What to do about Timmy? Buch returns from the DL soon, What do you do with Wakefield?

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    It should be noted that the RS don't have a LH reliever, so it is possible that the RS move Miller to the BP. For the moment they are dealing with really small sample sets for Miller, so I am sure that they really want to see another start and see if he can continue to contain is BB total, which has been his biggest issue as a MLB pitcher. That is critical to whatever they do with him. Lackey is a huge investment, so the RS are going to keep trying to get that on track. Wakefield they know what they get both he good and the bad. His ability to hold up starting every five days is IMO an over blown argument. It is a tough decision BUT if I had to guess unless Miller's 3rd start is even better than the first two outings or Lackey or Wake gets hurt, Miller goes to the BP to give the RS a LH coming out of the BP. Just my take
    Posted by fivekatz

    Hottovy doesn't count as a LHP out of the pen?

    Lackey can be far better than he has been this year, but even if he gets back to his 2010 level that only puts him on par with what Wake has done this year.  Miller is staying in the rotation until he shows that he can't handle it.  He only made 2 bad pitches in his first start and threw a good game yesterday.  It's his job to lose.  Wake will probably end up back in the pen with Lackey being given the chance to turn his season around, but I'm not sure how much slack Lackey will have.

     
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    As big a value bust as Slackey was in 2010, it was better than Wastefield's 2011 on quanitity alone.
     
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    The starter numbers (WHIP 1.277/ ERA 4.02):

    1) Beckett  0.924/1.86 (92 IP)
    2) Wake      1.214/4.50 (56)
    3) Lester    1.287/3.66  (103.1)
    4) Buch       1.294/3.48 (82.2)
    5) Dice-K    1.404/4.95  (36.1)
    6) Miller      1.457/3.09  (11.2)
    7) Aceves   1.571/5.14  (21)
    8) Lackey   1.604/7.36  (62.1)

    Opponents OPS vs out starters:
    Beck (.498), Dice (.646). Wake (.702). Buch (.706), Acev (.713), Miller (.731), Lester (.734), and Lackey (.843)

    SBs off starters (SB/Att)
    Lackey  15/16
    Beck      10/14
    Dice       6/6
    Buch      6/9
    Lest       6/13
    Acev     3/3
    Wake    3/5
    Miller    0/0


    The pen (1.281/3.87) by IP (9+):
    37.2 Bard   0.850/2.39
    30.0 Paps   1.167/3.90
    29.2 Albe    1.281/3.03
    28.2 Acev   1.081/2.51
    22.2 Whee  1.368/5.96
    13.1 Atch    1.425/4.73
    13.1 Wake   1.125/4.73
    12.1 Jenks   2.351/6.57






     
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    In Response to Re: What to do about Timmy? Buch returns from the DL soon, What do you do with Wakefield? : Hottovy doesn't count as a LHP out of the pen? Lackey can be far better than he has been this year, but even if he gets back to his 2010 level that only puts him on par with what Wake has done this year.  Miller is staying in the rotation until he shows that he can't handle it.  He only made 2 bad pitches in his first start and threw a good game yesterday.  It's his job to lose.  Wake will probably end up back in the pen with Lackey being given the chance to turn his season around, but I'm not sure how much slack Lackey will have.
    Posted by JB-3
    I am assuming that when Buch comes off the DL that Hottovy will be sent down. 1.750 WHIP, 0.67 SO/BB even on a small sample set isn't too encouraging and having a bad LH just to have a LH is no answer. The Pittsburgh TV crew on Saturday said he was being sent down (which last I saw he hasn't been yet) and they must have been operating on the same logic.

    As for Miller, put me in the minority but I wasn't THAT taken with the first appearance. While it took until the 6th inning, it was a classic Adrew Miller appearance, back-to-back walks, a HR and a double. He was late into the appearance so Francona was in a position to call a hault to it before he either pitched through it or it got really ugly. But it was what has haunted Miller all along. The start yesterday was very good by any measure.

    Not to feed the de facto DL theme but Wake certainly will be less useful in the bullpen than Andrew Miller. This will IMo have some weight in any decision but it is guess work just like Sutton being the call-up versus Iggy or any other decision the RS have to make. There are arguments for and against all three guys.

    Lackey? The amount of slack will depend on how bad Lackey is and how the RS prevail in standings. Winning is a great mouthwash and losing a magnifying glass. But that it is a big contract that the RS have every reason to get moving in the right direction.
     
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    As big a value bust as Slackey was in 2010, it was better than Wastefield's 2011 on quanitity alone.
    Posted by betterredthandead


    First...  You are such a loser with these disingenuous posts, designed with the clear intention of getting another gratuitous shot in at Wake.  Nothing more, nothing less!  You are a fool if you can't appreciate what Wake has done, & continues to do for the Red Sox.  He has clearly bailed the Sox out, with several excellent starts, when 2 starters went down.  If you can't see that, you're not even worth talking to!

    Second....  You actually happen to have stumbled upon a good point, most likely by default.  Miller should ABSOLUTELY stay in the rotation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   This kid has REAL PROMISE!  GREAT STUFF, & he's still learning after 2 former clubs almost destroyed his future.  3 for 3 on quality starts!!!!!  :)   :)

    Third....   Let's hope Lackey has an accident????  OK... Minor injury!

    Fourth...  Buch with be back soon!  :)  Hopefully at full strength on the back??

    Fifth...  Lackey better than Wake?????  SERIOUSLY!?!?!!!

    #1 Beckett  #2 Lester  #3 Buch   #4 Miller  #5 Lackey  (Hopefully Wake???)

    ****  With Aceves at the ready!!!

    NOT TOO BAD!!!!!!  :)   :)   :)


    Betterdead............    You're still a TOOL!!!!   & a FOOL!!!!
    (even when you stumble on a good point, NOBODY CARES!!!!!!)

    ****   Has ANYONE EVER discussed with you how YOU CONSTANTLY marginalize yourself?!?!?!  By CONSTANTLY playing the extremist, intolerant, proud fool, incapable of admitting when you're wrong, NOBODY listens even when you have a decent point!!!  NOBODY!  If you think we're all wowed by YOUR amazing discovery that Miller's looking damn good????????   I think even the pink hats are aware of that profound baseball insight!  Get a clue!
     
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    am assuming that when Buch comes off the DL that Hottovy will be sent down. 1.750 WHIP, 0.67 SO/BB even on a small sample set isn't too encouraging and having a bad LH just to have a LH is no answer. The Pittsburgh TV crew on Saturday said he was being sent down (which last I saw he hasn't been yet) and they must have been operating on the same logic.

    If Hottovy gets sent down, I'd assume Doubront would be called up.  LHH's have been 2 for 8 against Hottovy with a BB and a double  so far.  Not great, but not bad either considering the tiny sample size.  He's struggled against RHH's with a WHIP of 2.00, further demonstrating that he should only be used as a lefty specialist, or mop up duty.  

    As for Miller, put me in the minority but I wasn't THAT taken with the first appearance. While it took until the 6th inning, it was a classic Adrew Miller appearance, back-to-back walks, a HR and a double. He was late into the appearance so Francona was in a position to call a hault to it before he either pitched through it or it got really ugly. But it was what has haunted Miller all along. The start yesterday was very good by any measure. 

    This season, that simply hasn't been the case for Miller.  Granted he had only been facing minor leagues, but prior to that start, he had only allowed 2 HR's on the season.  I'd be far more concerned if he had struggled earlier in his outing, but he pitched extremely well until he got tired.  In his second outing, he handled his fatigue better and didn't lose his stuff.

    Not to feed the de facto DL theme but Wake certainly will be less useful in the bullpen than Andrew Miller. This will IMo have some weight in any decision but it is guess work just like Sutton being the call-up versus Iggy or any other decision the RS have to make. There are arguments for and against all three guys. 

    I won't go into the arguments for/against everyone, but you were talking about Miller's history of control problems.  Do you really think that would play well out of the pen?  Wake would only be less effective because Tito doesn't know how to use him (by his own admission).  Of course, I'm actually in favor of Lackey being the odd man out and sending him to the pen to work on his mechanics.

    Lackey? The amount of slack will depend on how bad Lackey is and how the RS prevail in standings. Winning is a great mouthwash and losing a magnifying glass. But that it is a big contract that the RS have every reason to get moving in the right direction. 

    I lightly touched on this above, but Lackey needs to work on his mechanics, the best place for that is the minors.  Obviously he won't be sent down right away, although if he continues to struggle he may stub his toe and go on a rehab assignment at AAA for a couple weeks thus clearing the pitching log jam and getting him right.  I think Tito needs to sit down with Lackey and give him 2 options, stubbing his toe or the pen.  If he wants to stay with the MLB club, he can go to the pen and work on his mechanics, otherwise let him get right at AAA.

    For the record, I'll be surprised with anything other than Wake being moved back to the pen barring a real injury.
     
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    Re: What to do about Timmy? Buch returns from the DL soon, What do you do with Wakefield?

    You are assuming only Wakefield could do what he's done in those innings, not that his ERA in part-time dutry is anything to brag about. Your assumption is wrong.
     
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