What purpose does Cameron serve?

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    [QUOTE]I am not a Mike Cameron fan, but his role right now for the Sox is perfect. 4th outfielder who plays very good defense, (very important), and hits better against Lefties than Righties. Gives an Outfielder a day off, and plays him to his strength not weakness. Down the stretch, Veterans are important.
    Posted by bobbysu[/QUOTE]

    His role would be perfect if he was a 5th OF'er whos soul purpose is to replace guys on the basepaths or take over in the field late in games.  He's not getting the job done.  It's key that this team has a good right handed bat to platoon with Drew. 
     
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    Cameron is the only player I hate seeing in the lineup...and im not a huge JD fan but the guy is on the serious downside of his career and they needed kalish there in his spot so that he could replace JD next year...instead he's hurt playing AAA and were stuck with Cameron/Drew...a choice of cancer or polio
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: What purpose does Cameron serve? : You're getting bogged down in semantics and making a big deal out of nothing. Fourth OF/platoon -- same difference. If you want to label him platoon, it's more of a statement of Drew strugg;lnig against lefties and respect for Cameron's potential. The role of the fourth outfielder is often a platoon situation like this. So call it whatever you like. He is the fourth OF in terms of playing time. The main point is that you keep in the job as the fourth OF/platoon OF -- whatever -- for now until around the midseason trade deadline. If he starts becoming more effective in the role, great. If he continues to hit below the Mendoza line, then you consider finding another right-handed OF for that role, even if it means eating a half year of hte contract. It's a shame Cameron got hurt last year. He's been a solid, hard-working OF in his career and a stand-up guy. He didn't deserve the abuse he got because of the injury.
    Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]

    The name of this thread is What purpose does Cam serve. I'm addressing that. This isn't just a difference of terminology.
    "4th outfielder" implies the role Rocky B. had in 2009.
    Playing time for the extra outfielder depends on injury/late inning pinchhit/run/ etc.

    If Drew was RH (and Cam LH), he'd get less playing time in the platoon. Does that make him the "4th outfielder"? This terminology gives Cam a free pass - as if less is now expected of him. And that should not be the case. If Mac wasn't cutting it - less is made of it as he's the low cost, extra outfielder.

    I had Cam's back last year because nobody can help being hurt. He was signed as a regular. Now he doesn't have to hit against RH starting pitchers, which should be a huge advantage. I thought his bat was slow back in April. Having so much time off last year and getting used to a platoon is telling. I hope he finds a groove.

    But either way, this guy gets no free pass as a "4th outfielder". The team is dishing out 22 mil for one position...and neither are measuring up. One of them needs to start validating their worth.
     
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    [QUOTE]Cameron sit on the bench most of the time. He usually sits 3 to 4 days between any action. He doesn't play enough for his BA to mean anything. He homered twice in one of the few games he's started. He and Drew are the only really good OF defenders the Red Sox have. Crawford is not moving well, which is likely a by-product of years of a pounding running style and his career contract season. Crawford was high mileage because he's been playing MLB for a long time on that Tampa concrete hard surface. He also has the antithesis of a graceful stride. Because of the mileage and the career averages, Crawford is and will be a big bust for the 142M superstar price tag. He's not and never will be superstar. That's why they are called superstar. AGon is one, which is why that was the linchpin move that had to be made this winter.   There was a lot of vitriol because he was brought in to upgrade the CF defense. This lead to the popular Bellsbury being moved. George blames Cameron for Ellsbury getting hurt, which is a reflection of how someone who looks like Cameron is perceived by most Red Sox fans.   Cameron made sense only if he was going to be an everday player. With Drew, Theo is spending about 21.25M for RF. Add Crawford, and he's spending 41.25 M for LF and RF. For one full-time player and one platoon player v. some LHP starters, that exceeds the entire payroll of the Rays. If it was producing at a way higher level, the big market excuse could be used. But it's not. Crawford has been pitiful long enough to where even a surge over the next 4 months will not make up for the lost value to date. Drew's in his last contract year, and his high contract was a result of Theo bidding against himself. At least Drew can still play some very solid all around defense in RF. The decision was made to spend 142M on Crawford, which meant that as pitiful as Crawford has been, that 20M will be out there all year. Although Ellsbury is not lighting it up on OBP or splits against LHP, the decision was made to platoon the 21.25 million in RF. Cameron and Drew come off the books at year end. Crawford is the long term Ellsbury replacement. The Red Sox had better be combing the market for a corner RH MLB ready OF'er, and capture Ellsbury's value by dealing him with 2 years of remaining arbitration and moving Kalish or farm hand up the ladder and adding a solid young RH OF'er.   I seriously doubt that middle management will write off the remainder of the 21.25M spent on Drew and Cameron this year. The better question is, what purpose does Mac serve? There is no chance Lowrie has the wheels to play the OF on an everyday basis.
    Posted by SoxSoldRed[/QUOTE]
    Actually FieldTurf is quite soft. It is not AstroTurf, it is wooven blade by blade.
     
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    Cameron has done absolutely nothing in his time with the Sox. Hes healthy this year and is batting a slick .143. Hes pathetic. The guys moves like hes about 52. 
     
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    Crawford makes Cameron look like a big bargain. Crawford is moving like he's in his 40's.

    Actually FieldTurf is quite soft.

    No, it's quite hard.
     
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    I thought Crawford moved around the bases quite well tonight. All the bases.
    Masty shuts em down w/o CC.
     
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    Cameron won't finish the season with the Sox at the rate he's going.  Outfielders are one of the easiest positions to get at the deadline. 
     
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    I don't see the need for both Dmac and Cameron on the team, well I do understand it but I personally would rather have an extra roster spot for another pitcher.  You can always call a AAA guy up to be a back up outfielder, but you can never have enough pitching.
     
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