.  However, a little context shows we are not as bad, comparatively, as many here seem to think.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Newsflash:offense is down all over MLB and many winning teams have black holes in the 8/9 slot... some in more than that.

    Team OPS at....

    Slot:     6      7      8       9

    BOS  .616 .584 .576 .633

    OAK  .787 .622 .754 .686

    LAA  .713 .667 .697 .736

    BAL  .651 .717 .657 .656

    KCR  .760 .670 .733 .619

    SEA  .678 .663 .761 .548

    DET  .655 .723 .664 .640

    TOR .621 .762 .667 .583

    Red= within .040 or worse of our 9 slot OPS.

     

    Sox4ever




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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

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    1-This fan doesn't really care about the record for 2014.  I'd like to win every game, but if need to lose a few more games to get better prepared for 2015, it doesn't bother me at all.

    2-I've always liked watching rookies develop.  And it is a bit like a savings account.  Every game you invest in them before they are ML-ready will benefit you down the line.

    3-And the AL kind of has 9 offensive players, not 8.

     

    [/QUOTEThe pitcher is hardly an offensive player, since he doesn't hit! I would like to see the rookises also, but I want to see the better ones. And that does not include Bradley and Middlebrooks. What I'm saying, is that the season is not over!!! They have not been mathematically eliminated!!! Benefit down the line? Bradley will be "Roberts" plater next year, or be gone. Middlebrooks will most likely be traded. Next year DOES NOT include those two players. So, why play them now?

     
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    These games are not being played "to win", and that's not what the fans want to see. The Middlebrooks/Bradley hole at the bottom of the lineup is very tough to overcome. How long do we have to watch the Sox play 6 (offensive) position players against 8?

     

     



    If you include Xander, it would be 5 against 8. Why does Xander get a pass?  Oh, I forgot, it's the hype.

     



    It is also it is because he isn't nearly as bad as Bradley Jr or Middlebrooks.  his BA is 70 points higher than Middlebrooks and 30 points higher than Bradley Jr. His OPS is 100 points higher than Middlebrooks and 70 points higher than Bradley Jr.

    I imagine if all three were hitting the same they would all be judged the same, but they arent'



    You're right. Bogey is hitting .231 with an OPB OF .294. What was I thinking? Those are definitely not 'BLACK HOLE' numbers.




    IMO, Bogey has potential. He is very young and, I think, a little cocky. He thinks he's Ozzie Smith, and he isn't. He's made some super playes, and he's hit some 430 ft home runs. He needs tutorinmg, and at least another year,

     
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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

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    Middy only has 121 PAs this year, so his .542 OPS needs a little context. JBJ's .570 and Bogey's .640 are with much bigger sample sizes, but both are in their first full season in MLB. They should be afforded a learning curve, don't you think?


    By the way, here are some numbers of players on the best teams in the AL this year:


    Oakland:


    .564 Soqard 


    .601 Callaspo


    .625 Gentry


    .671 Lowrie


    LAA


    .523 Ibanez


    .623 Conger


    .680 Aybar


    .696 Freese


    BAL


    .576 Flaherty


    .603 Schoop


    .620 Lough


    .695 C Davis


    .702 Joseph & .709 Hardy


    ( 6 of their top 12 PA players are under .710.)


    KCR


    .652  Moustakas


    .653 Infante


    .680 Aoki


    .685 Escobar


    .689 Hosmer


    .691 Dyson


    .709 Butler


    .717 Perez


    (8 of KC's starting 9 have an OPS below .718, including 6 below .692!)


    SEA (Besides the fact that all 3 of their players with 80-115 PAs having OPS between .540 and .583, many of the rest are pretty bad.)


    .545 Romero


    .592 Hart


    .598 Jones


    .608 Miller


    .630 Smoak


    .643 Bloomquist


    .646 Morrison


    .659 Chavez


    .680 Ackley


    .693 Zunino


    (11 of their top 14 PAs players are below .694.)


    Many playoff bound teams have multiple players with very bad offensive numbers.


    I'm not trying to minimize our offensive struggles.  However, a little context shows we are not as bad, comparatively, as many here seem to think.


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    You are absolutely right, and that's what so frustrating. We should be playing to win; not for 2015, and we ar only a player, or two away. That hole between the 5 and 9 hitters has cost us at least 15-20 games. And just because other teams may be playing someone who strikes out every other trip, and is sailing along at 0 for 35, doesn't mean we should have one, also.

     
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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

    any way you slice it using those numbers, the sox bottom 4 hitters are 200 pts below every other team on that list or .05 each.

     
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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

    In response to Joebreidey's comment:

    1-This fan doesn't really care about the record for 2014.  I'd like to win every game, but if need to lose a few more games to get better prepared for 2015, it doesn't bother me at all.

    2-I've always liked watching rookies develop.  And it is a bit like a savings account.  Every game you invest in them before they are ML-ready will benefit you down the line.

    3-And the AL kind of has 9 offensive players, not 8.

     




    They sure do put 9 real "hitters" in the lineup, Joe. My bo-boo. Just gettin' old, I guess (and frustrated)

     
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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

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    Newsflash:offense is down all over MLB and many winning teams have black holes in the 8/9 slot... some in more than that.

    Team OPS at....

    Slot:     6      7      8       9

    BOS  .616 .584 .576 .633

    OAK  .787 .622 .754 .686

    LAA  .713 .667 .697 .736

    BAL  .651 .717 .657 .656

    KCR  .760 .670 .733 .619

    SEA  .678 .663 .761 .548

    DET  .655 .723 .664 .640

    TOR .621 .762 .667 .583

    Red= within .040 or worse of our 9 slot OPS.

     

    Sox4ever




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    Thanks Moon, you've just proved the SOX have the worst numbers from 6-9. Now when one says the SOX have the worst bottom 4 in the league, it's not emotion, it's fact.

     
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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

    In response to BogieAt12oclock's comment:

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    Newsflash:offense is down all over MLB and many winning teams have black holes in the 8/9 slot... some in more than that.

    Team OPS at....

    Slot:     6      7      8       9

    BOS  .616 .584 .576 .633

    OAK  .787 .622 .754 .686

    LAA  .713 .667 .697 .736

    BAL  .651 .717 .657 .656

    KCR  .760 .670 .733 .619

    SEA  .678 .663 .761 .548

    DET  .655 .723 .664 .640

    TOR .621 .762 .667 .583

    Red= within .040 or worse of our 9 slot OPS.

     

    Sox4ever




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    Thanks Moon, you've just proved the SOX have the worst numbers from 6-9. Now when one says the SOX have the worst bottom 4 in the league, it's not emotion, it's fact.




    I wouldn't really argue a thread called 5 against 7 or 5 against 8, and while it's true our 8 vs 8 fall short in the 7-8 range, my point was to show that most other playoff bound AL teams have some pretty rotten numbers at most of the 6 through 9 slots as well.

    Of course, the bottom of our order has hurt this team, but so has the top and middle. None of the top teams in the AL are being carried by their 7-9 hitters and 5 of the top 7 teams by record in the AL have their 6th slot below a .714 OPS.

    Here's a better way to look at it...

    Slots 1-2  3-6  7-9

    BOS .681 .744 .600

    OAK .713 .774 .663

    BAL .779 .742 .684

    LAA .852 .716 .678

    KCR .648 .723 .679

    SEA .623 .722 .663

    DET .749 .813 .681

    TOR .761 .789 .678

    Yeah, the bottom of our order hurts us, but so does the top. 

    The middle is holding its own, especially 3-5.

    Why not start a thread 3 against 9?

     
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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

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    These games are not being played "to win", and that's not what the fans want to see. The Middlebrooks/Bradley hole at the bottom of the lineup is very tough to overcome. How long do we have to watch the Sox play 6 (offensive) position players against 8?




     




     




     





    If you include Xander, it would be 5 against 8. Why does Xander get a pass?  Oh, I forgot, it's the hype.


     


     


     


     




    It is also it is because he isn't nearly as bad as Bradley Jr or Middlebrooks.  his BA is 70 points higher than Middlebrooks and 30 points higher than Bradley Jr. His OPS is 100 points higher than Middlebrooks and 70 points higher than Bradley Jr.


     


    I imagine if all three were hitting the same they would all be judged the same, but they arent'


     




    You're right. Bogey is hitting .231 with an OPB OF .294. What was I thinking? Those are definitely not 'BLACK HOLE' numbers.


     




    I didn't say that now did I? I said Bradley and Middlebrooks were hitting much worse thas Bogaerts And they are. Would you compare a guy hitting .230 to a guy hitting 170 and say they hit the same? that is like saying a guy hitting .230 is hitting the same as a guy hitting .290.


     


    Sometimes things need to be dumbed down apparently.

     
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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

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    1-This fan doesn't really care about the record for 2014.  I'd like to win every game, but if need to lose a few more games to get better prepared for 2015, it doesn't bother me at all.

    2-I've always liked watching rookies develop.  And it is a bit like a savings account.  Every game you invest in them before they are ML-ready will benefit you down the line.

    3-And the AL kind of has 9 offensive players, not 8.

     

    [/QUOTEThe pitcher is hardly an offensive player, since he doesn't hit! I would like to see the rookises also, but I want to see the better ones. And that does not include Bradley and Middlebrooks. What I'm saying, is that the season is not over!!! They have not been mathematically eliminated!!! Benefit down the line? Bradley will be "Roberts" plater next year, or be gone. Middlebrooks will most likely be traded. Next year DOES NOT include those two players. So, why play them now?



    A number of fans here have said the same things about Nava.  But he has turned his season around beautifully.  Good thing they didn't bury him.

    Fans are impatient.  The guys that actually run the team don't have the same luxury.

     

     
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    Can we stop for a minute and have a quick reality check?  They DON'T play every game to win it.

    "They don't?!?!"

    No, they don't.  If they played every game to win it they'd never give a player a day off, because almost by definition the players on the bench aren't as good as the starting ten.  If they were playing every game to win it they'd put the same ten out there every day.  

    It's why every player gets days off.  It's why we don't run our ace pitcher and our closer out there every day.  It's why when we get involved in one of those 15 inning fiascos we use position players to pitch rather than using someone who's going to pitch the next day.  We want to win every day but we realize that if we put too many eggs into the same basket the handle falls off that basket sooner or later. 

    Instead we plan for the future by giving players days off and by limiting the number of appearances and/or pitches our pitchers can pitch.  Planning for the future is what's happening here on a grander scale.  The FO knows that this team is going no place this year so they're looking toward next year and in order to do it they need to see who they think can contribute and who can't.  They also need to let prospective trade partners look at our players in game situations - and we lose a few games in the process.  So what?  

    Yes, it's sometimes frustrating to watch - like when Bogaerts throws the ball to the wrong base and as a result we lose a game.  So we lost a meaningless game.  Again, so what?  If this is what it takes to put a better team on the field next year I can live with it.  

     

    Any owners who sign previously suspended PED abusers to a big $$ contract are as guilty of perpetuating the PED problem as are the players.

    And I have never posted here under any other names.

     
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    1-This fan doesn't really care about the record for 2014.  I'd like to win every game, but if need to lose a few more games to get better prepared for 2015, it doesn't bother me at all.

    2-I've always liked watching rookies develop.  And it is a bit like a savings account.  Every game you invest in them before they are ML-ready will benefit you down the line.

    3-And the AL kind of has 9 offensive players, not 8.

     

    [/QUOTEThe pitcher is hardly an offensive player, since he doesn't hit! I would like to see the rookises also, but I want to see the better ones. And that does not include Bradley and Middlebrooks. What I'm saying, is that the season is not over!!! They have not been mathematically eliminated!!! Benefit down the line? Bradley will be "Roberts" plater next year, or be gone. Middlebrooks will most likely be traded. Next year DOES NOT include those two players. So, why play them now?



    DH?

     
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    These games are not being played "to win", and that's not what the fans want to see. The Middlebrooks/Bradley hole at the bottom of the lineup is very tough to overcome. How long do we have to watch the Sox play 6 (offensive) position players against 8?






     






     






     







    If you include Xander, it would be 5 against 8. Why does Xander get a pass?  Oh, I forgot, it's the hype.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     




    It is also it is because he isn't nearly as bad as Bradley Jr or Middlebrooks.  his BA is 70 points higher than Middlebrooks and 30 points higher than Bradley Jr. His OPS is 100 points higher than Middlebrooks and 70 points higher than Bradley Jr.


     


     


     


     


    I imagine if all three were hitting the same they would all be judged the same, but they arent'


     


     


     




    You're right. Bogey is hitting .231 with an OPB OF .294. What was I thinking? Those are definitely not 'BLACK HOLE' numbers.


     


     


     




    I didn't say that now did I? I said Bradley and Middlebrooks were hitting much worse thas Bogaerts And they are. Would you compare a guy hitting .230 to a guy hitting 170 and say they hit the same? that is like saying a guy hitting .230 is hitting the same as a guy hitting .290.


     


     


     


    Sometimes things need to be dumbed down apparently.




    Love yourself much? Btw, may I call you Syco?

     
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    These games are not being played "to win", and that's not what the fans want to see. The Middlebrooks/Bradley hole at the bottom of the lineup is very tough to overcome. How long do we have to watch the Sox play 6 (offensive) position players against 8?




     




     




     





    If you include Xander, it would be 5 against 8. Why does Xander get a pass?  Oh, I forgot, it's the hype.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    It is also it is because he isn't nearly as bad as Bradley Jr or Middlebrooks.  his BA is 70 points higher than Middlebrooks and 30 points higher than Bradley Jr. His OPS is 100 points higher than Middlebrooks and 70 points higher than Bradley Jr.

     

     

     

     

    I imagine if all three were hitting the same they would all be judged the same, but they arent'

     

     

     



    You're right. Bogey is hitting .231 with an OPB OF .294. What was I thinking? Those are definitely not 'BLACK HOLE' numbers.

     

     

     



    I didn't say that now did I? I said Bradley and Middlebrooks were hitting much worse thas Bogaerts And they are. Would you compare a guy hitting .230 to a guy hitting 170 and say they hit the same? that is like saying a guy hitting .230 is hitting the same as a guy hitting .290.

     

     

     

    Sometimes things need to be dumbed down apparently.



    Btw, Bradley is batting .212. That's not the same as .170 either. So, please, let's compromise and just admit that all three, Middy, Bradley, and Bogey, all suck as hitters. In fact, they should be referred to as 'batters.' They haven't earned the title 'hitters.'

     
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    Re: We're playing 6 against 8; how much longer?

    In response to BogieAt12oclock's comment:

    In response to SinceYaz's comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Newsflash:offense is down all over MLB and many winning teams have black holes in the 8/9 slot... some in more than that.

    Team OPS at....

    Slot:     6      7      8       9

    BOS  .616 .584 .576 .633

    OAK  .787 .622 .754 .686

    LAA  .713 .667 .697 .736

    BAL  .651 .717 .657 .656

    KCR  .760 .670 .733 .619

    SEA  .678 .663 .761 .548

    DET  .655 .723 .664 .640

    TOR .621 .762 .667 .583

    Red= within .040 or worse of our 9 slot OPS.

     

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    Moon,

     

       You startle again with information that is beyond the hype or emotion!    



    Thanks Moon, you've just proved the SOX have the worst numbers from 6-9. Now when one says the SOX have the worst bottom 4 in the league, it's not emotion, it's fact.




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    It isn't emotion.  It has been a tough reality this season.  I guess I was surprised that so many other teams have been doing to poorly as well.  It is hard to imagine the numbers when as a lifetime of following the Sox, we have usually had some fairly strong offense.  Weak is tough to handle.  I hope that Craig lengthens the lineup when he comes back.  I also hope that some of our prospects begin to show up at the plate.  

     
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