Re: What is our real concern?
posted at 2/22/2013 12:37 PM EST
In response to carnie's comment:
In response to craze4sox's comment:
In response to Beantowne's comment:
Where we difer is that I do think that Cherington has a plan...first and foremost is he needed to purge the lockeroom of the malcontents and begin constructing the team with players and managers that buy into the mission statement. He inhereted a team with a ton of bad contracts, one that lacked on field leaders. My guess is that if all goes well and Henry and Luccino don't cut his legs out from under him. That come 2015 or 2016 the makeup of the roster and the quality of the team's play will be of championship mettle.
Bean, I completely agree with the fact we did some things to right the ship. What I doubt is whether we have the right mix of prospects for future slotsand feel we could easily package a few prospects and guys off the 40 man roster to get the right fits without hurting our current chances in the next couple of years.
I also agree Ben will have an opportunity to grab a couple fA's at some point and the team isn't that far away from really being a contender but is our plan year to year, or more long term? Also, will it hurt us defensively if our current prospects need to learn a new position at the last minute just to break into our lineup?
At the moment only Bradley Jr. appears to be destined to play CF to replace Ells. Nothing else besides possibly De La Rosa and Barnes seem to be clear. Even Iggy doesn't appear to have a spot on this team with Drew, Bogy and Ciriaco now in the picture and Lav? Salty should be traded at some point to allow Ryan and Ross to catch, otherwise trade Lav if we really want Salty's low OBP in the every day lineup. Lav deserves the same chance we handed Salty, it's pretty obvious our DH spot is filled so where are these guys futures?
I'm not sure we really have a plan at all moving forward.
First of all, Drew is here for one year max. Do you really think that Iglesias should have been handed the starting job in Boston based on last year's performance? Or will he be better served by spending another year in Pawtucket developing his bat? Lavarnaway is still pretty young for a catcher and last year was his first year catching full time. It definitely showed in his offense as he had his worst year at the plate since becoming a professional. He's another guy who needs some development time in Pawtucket IMO. Bogaerts is a for sure major leaguer in the next year or two barring injury. Where he plays is going to depend a lot on how Iglesias' bat develops. Brentz is another guy who could have an impact in the next year or two provided he can remember to unload his guns before cleaning them. As far as DH being an open position, Papi is done in 2 years and Napoli is on a 1 year deal. So I would say that there is in fact a long term plan in place. You may not like it, but it's there.
The fact we didn't sign anyone to a crazy 6 year contract has little bearing on what I'm saying other than proving this organization loves to use the term BRIDGE YEARS. The fact is we have too many prospects that play the same positions. Choosing the right drafts pick is difficult "no doubt" but having too many that play the same positions while our real needs get plugged each year is different.
We have done this for years which is why we haven't had another young crop of youngsters who have made a real impact on our club. A few examples with our present same ownership ...
1B, has been a complete debacle since pushing Youk to 3B. Everyone in the organization thought Lars was going to be the future, then Rizzo before trading him for AGon only to trade him and end up with Gomez. Gomez appears to be another victim of our ways, he played pretty well yet we felt the need to sign Napoli. Do you really think it would have made a difference this season and where does Gomez now fit? DH? possibly if Papi gets hurt
SS, I could talk about for hours so let me keep it short by saying your statement about Drew has been repeated many times over the years with rotating players. Our next superstar? Iggy has a bat so bad Ciriaco, Drew and Bogy are all more talented. Behind Iggy are two guys in Vinicio and Marrero who have the same makeup as Iggy.
2B, Pede and Ciriaco, then Brock Holt who is a singles hitting twin of Dustin at best
3B, Hopefully Middy is the real deal and Cecchini may even be better so we look pretty good moving forward. At this point I also see Bogy in the picture here "not SS" but hoping these guys can cover 1B, SS, and 3B respectively is something only the fans have discussed at this point.
OF, Another complete debacle from year to year. I am so happy we got Victorino in the mix because Linares has been lost in the shuffle, Reddick traded away and Kalish so far anyway just another hyped up prospect. Brentz? maybe but that has yet to be proved. So our best bet appears to be Bradley "again" in a position we already had but will most likely lose as a FA in Ells.
C, Another complete debacle since 2006/07 when Tek began to decline. Then after a few youngsters came and went we trade Masterson for Victors one plus year of service to help our lineup. Since 07 in a nutshell? Our staff ERA has declined along with our OBP, other than Victors short term bat.
P, We can list anyone we want in our top 20 but at this point only De La Rosa and Barnes have the tools in my opinion to be very good starters at some point
See a pattern here?
It's time the Sox make a couple creative trades within the system so maybe instead of guessing if any of our youngsters might be ready and when or at what position, we actually have a few come up and help the lineup together again like years ago. We knew where Youk, Pede, Ells, Pap, Clay, Lester and company fit in. All we know right now is we are back to using the term BRIDGE YEARS.