What happens when Bogaerts gets promotion to AAA?

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    What happens when Bogaerts gets promotion to AAA?

    With Drew staying in town for a year, Iggy is slotted to start in the minors once again and likely open the 2013 season with the Pawtucket Red Sox manning the SS position.  And let's not forget that we have another highly touted prospect on the rise who happens to have the same position as Iggy right at this moment and considered as #1 prospect of this organization who will most likely start the season with AA team.  Bogaerts was so good last season that he had to split time between Salem and Portland and he will likely do the same this year but in the higher levels this season.  If Bogaerts continues where he was left off last season (92 ABs/ 5 HRs/ 17 RBIs/ .326 AVG/ .598 SLG/ .948 OPS), he will get promoted early in the season. If that's the case, is he going be challenged to play different position at Pawtucket or is Iggy going to sit?

     
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    Re: What happens when Bogaerts gets promotion to AAA?

    I doubt we see Bogy until a september call up.

     
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    They will DH him and have him play third and second.

     
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    They should move Boggy to 3B or 1B. End of logjam at SS in AAA. Hurries up the inevitable as well.

     
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    Re: What happens when Bogaerts gets promotion to AAA?

    he has very limited time in AA so far. unless he sets an extreme pace and mashes the ball in AA i would imagine he won't even be thought about in AAA until midseason at least. And a lot of things can happen between now and then... iggy/drew could get injured which would move everyone up a slot, the sox can fall out of contention and they could bring up iggy for the rest of the year. Drew could be traded etc..

    worse case (in regards to XB): Him and Iggy are both on the AAA roster and he has to play a corner position. Which isn't all bad, he definitely has the ability to do so. and its not like iggy can play any other position. A lot of people see him on another position than SS anyway so it could work out good for everyone. There is definitely no reason to hold him back (if worthy) because SS is filled up. If his bat is ready for AAA then find a spot for him to play. His value will be in his bat not his glove so we need to bring the stick along as it's ready.

     
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    Re: What happens when Bogaerts gets promotion to AAA?

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    They should move Boggy to 3B or 1B. End of logjam at SS in AAA. Hurries up the inevitable as well.



    Perhaps some time in LF.

    It would not be totally unprecedented for Boggie to be promoted from AA ball to Fenway especially if you have Iggy playing SS regularly with the PawSox.

     
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    They should move Boggy to 3B or 1B. End of logjam at SS in AAA. Hurries up the inevitable as well.

     



    Perhaps some time in LF.

     

    It would not be totally unprecedented for Boggie to be promoted from AA ball to Fenway especially if you have Iggy playing SS regularly with the PawSox.




    I agree. Bogy makes the most sense, IMO, in LF.

     
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    They should move Boggy to 3B or 1B. End of logjam at SS in AAA. Hurries up the inevitable as well.

     



    Perhaps some time in LF.

     

    It would not be totally unprecedented for Boggie to be promoted from AA ball to Fenway especially if you have Iggy playing SS regularly with the PawSox.



    also a possibility... but i'm wary of prospects skipping a level. The whole point of the minors is to build up. thats why there is 7 different levels. build up build up build up your skills until your ready to make an impact in the majors.. Now, thats not to say its impossible to be MLB ready while in AA but a lot of things can go wrong

     
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    They should move Boggy to 3B or 1B. End of logjam at SS in AAA. Hurries up the inevitable as well.

     



    Perhaps some time in LF.

     

    It would not be totally unprecedented for Boggie to be promoted from AA ball to Fenway especially if you have Iggy playing SS regularly with the PawSox.

     



    also a possibility... but i'm wary of prospects skipping a level. The whole point of the minors is to build up. thats why there is 7 different levels. build up build up build up your skills until your ready to make an impact in the majors.. Now, thats not to say its impossible to be MLB ready while in AA but a lot of things can go wrong

     



    Theres no need to rush anyone. X still needs some work at the plate and defensive work. Weve got the positions filled and he will certainly get his shot soon enough. maybe 2014 if his performance warrants it...A Sept. call-up is realistic.

     
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    Re: What happens when Bogaerts gets promotion to AAA?

    This is what will happen... He packs his suitcase. Says goodbye to his friends in Portland. Hops a bus, Peter Pan, Greyhound or Other. (That's the big question - WHICH ONE???)

    Then, he walks into the Pawtucket Clubhouse, and says "Hello, you can call me...X."

    Of course, other things happen too. Gets a sandwich, goes to the bathroom, etc...That is what happens when he is moved up.

    Any more questions? - You're welcome.

     
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    In response to southpaw777's comment:

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    They should move Boggy to 3B or 1B. End of logjam at SS in AAA. Hurries up the inevitable as well.

     



    Perhaps some time in LF.

     

    It would not be totally unprecedented for Boggie to be promoted from AA ball to Fenway especially if you have Iggy playing SS regularly with the PawSox.

     




    I agree. Bogy makes the most sense, IMO, in LF.

     



    Agreed, Southpaw.  It sounds like he will be given every opportunity this spring to play SS, with left field the backup plan.  He's blocked at 3rd right now (likely for the foreseeable future) and it sounded to me like 1st would never even be a consideration.  Alot can obviously change, but right now it seems that it's SS with left as plan B.

     
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    If Bogaret is going to get promoted to play SS at the AAA level while Iggy continue to struggle at the AAA such as he cant still hit, then Boston can trade Iggy away during the 2013 season!!!!

    No big deal.  If Drew have a good year at the same time both farm system SS's isnt ready to play in 2014 season, Boston can alway try to resign Drew for another year.

     

     
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    I can't wait to see him play in Portland, but I think a decision needs to be made sooner than later. If the Sox organization truly believes that Iglesias is the SS of the future than they need to start having Bogaerts play another position. Also, Middlebrooks is the third baseman of the future, and Pedroia isn't going anywhere any time soon..... Should be interesting, wonder if he can play any 1B.

     
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    unless the RS show an inclination to defensive merits, I think Iggy is traded. X and Marrero will pass by him in the next 2 years, and Vinicio in 3

     
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    Re: What happens when Bogaerts gets promotion to AAA?

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    They should move Boggy to 3B or 1B. End of logjam at SS in AAA. Hurries up the inevitable as well.




    In the end it's also about his arbitration clock...which is why most teams try to promote players based on skill and readiness to play at the big league level, but also ensuring they they have them under the teams control for their peak prime seasons...

    Xander is 20 years old turns 21 in October...So his accent to the big leagues likely is still at least two years away 2015 or 2016 when he'll be 22 or 23...Meaning that he'll be under the teams control through league ages 28 and 29. That's the reality of the business side of the game. As far as where he's best suited to play, they have the better part of the next two seasons to continue his development and my guess is that if he plays SS this year, that's the position they see him playing @ the big league level.

    IMHO the only way they call him up before 2015 and start his "clock" is if he pounds the door down...A proves to all that he's ready for the challenge and that he has nothing left to prove at the AAA level...meaning that his development curve once promoted is not a question of if, but when. There's no reason to prematurely start his arbitration clock to spend an entire season "learning" to adjust to the big leagues, lessons he could otherwise learn @ the minor league level.

     
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    In response to Beantowne's comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    They should move Boggy to 3B or 1B. End of logjam at SS in AAA. Hurries up the inevitable as well.

     




    In the end it's also about his arbitration clock...which is why most teams try to promote players based on skill and readiness to play at the big league level, but also ensuring they they have them under the teams control for their peak prime seasons...

     

    Xander is 20 years old turns 21 in October...So his accent to the big leagues likely is still at least two years away 2015 or 2016 when he'll be 22 or 23...Meaning that he'll be under the teams control through league ages 28 and 29. That's the reality of the business side of the game. As far as where he's best suited to play, they have the better part of the next two seasons to continue his development and my guess is that if he plays SS this year, that's the position they see him playing @ the big league level.

    IMHO the only way they call him up before 2015 and start his "clock" is if he pounds the door down...A proves to all that he's ready for the challenge and that he has nothing left to prove at the AAA level...meaning that his development curve once promoted is not a question of if, but when. There's no reason to prematurely start his arbitration clock to spend an entire season "learning" to adjust to the big leagues, lessons he could otherwise learn @ the minor league level.



    I think you are very mistaken on his ETA. Offensively, he is knocking on the door this year. He wouldn't be over matched offensively right now. Sure, he would have some ups and downs as pitchers adjust to him, but if the Sox are out of it by July, let him come up and get comfortable and be ready to take off in 2014. I also think IF he doesn't go from Portland to the RS directly, and makes a stop in Pawtucket, he plays SS, either demoting Iggy or trading Iggy

     
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    Psuedo prospect Iggy should accomodate major prospect Bogaerts, not the other way around.  Bogaerts should be given every chance to play MLB SS i.e. maximise his value.  If/when he proves he can't play SS you move him, not a moment sooner.

     
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    What happens when Bogaerts gets promotion to AAA?

    Iglesias will be gone by that time, IMO.

     
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    Re: What happens when Bogaerts gets promotion to AAA?

    In response to Beantowne's comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    They should move Boggy to 3B or 1B. End of logjam at SS in AAA. Hurries up the inevitable as well.

     




    In the end it's also about his arbitration clock...which is why most teams try to promote players based on skill and readiness to play at the big league level, but also ensuring they they have them under the teams control for their peak prime seasons...

     

    Xander is 20 years old turns 21 in October...So his accent to the big leagues likely is still at least two years away 2015 or 2016 when he'll be 22 or 23...Meaning that he'll be under the teams control through league ages 28 and 29. That's the reality of the business side of the game. As far as where he's best suited to play, they have the better part of the next two seasons to continue his development and my guess is that if he plays SS this year, that's the position they see him playing @ the big league level.

    IMHO the only way they call him up before 2015 and start his "clock" is if he pounds the door down...A proves to all that he's ready for the challenge and that he has nothing left to prove at the AAA level...meaning that his development curve once promoted is not a question of if, but when. There's no reason to prematurely start his arbitration clock to spend an entire season "learning" to adjust to the big leagues, lessons he could otherwise learn @ the minor league level.




    Also remember that it can go against his development if he stays in the minors too long as well. If X playes as good as he did last year, makes all the adjustments needed at AA and AAA, then 2014 is a realistic arrival time for him. Even if hes 21. Hes ready when hes ready. What they might do is delay his arb clock in 2014 by bringing him up after the start of the season.

    Bottom line is he should be ready come 2014 if he keeps on this pace.

     
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    Re: What happens when Bogaerts gets promotion to AAA?

    In response to Beantowne's comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    They should move Boggy to 3B or 1B. End of logjam at SS in AAA. Hurries up the inevitable as well.

     




    In the end it's also about his arbitration clock...which is why most teams try to promote players based on skill and readiness to play at the big league level, but also ensuring they they have them under the teams control for their peak prime seasons...

     

    Xander is 20 years old turns 21 in October...So his accent to the big leagues likely is still at least two years away 2015 or 2016 when he'll be 22 or 23...Meaning that he'll be under the teams control through league ages 28 and 29. That's the reality of the business side of the game. As far as where he's best suited to play, they have the better part of the next two seasons to continue his development and my guess is that if he plays SS this year, that's the position they see him playing @ the big league level.

    IMHO the only way they call him up before 2015 and start his "clock" is if he pounds the door down...A proves to all that he's ready for the challenge and that he has nothing left to prove at the AAA level...meaning that his development curve once promoted is not a question of if, but when. There's no reason to prematurely start his arbitration clock to spend an entire season "learning" to adjust to the big leagues, lessons he could otherwise learn @ the minor league level.



    I agree, especially since I think we have next to no chance at winning this year and probably next as well, however, moving him to his true position should begin very soon, so  he'll be ready for the bigs when his time has come.

     
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    Re: What happens when Bogaerts gets promotion to AAA?

    Best case scenario - Iggy is motivated by the Drew signing, gets his act in gear and is starting SS for the Sox by June (hitting .240+).  X gets to AAA and continues to stripe the ball, gets a Sept trip to the majors and has an immediate impact ala Ells in '07.  WMB moves across to 1B to replace Napster who is wearing down from a long season (playing too much to try to reach incentives), X plays 3B in the pennant race, Pedey is extended and the IF of the future is in place.  Realistic?  I think so.

     
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