Re: What about Salty?
posted at 11/8/2013 7:31 AM EST
In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:
In response to ma6dragon9's comment:
And Moon, nothing personal, the WAR stat is totally useless to me. Totally, utterly, and completely useless. I've said that for a few years now, so showing me how Stephen Drew rates on that broken scale does nothing for me. Reminds me of theo once saying "According to OUR metrics, JD Drew is worth a tick above what we're paying him." Drew is top ten in some broken stat?
Kozart, Aybar and Segura would be in the discussion as well. There are more "glove wizards" and blue-chippers I also don't know, but there's 12 SS I would absolutely put over him, 15 I probably would, and likely a few more...pushing Drew to somewhere around the 20th starting SS in baseball. HE is very replaceable while I fear Salty will be gone, and people will only see his value next pyear when some unprepared kid is up, or Ross is asked to play 120 games and people see why he's never been a starter.
Well if you don't like WAR, maybe you could explain what stats you're using to come up with your rankings.
First of all, there's no dispute that Drew was easily in the top 10 shortstops in 2013 for offensive production.
And all of his defensive stats were above average.
Your ranking system seems to be based on 'the guys I like' instead of actual numbers.
I look at a combination of games played, avg, obp, ops, an a smattering of other stats like hits, extra base hits, walk, Ks, etc. Basically, I go to yahoo, sort by position, then I can filter by any of about 20 different offensive stats.
As for defense...I don't use any stats, I've always gone with what I see, and have not had an issue with it before. We all know GOOD defense when we see it, we all know BAD defense when we see it. Drew was neither. He was somewhere between very solid, and good, defensively. Range - ok. Hands - pretty good. Feet - definitely above average. He's fine.
Offensively? Wholly underwhelming.
- 19th in at bats, which given his age and injury history, makes me less than comfortable trusting him for a whole season.
- his .253 avg didn't qualify as he didn't reach the minimum 502 ABs (see above), but avg, alone, slotted with the qualifying players ranks him 11 out of 19.
- had the 21st most hits of any ss in baseball (meaning a few with less ABs had more hits)
- 22nd in games played
- 50 extra base hits (8 triples!) which puts him about 8th overall, and is his one saving grace
- his .777 ops would put him 4th if he qualified.
Looking at all that, I'd say he is far from EASILY a top ten offensive SS.
He piled up most of his stats during half of his playing time, during the other half he was awful. He's a player who seems to be on the decline, whether age or injury history.
I fall back to what I originally said: Drew, to me, is very replaceable. Moving, or delaying, Bogaerts for even a month at this point is foolish. How'd that work out for the Ellsbury/Cameron dynamic again? Not only was Cameron bad, it ran Ellsbury into a granite block 3rd baseman, lose-lose. And, seemingly, they are trying to make that same mistake. I may be wrong, maybe they just want the draft pick and don't even want him back. But if they WANT him back, I find that utterly foolish.