Re: What are your expectations of Xander offensively and defensively?
posted at 2/18/2014 9:29 PM EST
They aren't putting him at SS to "gain on the league average offensively." Sox infield instructor Brian Butterfield is "convinced" that he'll stick at SS and your "opinion" that he'll be a better 3rd baseman is just that. It would also be beneficial for the Sox if he can stick at SS, because unlike you, the Sox haven't given up on Middlebrooks as the 3rd baseman of the future.
1) I trust non organizational scouting opinions over a Sox instructor with an agenda. (I'm not doubting that Butterfield is telling the truth, but he'd probably say something like what he said, even if he didn't believe it.)
2) I have not "given up on Middlebrooks", in fact, I have been saying that if we sign Drew, Bogey should start in AAA (at 3B), and Middy given a long look at 3B. This would also give us an extra year of control of Bogey as well as an excellent left-side depth.
3) I have serious doubts about Middy's defense at 3B, and I think he may be the 1Bman of our future after Naps' contract ends.
4) I have repeatedly stated that I have not seen bogey enough to have a real opinion on his fielding, and have been concerned about his fielding at SS from reading almost every scouting report, even very recent ones, say the code words "may move to another position" over and over.
5) I liked Middy's defense in 2012, but he looked way worse in 2013. I realize he was battling injuries and sophomore adjustments. I have faith in Middy, but see Bogey as the better 3Bman after a short learning curve, and Middy as a better 1Bman than 3Bman eventually.
6) Yes, it's my opinion, and I have been wrong about fielding expectations many times.
Cecchini is obviously another possibility if Middlebrooks doesn't pan out, so it would obviously help solve some logjam problems if Bogaerts can stick at SS.
Agreed, but he supposedly has fielding issues as well and may end up at 1B or OF.
Also, just because YOU feel that you need an All World defensive shortstop to win Championships, it doesn't mean it's a philosophy shared by the Sox Organization.
1) I do not think we "need" a great defensive fielder to win a ring. We have won 3 without one.
2) I have never pretended to think the Sox organization feels the same way as I do: obviously, they do not.
3) I have admitted I have a bias towards great SS fielding, and certainly i value it more than most posters here and Sox management. I do not pretend to be better than Ben. He has proven to be a very good GM.
I think you are getting a little too caught up in the stats. You need a certain amount of offensive production in a line-up, regardless of what "position" it comes from.
Scouting reports are not stats.
My point about comparative positional offense is this: Bogey hitting an .815 OPS from the SS position is about 100 points above the league norm, but only 60 points above the league 3B norm. Certainly, his offensive value is better placed at SS not 3B, since it is easier, especially for our team to find a capable hitting 3Bman than a good hitting SS.
Bogey's offensive value should offset (and then some) any defficiency on defense. He will be an overall plus in 2014, in my opinion. I'm happy with Bogey at SS and Middy at 3B. I am against signing Drew. I like Cecchini as our 3B depth. I like Herrera as our utility guy. I'm not calling for moving Bogey right now. The talk of moving Bogey was in the context of signing Drew- which I'm against, so in a way, you are arguing a moot point.
In general, I think Bogey, after a short time, could and would be a better 3Bman than SS. I feel the same about Middy at 1b instead of 3B, but I admit I am no expert on their skills or projected improvement possibilities.