What happens when Bogaerts gets promotion to AAA?

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    The Drew signing has gummed up the works. 

    The Sox should have boldly gone with Iggy as the projected starter in Boston.  Ciiaco as the untility guy.

    If Iggy had failed miserably - then you know he is not in furture plans.  I don't think he would fail miserably.  I think he could play great defense and hit .225 (two points higher than Drew hit last season).

    Iggy in Boston would have put Boagerts in Pawtucket.

    Everything is delayed by Drew. 

     

     

     



    While I agree that Iggy should have been our starting SS this year, I still think Boggy would have started in AA.

    It does not effect his SS status if he plays in AA or AAA. There could be a problem if they want him to move to AAA, but then Iggy and him can't both be FT SSs, but I suppose Iggy could be traded or promoted to ML as the back-up to Drew.

     
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    How many 6-3 SSs are or have been above average fielders?

    While moving a player might not "take much time", moving him to 3B (his most likely best slot), would also involve moving Middlebrooks to 1B.

    While I do think moving him now is the best idea, it's not urgent. I'm OK with waiting a year, but I do think the move should come sooner rather than later. With Iggy at SS in AAA needing FT play, and Boggy knocking on the AAA door, something may have to give this summer, unless Drew gets hurt and everyone moves up a notch.

     




     

    You might be right.  How many games have you seen Boagerts actaully play at SS?  10?  20?  more than that?



    I've seen him twice, but I trust scouts better than my own eyes, and fielding is the easiest of all skillsets to evaluate and project. (Not that mistakes have not been made by scouts.)

     
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    Profar definitely is the SS. Ergo Bogaerts may well be playing 3rd or some other slot. Outfield maybe?

    The thing to remember about Bagaerts is that he hasn't played a lot of baseball. A guy like Cechinni has probably played twice as many games in his life. He needs defensive reps and is still raw offensively. That is part of his appeal. He is a tremendous raw talent. Leave him at SS at least in 2013.

     



    Then if you move him next year, we have to wait even longer for an adjustment to a new position and time taken away from working on his hitting.

     

    From what I hear, he's not going to be an above average SS, so why put it off?

     




    because scouts projections have been wrong before and they'll be wrong again.we're not going to know if he can be a ML SS if we don't let him try. Don't write him off just yet. and if he has to learn a new position in a year then so be it. It shouldn't hinder him too much

     

    Changing positions is not as hard you as you make it out to be. Worse athletes than XB have done it pretty quickly and still hold their own. Its not like he was an OF'er his whole life and is now going to be a catcher. Its SS (the most demanding IF defensive position) to 3B/1B. Its hardly a big deal.

     



    How many 6-3 SSs are or have been above average fielders?

     

    While moving a player might not "take much time", moving him to 3B (his most likely best slot), would also involve moving Middlebrooks to 1B.

    While I do think moving him now is the best idea, it's not urgent. I'm OK with waiting a year, but I do think the move should come sooner rather than later. With Iggy at SS in AAA needing FT play, and Boggy knocking on the AAA door, something may have to give this summer, unless Drew gets hurt and everyone moves up a notch.

     



    Troy Tulowitski, Cal Ripken and Alex Rodriguez are all at least 6'3"...They all seemed to be pretty decent players.  What's with the height limit for Shortstops?

     



    My point is there have not been many great fielding tall SSs. 

    No there is not height limit, but the vast majority of top fielding SSs are under 6-1 or 6-0.

    Contrary to what the media hype produced, I did see Cal play very often: he was an over-rated SS who should have been moved to 3B in his early 30's. Even though I did not see the other two play as much as Cal, I think Tulo and ARod were decent SSs in their late 20's.

    We can have a great fielding SS and Biggy's bat in out future line-ups. If he can become a decent SS, I get the added value of having a great bat from the SS position, but my feeling is that he will not become an above average fielding SS. I have never said i know he won't, he can't ever be, or anything close to that. I am basing my opinion on the viewpoints of more than one prospect expert. Almost everyone I have read has said he is destined to play at another position. Maybe you know more than them. Maybe not.

     
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    You might be right.  How many games have you seen Boagerts actaully play at SS?  10?  20?  more than that?

    I've seen him play more than 20 times, in Greenville. Lowrie wasn't any SS, and neither is Bogaerts. He has slugging potential, but I have my doubts whether he's going to be a strong career MLB slugger. One of the reasons I included him, in the event he'd be required in a trade for J. Upton (I doubt it), is that J. Upton isn't much older and has proven MLB slugging ability and is a perfect fit for Boston/AL. 



    Justin turns 26 this August. Boggy turns 21 in October.

    I'm not sure I'd say an over 5 years differential "isn't much older".

     
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    I wouldn't necessarily say he is knocking on the door. he only has a handful of AA ABs and could still use some work. XB may not be end up being a ML SS but let him make our decision for us. If it does come down to iggy and XB in AAA then make XB the SS and move iggy to 2B or 3B.. Iggy is already adept defensively so no need to keep playing him there if someone else can be slotted in his place. He needs to work on his bat and can do that from a different position while XB works on his defense. Since i don't really see iggy as a ML SS anyway this could definitely help what little value he has. I also only think its a matter of time before iggy becomes a UIF but that's neither here nor there.

    Moving Iggy from SS makes no sense. He still needs to refine his defensive game a bit, and teaching him a new position is not going to help.

     
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    I wouldn't necessarily say he is knocking on the door. he only has a handful of AA ABs and could still use some work. XB may not be end up being a ML SS but let him make our decision for us. If it does come down to iggy and XB in AAA then make XB the SS and move iggy to 2B or 3B.. Iggy is already adept defensively so no need to keep playing him there if someone else can be slotted in his place. He needs to work on his bat and can do that from a different position while XB works on his defense. Since i don't really see iggy as a ML SS anyway this could definitely help what little value he has. I also only think its a matter of time before iggy becomes a UIF but that's neither here nor there.

    Moving Iggy from SS makes no sense. He still needs to refine his defensive game a bit, and teaching him a new position is not going to help.

     




    if it allows XB to continue in his progression as a SS and also allows iggy to stay in the lineup to work on his dreadful offensive game then i don't see what the problem is.


    especially when at this point, i see iggy as a UIF moreso than a starting SS. barring an offensive improvement

     
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    How many 6-3 SSs are or have been above average fielders?

    While moving a player might not "take much time", moving him to 3B (his most likely best slot), would also involve moving Middlebrooks to 1B.

    While I do think moving him now is the best idea, it's not urgent. I'm OK with waiting a year, but I do think the move should come sooner rather than later. With Iggy at SS in AAA needing FT play, and Boggy knocking on the AAA door, something may have to give this summer, unless Drew gets hurt and everyone moves up a notch.

     




     

    You might be right.  How many games have you seen Boagerts actaully play at SS?  10?  20?  more than that?




    Still going on about batting averages?  Do you not understand that OBP is a far more relevant measure, or are you just cherry picking to try to make your case better?

     
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    Has anyone actually seen Boagerts play?  You've actually watched him play 9 innings?  Or maybe you've seen him play 5, 10, 20 games?

     

    Anyone on this board actually done that?

     



    A highly relevant question.  I'd be surprised if many/any here have seen him play even five times.

     

     
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    You expect people to believe a busy lawyer like you had the time to go to 2/3s of the games he played there

    You are so filled with animus that your anger is blather. Yes, I had time to attend more than 20 home games within walking distance of where I live.

    Just because I find same-sex sexual relations to be perverted and repulsive is no reason to lose your temper. You must tolerate those who have different viewpoints than Ellen and Oprah and Anderson.



    practice what you preach.

     
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    You expect people to believe a busy lawyer like you had the time to go to 2/3s of the games he played there

    You are so filled with animus that your anger is blather. Yes, I had time to attend more than 20 home games within walking distance of where I live.

    Just because I find same-sex sexual relations to be perverted and repulsive is no reason to lose your temper. You must tolerate those who have different viewpoints than Ellen and Oprah and Anderson.




    ....and you counted your gold hoard when you got home from the game, right?  How many hours/week do you spend at your high-powered lawyer job? 

     
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    How many hours do you spend at the National Trust line in London?



    The "National Trust line"?  Do you mean www.nationaltrust.org.uk/If so, while I don't work for them, what in your feverish little mind is wrong with the National Trust?

     
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    With Drew staying in town for a year, Iggy is slotted to start in the minors once again and likely open the 2013 season with the Pawtucket Red Sox manning the SS position.  And let's not forget that we have another highly touted prospect on the rise who happens to have the same position as Iggy right at this moment and considered as #1 prospect of this organization who will most likely start the season with AA team.  Bogaerts was so good last season that he had to split time between Salem and Portland and he will likely do the same this year but in the higher levels this season.  If Bogaerts continues where he was left off last season (92 ABs/ 5 HRs/ 17 RBIs/ .326 AVG/ .598 SLG/ .948 OPS), he will get promoted early in the season. If that's the case, is he going be challenged to play different position at Pawtucket or is Iggy going to sit?

     



    I think we should give Middy some experience playing 1B to see how he handles the position just in case Bogy does end up at 3B where many feel he might.  There is a good chance it may be our best move for the future at both positions.

     

     
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    With Drew staying in town for a year, Iggy is slotted to start in the minors once again and likely open the 2013 season with the Pawtucket Red Sox manning the SS position.  And let's not forget that we have another highly touted prospect on the rise who happens to have the same position as Iggy right at this moment and considered as #1 prospect of this organization who will most likely start the season with AA team.  Bogaerts was so good last season that he had to split time between Salem and Portland and he will likely do the same this year but in the higher levels this season.  If Bogaerts continues where he was left off last season (92 ABs/ 5 HRs/ 17 RBIs/ .326 AVG/ .598 SLG/ .948 OPS), he will get promoted early in the season. If that's the case, is he going be challenged to play different position at Pawtucket or is Iggy going to sit?

     



    I think we should give Middy some experience playing 1B to see how he handles the position just in case Bogy does end up at 3B where many feel he might.  There is a good chance it may be our best move for the future at both positions.

     




    instead of having 2 guys learn new positions why don't we just have XB learn to play 1B? been saying that since we traded a-gon away

     
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    With Drew staying in town for a year, Iggy is slotted to start in the minors once again and likely open the 2013 season with the Pawtucket Red Sox manning the SS position.  And let's not forget that we have another highly touted prospect on the rise who happens to have the same position as Iggy right at this moment and considered as #1 prospect of this organization who will most likely start the season with AA team.  Bogaerts was so good last season that he had to split time between Salem and Portland and he will likely do the same this year but in the higher levels this season.  If Bogaerts continues where he was left off last season (92 ABs/ 5 HRs/ 17 RBIs/ .326 AVG/ .598 SLG/ .948 OPS), he will get promoted early in the season. If that's the case, is he going be challenged to play different position at Pawtucket or is Iggy going to sit?

     



    I think we should give Middy some experience playing 1B to see how he handles the position just in case Bogy does end up at 3B where many feel he might.  There is a good chance it may be our best move for the future at both positions.

     

     




    instead of having 2 guys learn new positions why don't we just have XB learn to play 1B? been saying that since we traded a-gon away

     

     



    Who really knows if Middy or Bogy end up part of our future?  Middy replacing Youk was a kid taking advantage of injuries but doesn't necessarily mean he will do as well or better this season.  Bogy "like Bradley" also has a way to go before predicting he may be our future CF.

     

    I also don't believe Iggy's defense is deserving of the starting SS position in a lineup which has struggled to get OB.  Thats pretty much like saying Nap will help the club more than AGon, or Salty will call a better game than Tek or Ross.  We need to make these adjustments with an open mind to help our teams future rather than get caught up in the love or hype we may have for a particular player.

     
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    I wouldn't necessarily say he is knocking on the door. he only has a handful of AA ABs and could still use some work. XB may not be end up being a ML SS but let him make our decision for us. If it does come down to iggy and XB in AAA then make XB the SS and move iggy to 2B or 3B.. Iggy is already adept defensively so no need to keep playing him there if someone else can be slotted in his place. He needs to work on his bat and can do that from a different position while XB works on his defense. Since i don't really see iggy as a ML SS anyway this could definitely help what little value he has. I also only think its a matter of time before iggy becomes a UIF but that's neither here nor there.

    Moving Iggy from SS makes no sense. He still needs to refine his defensive game a bit, and teaching him a new position is not going to help.

     




    if it allows XB to continue in his progression as a SS and also allows iggy to stay in the lineup to work on his dreadful offensive game then i don't see what the problem is.


    especially when at this point, i see iggy as a UIF moreso than a starting SS. barring an offensive improvement



    Fair enough position. If Iggy is going to become a defensive UIF, your plan makes sense.

     
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    They should move Boggy to 3B or 1B. End of logjam at SS in AAA. Hurries up the inevitable as well.




    Hmmm. If they move Bogaerts to 1B and he does well, then the 1 yr contract with Napoli seems like providence ....

    :o)

     
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    Justin turns 26 this August. Boggy turns 21 in October.

     

     

    Bogaerts will turn 21 next fall. It is unlikely that Bogaerts will be on the opening day 25 MLB active roster before 2014, if not later. Bogearts will likely be 22 or 23 before he is ready to be part of an opening day 25 man MLB roster. That puts the two only 2 or 3 years difference in terms of MLB service clock, which is all that matters.

    However, I've noted that you would keep Bogaerts instead of trading him for J. Upton because of the wide age difference.

     



    You know my offer for Upton. You disagree that it is better than yours. I have said I would trade Bogaerts as part of the deal for Upton, but would prefer to trade Bradley. You can believe your own lies about my positions, but it doesn't make it the truth.

    You still never really answered my point. Is over 5 years significant or not?

    Is 3 years of Upton service just slightly more than the total years of ML service we will get from Boggy. You are now saying that Boggy will only have 2-3 more years of ML service than Upton. It may be 3-4 more, but the point is, your initial statement did not even hint at this point.

     
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    With Drew staying in town for a year, Iggy is slotted to start in the minors once again and likely open the 2013 season with the Pawtucket Red Sox manning the SS position.  And let's not forget that we have another highly touted prospect on the rise who happens to have the same position as Iggy right at this moment and considered as #1 prospect of this organization who will most likely start the season with AA team.  Bogaerts was so good last season that he had to split time between Salem and Portland and he will likely do the same this year but in the higher levels this season.  If Bogaerts continues where he was left off last season (92 ABs/ 5 HRs/ 17 RBIs/ .326 AVG/ .598 SLG/ .948 OPS), he will get promoted early in the season. If that's the case, is he going be challenged to play different position at Pawtucket or is Iggy going to sit?

     



    I think we should give Middy some experience playing 1B to see how he handles the position just in case Bogy does end up at 3B where many feel he might.  There is a good chance it may be our best move for the future at both positions.

     

     




    instead of having 2 guys learn new positions why don't we just have XB learn to play 1B? been saying that since we traded a-gon away

     



    If management thinks Middlebrooks can be a good 3Bman someday, and that Boggy would not be better than Middlebrooks at 3B, then I am all for moving Boggy to 1B. I have mentioned the idea several times myself.

     
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    With Drew staying in town for a year, Iggy is slotted to start in the minors once again and likely open the 2013 season with the Pawtucket Red Sox manning the SS position.  And let's not forget that we have another highly touted prospect on the rise who happens to have the same position as Iggy right at this moment and considered as #1 prospect of this organization who will most likely start the season with AA team.  Bogaerts was so good last season that he had to split time between Salem and Portland and he will likely do the same this year but in the higher levels this season.  If Bogaerts continues where he was left off last season (92 ABs/ 5 HRs/ 17 RBIs/ .326 AVG/ .598 SLG/ .948 OPS), he will get promoted early in the season. If that's the case, is he going be challenged to play different position at Pawtucket or is Iggy going to sit?

     



    I think we should give Middy some experience playing 1B to see how he handles the position just in case Bogy does end up at 3B where many feel he might.  There is a good chance it may be our best move for the future at both positions.

     

     




    instead of having 2 guys learn new positions why don't we just have XB learn to play 1B? been saying that since we traded a-gon away

     

     



    If management thinks Middlebrooks can be a good 3Bman someday, and that Boggy would not be better than Middlebrooks at 3B, then I am all for moving Boggy to 1B. I have mentioned the idea several times myself.



    Thats my stance moon, we need to start making decisions that improve our future and that includes placing the best talent at all positions.  I'm a little tired of "short term" or less than well thought out solutions.

     
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    How many 6-3 SSs are or have been above average fielders?

    While moving a player might not "take much time", moving him to 3B (his most likely best slot), would also involve moving Middlebrooks to 1B.

    While I do think moving him now is the best idea, it's not urgent. I'm OK with waiting a year, but I do think the move should come sooner rather than later. With Iggy at SS in AAA needing FT play, and Boggy knocking on the AAA door, something may have to give this summer, unless Drew gets hurt and everyone moves up a notch.

     




     

    You might be right.  How many games have you seen Boagerts actaully play at SS?  10?  20?  more than that?

     




    Still going on about batting averages?  Do you not understand that OBP is a far more relevant measure, or are you just cherry picking to try to make your case better?

     




     

    This is a thread about Shortstops - specifically Boagerts.  If you want to argue batting average take it to another thread doofus.

     
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    Re: What happens when Bogaerts gets promotion to AAA?

    Went to  a game in portland last season after a trip to the allagash brewery.  He looked fine at shortstop to me.  I dont recall his bating line for the game, as I said it was after a brewery tour.

     
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