What do you miss about Wakefield?

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    I miss your endless sophomoric rants about him. Oh wait yiu're still posting them... never mind.

     
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    spam

     
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    I miss the spirit of a teammate that says, "I'll do whatever you want to help the team win."

        

    I miss the spirit of a man who says, "OK, I'll play for the same amount today as the last several years, just as long as I can pitch and help."   No need to negotiate a contract,a handshake and a verbal understanding was accepted as SOP.  I miss his willingness in a world filled to the rafters with legal wording and agents who "sought the best" for their  client, that Wake said, in action, dollars and sense, that the team came first. 

     
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    I miss the days when real men didnt hide behind a keyboard bashing people and calling people childish names.

     
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    I miss the spirit of a teammate that says, "I'll do whatever you want to help the team win."

        

    I miss the spirit of a man who says, "OK, I'll play for the same amount today as the last several years, just as long as I can pitch and help."   No need to negotiate a contract,a handshake and a verbal understanding was accepted as SOP.  I miss his willingness in a world filled to the rafters with legal wording and agents who "sought the best" for their  client, that Wake said, in action, dollars and sense, that the team came first. 



    Well said.

     
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    I really dont miss him...

     
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    I miss the days when real men didnt hide behind a keyboard bashing people and calling people childish names.

     



    I agree....however you're assuming he's a man.....

     




    good point

     
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    Beneath even you.

     
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    In response to SinceYaz's comment:

    I miss the spirit of a teammate that says, "I'll do whatever you want to help the team win."

        

    I miss the spirit of a man who says, "OK, I'll play for the same amount today as the last several years, just as long as I can pitch and help."   No need to negotiate a contract,a handshake and a verbal understanding was accepted as SOP.  I miss his willingness in a world filled to the rafters with legal wording and agents who "sought the best" for their  client, that Wake said, in action, dollars and sense, that the team came first. 



    +1  Great answer!

     
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    wake was a selfless guy at times, and other times he was all about himself...as usual these posts are lacking in perspective...he wasnt just the guy who sacrificed himself to get slauightered by the yanks in the postseaso and saved the pitching core for an epic comeback - he was also not just the guy who was delusional in his last days trying to get that last win by convincing himself the fans "deserved" it...

    the sum of a guy is what's important and he served the Sox well except for his last few years (minus-the all start first half)

     

     
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    I miss watching him cover first.




    Wakefield lost a lot of my respect when he told the media that the fans "deserved to watch me win my 200th game". And I thought this was a team sport where team wins came first. How many attempts did it take him to win his 200th game? Eight? Or was it 10.....while his team was undergoing a choke job for the ages. No, it wasn't all his fault, but while that was going on I certainly did not want to hear his selfish arrogant rant.

     
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    Exactly! As he got his rear handed to him start after start and saying "we deserved" to see him win #200 I gave up on him. I had always supported him until those slew of horrid starts in pursuit of #200 helped to bring about the ultimate demise to the team. It was during this "streak" the team started to slip.




    To be fair, only part of that debacle was his-the part where he actually verbalized his view about what "the fans deserved" and IMO the fact that he didn't tell his manager that he wanted NOT to start any more because he was hurting the team in his quest for #200. Francona also shares some blame for that monumental choke job by sending Wakefield back out there time after time, loss after loss, so that his personal goal could be achieved, no matter how much it hurt the team. Before Wakefield uttered that selfish statement I had nothing but respect for the man, but after that I realized that, in fact, he was more about personal goals than about his team winning games.

     
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    wake was a selfless guy at times, and other times he was all about himself...as usual these posts are lacking in perspective...he wasnt just the guy who sacrificed himself to get slauightered by the yanks in the postseaso and saved the pitching core for an epic comeback - he was also not just the guy who was delusional in his last days trying to get that last win by convincing himself the fans "deserved" it...

    the sum of a guy is what's important and he served the Sox well except for his last few years (minus-the all start first half)

     




    sounds about right. He showed how much of a "team guy" he could be, but at the end it was all about HIS record.

     
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    I miss the spirit of a teammate that says, "I'll do whatever you want to help the team win."

        

    I miss the spirit of a man who says, "OK, I'll play for the same amount today as the last several years, just as long as I can pitch and help."   No need to negotiate a contract,a handshake and a verbal understanding was accepted as SOP.  I miss his willingness in a world filled to the rafters with legal wording and agents who "sought the best" for their  client, that Wake said, in action, dollars and sense, that the team came first. 



    Well put, and from the "union slug" basher, you'd think he'd respect Wake's choice of not having an agent. Wake played many seasons at less money than his numbers demanded.

    One continuing softy rant was that no team kept a 5+ ERA guy around for long, and that the minors were full of pitchers that could easily pitch below a 5.00 ERA- plus could be plucked easily from other team's rosters. I provided a list if 40+ MLB SPs that all had an ERA over 5.00 and 10+ starts. I provided a list of the past 10 AL champions, and all but one team had a SP with significant starts and an ERA over 5.00. I think two teams had 2 over 5.00. softy never even responded to being exposed.

    softy used the look at the game logs argument, so I did just that. I provided a detailed game by game log of Wake's IP, H, BB, ER and other notes. It showed that even in Wakes final 2-3 years, he pitched better than his ERA number indicated. He ofter had poor run support, poor defense behind him, or a catcher who could not catch his knucklball.

    Wake was a great community person, something softy abhors- possibly thinking it's socialism or something- a concept he has never fully understood. softy called for Wake's removal from the roster beginning in the winter before 2008. This was after winning 17 games. Wake then went on to pitch his best 50 straight starts of his career from 2008 to his allstar year of 2009 (before his injury). As with every softy misjudgement, when a player shows him up and does much better than he suggested he'd do, instead of admitting a mistake and enjoying a player (on his supposed team he roots for) exceed his expectaions, instead he ramps up the vitriol, seeks out obsure data, harps on tiny sample size stretches, or obsesses with a players belly or something else. This is something softy has repeated since day one on this board. Once he dislikes a player, nothing that player does can be seen in a positive light. VTek's being one of MLB best back-up catchers was never enough. Ellsbury's great 2011 season? Just a product of having a couple great hitters 3 and 4 slots down in the line-up and a contstructed lie about Jacoby seeing more fastballs than in previous years. When exposed with this lie, he conviently gets banned, begins a new identity, and pretends he it either not softy anymore, or never said the lie to begin with. Eventually the lie morphs into a bigger lie along with more lies that go along with the first lie, all the while he continues preaching about the lost morals and ethics of today's society.

    When I call him a clown for this clownish behavior or a liar for his pathological lying, he, yes the lovable saint named softy- the guy who never calls anyone names and is always so kind to everyone here, calls me a "bully"!

    I'd say calling him a clown is pretty tame when compared to all the names he's hurled at nearly everyone here.

     
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    I miss the spirit of a teammate that says, "I'll do whatever you want to help the team win."

    I miss the spirit of a man who says, "OK, I'll play for the same amount today as the last several years, just as long as I can pitch and help."   No need to negotiate a contract,a handshake and a verbal understanding was accepted as SOP.  I miss his willingness in a world filled to the rafters with legal wording and agents who "sought the best" for their  client, that Wake said, in action, dollars and sense, that the team came first. 

    Well put, and from the "union slug" basher, you'd think he'd respect Wake's choice of not having an agent. Wake played many seasons at less money than his numbers demanded.

    One continuing softy rant was that no team kept a 5+ ERA guy around for long, and that the minors were full of pitchers that could easily pitch below a 5.00 ERA- plus could be plucked easily from other team's rosters. I provided a list if 40+ MLB SPs that all had an ERA over 5.00 and 10+ starts. I provided a list of the past 10 AL champions, and all but one team had a SP with significant starts and an ERA over 5.00. I think two teams had 2 over 5.00. softy never even responded to being exposed.

    softy used the look at the game logs argument, so I did just that. I provided a detailed game by game log of Wake's IP, H, BB, ER and other notes. It showed that even in Wakes final 2-3 years, he pitched better than his ERA number indicated. He ofter had poor run support, poor defense behind him, or a catcher who could not catch his knucklball.

    Wake was a great community person, something softy abhors- possibly thinking it's socialism or something- a concept he has never fully understood. softy called for Wake's removal from the roster beginning in the winter before 2008. This was after winning 17 games. Wake then went on to pitch his best 50 straight starts of his career from 2008 to his allstar year of 2009 (before his injury). As with every softy misjudgement, when a player shows him up and does much better than he suggested he'd do, instead of admitting a mistake and enjoying a player (on his supposed team he roots for) exceed his expectaions, instead he ramps up the vitriol, seeks out obsure data, harps on tiny sample size stretches, or obsesses with a players belly or something else. This is something softy has repeated since day one on this board. Once he dislikes a player, nothing that player does can be seen in a positive light. VTek's being one of MLB best back-up catchers was never enough. Ellsbury's great 2011 season? Just a product of having a couple great hitters 3 and 4 slots down in the line-up and a contstructed lie about Jacoby seeing more fastballs than in previous years. When exposed with this lie, he conviently gets banned, begins a new identity, and pretends he it either not softy anymore, or never said the lie to begin with. Eventually the lie morphs into a bigger lie along with more lies that go along with the first lie, all the while he continues preaching about the lost morals and ethics of today's society.

    When I call him a clown for this clownish behavior or a liar for his pathological lying, he, yes the lovable saint named softy- the guy who never calls anyone names and is always so kind to everyone here, calls me a "bully"!

    I'd say calling him a clown is pretty tame when compared to all the names he's hurled at nearly everyone here.

    Hey Moon, 

    Great concise writeup about Softy. How many incarnations for him up to now, who knows. Of late of course he was looking for a truce but it was just more of the same stuff. His posts are meaningless drivel as usual. Wasn't he the one that coined "Wastefield". Critisizing athletes is one thing if you're going to base it on facts but to just post because of dislike/hatred as he did with Ells just shows his true colours. As I've written on the site before I like a good argument or debate but name calling is something I can't and won't put up with. At that point I point out the party involved and do my own deserved name calling.

    Hetch 

     
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    I miss the dumb things announcers would say , like " The best way to catch a knuckleball is to pick it up after it stops rolling."  Or , when the pitching coach would visit the mound , " what can he say to a knuckleballer?"  Or , " pitch count does not matter with a knuckleballer , he could pitch every day."   You could count on these every time Wakefield pitched.

     
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    Exactly! As he got his rear handed to him start after start and saying "we deserved" to see him win #200 I gave up on him. I had always supported him until those slew of horrid starts in pursuit of #200 helped to bring about the ultimate demise to the team. It was during this "streak" the team started to slip.



    His previous 8 games up to his 200th and after 199:

    IP   H  ER  BB

    7.0 3    3  2   Team lost 3-1  *Totally "horrid", right burr?

    6.2  5   3  2   Team won 4-3 *Horrid? He left after 7 IP and 3 ER. 

    7.0  8   3   0   Team won 8-6 * Horrid? (2 unearned runs- Wake leaves w gm tied)

    8.0  9   4   2   Team lost 5-3 *Horrid? (3 runs scored in 3rd with 2 E's and 2 GB hits, another run scored because the hobbled Youk allows an IF hit.)  

    5.1  9   4   0   Team lost 9-4 *This was horrid but 1 of Wake's ERs was allowed to score when Albers cam in and imploded. Wake left the game with the lead 4-2 and 1 on. But, I guess he deserved all the blame for this loss in yours and softy's eyes. 

    4.0  8   4  2    Team lost 15-5 * This looks horrid too, but 3 runs score after a dropped 3rs strike with 2 outs.

    4.0  3   0   0   Team lost 10-0 *Wake pitches very well in 4 innings of relief.

    5.0  3   4   3   Team lost 11-10 * 1 Unearned run scores of Wake in 1st, 1 ER scores on steal of home, Wake leaves the game ahead 8-5 and Bard implodes handing the Jays the win. I guess you blame Wake for this loss as well.

     

    Burr, get your facts and memory straight before you jump on softy's bashwagon.

     

     
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    wake was a selfless guy at times, and other times he was all about himself...as usual these posts are lacking in perspective...he wasnt just the guy who sacrificed himself to get slauightered by the yanks in the postseaso and saved the pitching core for an epic comeback - he was also not just the guy who was delusional in his last days trying to get that last win by convincing himself the fans "deserved" it...

    the sum of a guy is what's important and he served the Sox well except for his last few years (minus-the all start first half)

     

     




    sounds about right. He showed how much of a "team guy" he could be, but at the end it was all about HIS record.

     



    So wrong southie. I'm surprised.

     
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    Hey Moon, 

    Great concise writeup about Softy. How many incarnations for him up to now, who knows. Of late of course he was looking for a truce but it was just more of the same stuff. His posts are meaningless drivel as usual. Wasn't he the one that coined "Wastefield". Critisizing athletes is one thing if you're going to base it on facts but to just post because of dislike/hatred as he did with Ells just shows his true colours. As I've written on the site before I like a good argument or debate but name calling is something I can't and won't put up with. At that point I point out the party involved and do my own deserved name calling.

    Hetch 

    Here's another example: Lowell.

    The winter before his last season, softy wanted Mike to DH vs LHPs and play 3B for some vs RHPs. He later denied this.

    Then, as the season went on, he relentlessly bashed Mike up and down. I suggested the reason he was being kept on the roster was as insurance in case our 1Bman, 3Bman or DH got hurt. I never said I thought he was good insurance, but just offered the reason he was sticking around. softy went off the deep end, calling it "AIG Insurance" and blasting mefor wanting Lowell (misrepresenting my position for about the 100.000th time). When indeed someone did get hurt, Lowell played.

    The worst part about this whole scene was that after Mike retired, softy said he was one of his "favorite players". 

    And, he wonders why I call him a clown.

     
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