What Team Would Have Been More Fun To Watch And Maybe Even Better?

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    Sanchez didn't look very good against the DR last night...

    Great!  Now, maybe Detroit will trade him to us for Lackey & Dempster!

     
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    In response to BostonTrollSpanker's comment:

    b-b-but if Moonslav and Softy agree it destroys Pike's entire BDC forum conspiracy....no!!!!

    p.s. Softy I'm not sure if you got lucky or something but you seem in better spirits lately and your posts have more levity, keep it up man.



    Yeah, after expecting his stocks to crash after Obama's win, he's rolling in moolah now.

    Isn't Socialism great for Wall Street!

     
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    Shane Victorino was receiving MVP votes as recently as 2011.  I have no idea where this myth came from that he is not a good player...

    In 2012, Shane's OBP was .321 and his OPS was .704. At age 32, this former CF'er is in decline. Which is why he was kicked out the door in Philly and LA. 13 million a year for 3 yeras is embarrassing for this guy.



    His 2012 season was poor relative to his very high performance from 2006-2011, true.  Injury-related, off-year or in decline?  Who can say for sure?  But as he seems to be as fit, fast and strong-armed as ever I assume he has plenty of gas left in the tank.  Let's discuss in October.

     
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    Shane Victorino was receiving MVP votes as recently as 2011.  I have no idea where this myth came from that he is not a good player...

    In 2012, Shane's OBP was .321 and his OPS was .704. At age 32, this former CF'er is in decline. Which is why he was kicked out the door in Philly and LA. 13 million a year for 3 yeras is embarrassing for this guy.

    His .799 OPS from 2009-2010 is not bad - his .800 OPS from 2008-2010 either.

    Actually, that's about the 8th or 9th best CF OPS over those time spans. However, an .800 OPS would place a player about 17th in RF in 2009-2010 combined.

    Here is a number that is a bit troubling to me:

    Of the top 90 MLB OF'ers by PAs vs RHPs from 2010-2012, Shane places 75h at .701. Only juan pierre has more PAs vs RHPs and a worse OPS than SV over the last 3 years combined.



    His 2012 season was poor relative to his very high performance from 2006-2011, true.  Injury-related, off-year or in decline?  Who can say for sure?  But as he seems to be as fit, fast and strong-armed as ever I assume he has plenty of gas left in the tank.  Let's discuss in October.

    True, and he's not as old as Cameron was when we heard the same thing about his excellent physique.

     




     
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    I only have about 10% of my assets in the stock market, which will crash harder than it did a very short time ago.

    Wow, twice in 1 week we have agreed.

     
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    That line up isn't a ML line up. It would struggle to put up runs. Brentz is also hurt. There is no advantage of having Linaires on the big league club. He is old, has no upside, and isnt that good of a hitter. That team woUld definitely be worse and most likely less fun to watch.a

     
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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    Inflation (see gas and groceries) is what's driving money into the stock market because precious metals have become so expensive. Because of the fed, lending money is losing money to inflation. Socialism is not "great for the stock market". Value is relative to inflation. The federal government is, in fact, in desperate straights and will default on the entitlement promises that the Democrat Party has sold to secure political power. It will be called "reform", but the ignorant masses will soon realize how much poorer they are after the buy gas and groceries and clothes and essential goods and services for human survival.

    I only have about 10% of my assets in the stock market, which will crash harder than it did a very short time ago. The market, adjusted for actual inflation value losses, has not recovered the losses from the last crash.  



    Regardless of where you think the market is headed and the future risk of inflation the best ROI has been stocks. By only investing so little in it, you have cost you self money. The Marc Faber's of the world have predicting this major crash for 4 years now. It is not going to happen. Their will be a challenge when the Fed stops easing(a policy they started under Bush) but inflation started to slow down in the second half of 2012 and was only 1.6 percent in Janurary. 1.6 is basically flat. The risk of deflation could become visible in 2013 if this trend continues.

     
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    he seems to be as fit, fast and strong-armed as ever

    Phillies and Dodgers think he's slower and in decline. They are correct.




    do you have links to the articles that stated this?

     
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    he seems to be as fit, fast and strong-armed as ever

    Phillies and Dodgers think he's slower and in decline. They are correct.



    Or they think he is expensive.

     

    The Dodgers already have Crawford,  Kemp and Ethier under contract.  Why would they spend for a fourth OF?  Teams in the NL allowed to play wiyh a rover like in Beer League softball? 

     
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    No chance.  You're going with Iglesias, Linares, Brentz, and Bradley, four rookies at once?  against righties, your lineup is

    • Bradley
    • Pedey
    • WMB
    • Napoli
    • Salty
    • Ross
    • Sweeney
    • Brentz
    • Iglesias

    You could finish last in scoring with that lineup. 

     



    Have you seen Victorino's numbers vs RHPs recently and over his career? Sweeney, Brentz, Linbares, Nava might all hit RHPs better, if not I'll add Pods to the roster, OK?

     

    Ellsbury and Drew certainly rate to his better than the rookies vs RHPs, but we are assuming they will be healthy all year.

    I don't see why you have Ross and Salty in the lineup together. Nava had our 2nd best OBP vs RHPs last year, and you are leaving him out.

    I have never said my team is better offensively, but the "maybe" better overall, but maybe I value defense more than many of you. I'm fine with that. One day you might figure it out... (LOL).



    Ross is what I'd call a free-form mistake, thinking instead of researching.

    And, if I am not mistaken, I think I am higher on defense, specifically Iglesias, than you are.  It's just a bad lineup in an effort a couple of bucks.

     
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    I'm pretty sure many Sox fans would love to watch great defense, pitching and young players getting a chance to shine. (I'm sure there are many wanting to see Drew, Dempster and SV instead.)


    Everyone likes to see the kids, but there is a path there that cannot be ignored.  I like Iglesias a lot, but he needs a full season in AAA to learn how to hit better.  He could do the same against major league pitching, but why use our control years to improve him?  It's like sending a kid to Harvard for remedial math.

    JBJ looks good, but still only had a .809 in AA.

    Brentz is also another guy from AA you're looking to promote, and his plate discipline is horrible.

    Between the four kids you want starting they barely have one AAA season between them.

     
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    In 2012, Shane's OBP was .321 and his OPS was .704. At age 32, this former CF'er is in decline. Which is why he was kicked out the door in Philly and LA. 13 million a year for 3 yeras is embarrassing for this guy.

     

     

    And in the same 2012, J Upton hit 252/326/344 in 78 road games with 20 RBI.  A 344 slugging pct. for a slugger away from the cozy confines of his home park is very embarrassing.  Probably why the D'Backs kicked him out the door.

     
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    I'm pretty sure many Sox fans would love to watch great defense, pitching and young players getting a chance to shine. (I'm sure there are many wanting to see Drew, Dempster and SV instead.)


    Everyone likes to see the kids, but there is a path there that cannot be ignored.  I like Iglesias a lot, but he needs a full season in AAA to learn how to hit better.  He could do the same against major league pitching, but why use our control years to improve him?  It's like sending a kid to Harvard for remedial math.

    Iggy was an international FA signing. The years of service & control years are different.

    He's a huge advantage on defense, but I guess we disagree on how much that counters his possible offensive weaknesses.

     

    JBJ looks good, but still only had a .809 in AA.

    So, you think he'll do worse than all our sub .700 OF'ers of last year, and he won't be as exciting to watch as Byrd, Pods, Nava, DMac, and others from 2012?

     

    Brentz is also another guy from AA you're looking to promote, and his plate discipline is horrible.

    OK, you want to throw Iggy and JBJ's recent minor league numbers, but are ignoring this:

    Brentz:

    2011: .365 OBP

    2012: .349 OBP

    Or, are you just looking at Ks?

     

    Between the four kids you want starting they barely have one AAA season between them.

    They would be more fun to watch, less likely to get hurt, and maybe better.

     
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    Shane Victorino was receiving MVP votes as recently as 2011.  I have no idea where this myth came from that he is not a good player...

    In 2012, Shane's OBP was .321 and his OPS was .704. At age 32, this former CF'er is in decline. Which is why he was kicked out the door in Philly and LA. 13 million a year for 3 yeras is embarrassing for this guy.



    If Victorino is in steep decline based on that evidence,  Adrian Gonzalez should be considered legally dead..

     
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    Shane Victorino was receiving MVP votes as recently as 2011.  I have no idea where this myth came from that he is not a good player...

    In 2012, Shane's OBP was .321 and his OPS was .704. At age 32, this former CF'er is in decline. Which is why he was kicked out the door in Philly and LA. 13 million a year for 3 yeras is embarrassing for this guy.

     



    If Victorino is in steep decline based on that evidence,  Adrian Gonzalez should be considered legally dead..

     



    ...and J Upton in critical condition...

     
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    JBJ looks good, but still only had a .809 in AA.

    So, you think he'll do worse than all our sub .700 OF'ers of last year, and he won't be as exciting to watch as Byrd, Pods, Nava, DMac, and others from 2012?

    OK, that covers the backup OF'ers we had to use last year because of injuries to Ellsbury & Crawford & Kalish.  But we're talking about a starting position.

     

     

     
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    That line up isn't a ML line up. It would struggle to put up runs. Brentz is also hurt. There is no advantage of having Linaires on the big league club. He is old, has no upside, and isnt that good of a hitter. That team woUld definitely be worse and most likely less fun to watch.a



    Actually last year was the first year he was able to get into more than 17 games in the Sox system and he put up an OPS of .941 in Portland and .801 in Pawtucket. He's been raking in ST this year as well. He's also an excellent defensive outfielder with a good arm.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=linare003jua

    http://www.soxprospects.com/players/linares-juan.htm

    And it's Linares not Linaires.

     

     

     
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    JBJ looks good, but still only had a .809 in AA.

    So, you think he'll do worse than all our sub .700 OF'ers of last year, and he won't be as exciting to watch as Byrd, Pods, Nava, DMac, and others from 2012?

     

    Brentz is also another guy from AA you're looking to promote, and his plate discipline is horrible.

    OK, you want to throw Iggy and JBJ's recent minor league numbers, but are ignoring this:

    Brentz:

    2011: .365 OBP

    2012: .349 OBP

    Or, are you just looking at Ks?

    You're going off the Softy cliff a little on this.  Ellsbury should be one of the best CFs in BB.  Saying that we should waste a control year of JBJ because he is better than Byrd is difficult to even respond to.

    IRT Brentz, yes, it is all in the K/W.  He is not quite a kid at 23 in AA, and still had a 130/40 K/W.  That projects to about 175 Ks for 600 ABs, in AA.  What does that project to in the pros?

     
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    JBJ looks good, but still only had a .809 in AA.

    So, you think he'll do worse than all our sub .700 OF'ers of last year, and he won't be as exciting to watch as Byrd, Pods, Nava, DMac, and others from 2012?

     

    Brentz is also another guy from AA you're looking to promote, and his plate discipline is horrible.

    OK, you want to throw Iggy and JBJ's recent minor league numbers, but are ignoring this:

    Brentz:

    2011: .365 OBP

    2012: .349 OBP

    Or, are you just looking at Ks?

    You're going off the Softy cliff a little on this.  Ellsbury should be one of the best CFs in BB.  Saying that we should waste a control year of JBJ because he is better than Byrd is difficult to even respond to.

    IRT Brentz, yes, it is all in the K/W.  He is not quite a kid at 23 in AA, and still had a 130/40 K/W.  That projects to about 175 Ks for 600 ABs, in AA.  What does that project to in the pros?




    Although I agree that Brentz, Iggy and JBJ should start the year in the minors I have to disagree about Brentz. Yes, hes going to K a lot, but hes also proved hes going to get on base at a respectable rate as well, with power. A .360ish OBP is not too shabby.

    People were saying the same thing about WMB too. With power hitters that usually evens out. WMB has actually had much worse OBP than BB has had. A high K rate doesnt mean you can have success in MLB.

     
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    That line up isn't a ML line up. It would struggle to put up runs. Brentz is also hurt. There is no advantage of having Linaires on the big league club. He is old, has no upside, and isnt that good of a hitter. That team woUld definitely be worse and most likely less fun to watch.a

     



    Actually last year was the first year he was able to get into more than 17 games in the Sox system and he put up an OPS of .941 in Portland and .801 in Pawtucket. He's been raking in ST this year as well. He's also an excellent defensive outfielder with a good arm.

     

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=linare003jua

    http://www.soxprospects.com/players/linares-juan.htm

    And it's Linares not Linaires.

     

     



    He is still 28 years old, pull happy and not patient.

     
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    That line up isn't a ML line up. It would struggle to put up runs. Brentz is also hurt. There is no advantage of having Linaires on the big league club. He is old, has no upside, and isnt that good of a hitter. That team woUld definitely be worse and most likely less fun to watch.a

     



    Actually last year was the first year he was able to get into more than 17 games in the Sox system and he put up an OPS of .941 in Portland and .801 in Pawtucket. He's been raking in ST this year as well. He's also an excellent defensive outfielder with a good arm.

     

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=linare003jua

    http://www.soxprospects.com/players/linares-juan.htm

    And it's Linares not Linaires.

     

     

     



    He is still 28 years old, pull happy and not patient.

     




    So your big knock against him is that he's 28? How old was Nava when he played his first game for the Red Sox? I'm not saying that JC should be starting in our outfield this year, but don't sell him short. I think he can and will be a very useful outfielder.

     
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    That line up isn't a ML line up. It would struggle to put up runs. Brentz is also hurt. There is no advantage of having Linaires on the big league club. He is old, has no upside, and isnt that good of a hitter. That team woUld definitely be worse and most likely less fun to watch.a

     



    Actually last year was the first year he was able to get into more than 17 games in the Sox system and he put up an OPS of .941 in Portland and .801 in Pawtucket. He's been raking in ST this year as well. He's also an excellent defensive outfielder with a good arm.

     

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=linare003jua

    http://www.soxprospects.com/players/linares-juan.htm

    And it's Linares not Linaires.

     

     

     



    He is still 28 years old, pull happy and not patient.

     

     




    So your big knock against him is that he's 28? How old was Nava when he played his first game for the Red Sox? I'm not saying that JC should be starting in our outfield this year, but don't sell him short. I think he can and will be a very useful outfielder.

     




    Nava worked his way from the independent ball to the big leagues. JC is a Cuba defector who hasn't developed into anything yet. Nava has done more with less, very different situations.

     
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    JBJ looks good, but still only had a .809 in AA.

    So, you think he'll do worse than all our sub .700 OF'ers of last year, and he won't be as exciting to watch as Byrd, Pods, Nava, DMac, and others from 2012?

     

    Brentz is also another guy from AA you're looking to promote, and his plate discipline is horrible.

    OK, you want to throw Iggy and JBJ's recent minor league numbers, but are ignoring this:

    Brentz:

    2011: .365 OBP

    2012: .349 OBP

    Or, are you just looking at Ks?

    You're going off the Softy cliff a little on this.  Ellsbury should be one of the best CFs in BB.  Saying that we should waste a control year of JBJ because he is better than Byrd is difficult to even respond to.

    The point I was making was that the fans kept watching last year with much lesser players out there than JBJ, Iggy and Brentz. 

    As for Ellsbury vs JBJ, it's not just about playing JBJ and maybe losing a year of service on the back end, it's about getting a top prospect for Jacoby and the draft pick, if we move fast.

    It's Jacoby in MLB/JBJ in AAA

    vs

    JBJ in MLB and a good prospect

     

    IRT Brentz, yes, it is all in the K/W.  He is not quite a kid at 23 in AA, and still had a 130/40 K/W.  That projects to about 175 Ks for 600 ABs, in AA.  What does that project to in the pros?




    Plate discipline is not just about K rate. To me, OBP is more important.

    I'll take a guy with a .370 OBP and 200Ks anyday over a guy with a .330 OBP and 50 Ks.

     

     

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