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    Re: What to do with Robinson Cano.....

    I would not make that offer, If I were the GM of the Red Sox. The Yankees can absorb it.

    The Yankees need to bring an action to void A-Roid's contract. They need to be prepared to send up to 90% of A-Roid's contract costs to get rid of him. Miami would be a great fit for him, as he ends his Union "service". He's an albatross with a broken wing, casting a dark shadow.  

     
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    The Yankees should give Cano 10 years.  When he's too old to play 2B they can just move him to short, and everybody will marvel at how sure his hands are when balls are hit directly to him.

     

     
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    I would not make that offer, If I were the GM of the Red Sox. The Yankees can absorb it.

    The Yankees need to bring an action to void A-Roid's contract. They need to be prepared to send up to 90% of A-Roid's contract costs to get rid of him. Miami would be a great fit for him, as he ends his Union "service". He's an albatross with a broken wing, casting a dark shadow.  




    Gee we do have a few things we agree on.

     
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    Re: What to do with Robinson Cano.....

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    I love the way people throw around millions of dollars like it was chicken feed.

    As far as I'm concerned, the financial structure of baseball is ruining the game to its core.

     




     

    Like how many million does one man need?

     




     

    Hey neighbor.  Good to see you again!




    Hey Amp happy March 1 sequester Friday! :-)

     
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    Hello ampoule  :)

    I am not trying to change your mind because I respect your opinion. 

    I agree with you--the player's salaries are outrageous.  But so are other professions such as a movie star like Tom Cruise or an entertainer like Oprah.  Isn't Oprah a billionaire?  I am happy with my six-figure annual income.  If I wanted to make a seven or eight-figure annual income, I would have tried to be a professional baseball player but my fastball clocks at only 25 to 30 mph.  LOL 

    I also agree with you that ticket prices are too high for the average American family.  Like yourself, I am also lucky to go see a Red Sox game.  I do not mind paying extra from a nearby BU or BC student who wants to make extra cash (a lot of them sell their tickets on craigslist)LOL

    My point is this, it is not just baseball where the financial structure is unfair.  It exists in every sector-private, public, government, and even academic.

     

     

     




    Good points.....absolutely true.  In hollywood, we need more Eastwoods, Voights, Sellecks, Woods et.al....LOL

     
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    Re: What to do with Robinson Cano.....

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    I love the way people throw around millions of dollars like it was chicken feed.

    As far as I'm concerned, the financial structure of baseball is ruining the game to its core.

     




     

    Like how many million does one man need?

     




     

    Hey neighbor.  Good to see you again!

     




     

    Hey Amp happy March 1 sequester Friday! :-)




    I'm afraid to turn on the news before taking a heavy dose of compazine(anti-emetic) because listening to 'you know who' will make me want to regurgitate.:) 

     
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    I love the way people throw around millions of dollars like it was chicken feed.

    As far as I'm concerned, the financial structure of baseball is ruining the game to its core.

     




     

    Like how many million does one man need?

     




     

    Hey neighbor.  Good to see you again!

     




     

    Hey Amp happy March 1 sequester Friday! :-)

     




     

    I'm afraid to turn on the news before taking a heavy dose of compazine(anti-emetic) because listening to 'you know who' will make me want to regurgitate.:) 



    I'm Irish. Moments like these are what booze is for.

     
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    Re: What to do with Robinson Cano.....

    the 1st thing i would do with cano is hire someone to knock that stupid smirk off his face.

    once that's taken care of, the yank-ems should offer cano 10 years/250 million.

     
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    Re: What to do with Robinson Cano.....

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    If I were the GM for the Yankees, I would offer Cano four years and 120 million, with a team option for a fifth year and a 1M buyout and a player opt out of the team option.

    This makes Cano the highest paid player in MLB history, per season.

    The Yankees massively overpay for his labor at age 31, 32, 33 and 34, (his best cluster of seasons is already behind him)  but do not pay a worthless roster asset for years beyond that.

    If he demands more guaranteed money, spend it elsewhere if another big market teams makes the mistake.

     



    He turns it down without thinking about it.

     
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    the 1st thing i would do with cano is hire someone to knock that stupid smirk off his face.




    Cano has a stupid smirk because he hired Scott Boras.

     
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    I read a quote from Cano months back where he said he wasn't going to give the Yankees a discount this time, that he wanted a 10 year deal.

    I see Dodger blue if he sticks to his ten year demand.



    And how many times did you tell me I was wrong on the ARod deal?

    BTW, I think the NYY should sign Cano to that 9-year deal he wants.

    And that has nothing to do with me hating the EE.

     
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    I read a quote from Cano months back where he said he wasn't going to give the Yankees a discount this time, that he wanted a 10 year deal.

    I see Dodger blue if he sticks to his ten year demand.

     



    And how many times did you tell me I was wrong on the ARod deal?

     

    BTW, I think the NYY should sign Cano to that 9-year deal he wants.

    And that has nothing to do with me hating the EE.

     




     

    Yeah Joe, before Arod was revealed to be a cheat probably numerous times.

    And lets not forget if Arod was clean it was expected at the end of the contract he would have been rescuing the homerun title from the then known cheats before we knew he was one too..

    That homerun race was expected to generate hugh revenue for the Yankees.

     

     
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    Re: What to do with Robinson Cano.....

    Put him on calcium and magnesium supplements IMMEDIATELY, so his old fragile bones don't turn to plaster of paris like poor Granderson.

     
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    Put him on calcium and magnesium supplements IMMEDIATELY, so his old fragile bones don't turn to plaster of paris like poor Granderson.

    I don't know of too many players who could have been protected from a beanball by using calcium magnesium supplements.

    Tony Conigliaro would not have been neither could have Curtis Granderson.

    Case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. 


     
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    I read a quote from Cano months back where he said he wasn't going to give the Yankees a discount this time, that he wanted a 10 year deal.

    I see Dodger blue if he sticks to his ten year demand.

     



    And how many times did you tell me I was wrong on the ARod deal?

     

    BTW, I think the NYY should sign Cano to that 9-year deal he wants.

    And that has nothing to do with me hating the EE.

     




     

    Yeah Joe, before Arod was revealed to be a cheat probably numerous times.

    And lets not forget if Arod was clean it was expected at the end of the contract he would have been rescuing the homerun title from the then known cheats before we knew he was one too..

    That homerun race was expected to generate hugh revenue for the Yankees.

     



    You can pretty much only break the record on one day.  The best you get is sellouts for a week or two for Aaron and Bonds, maybe Ruth.  Increased TV ratings as well for a week or two each time.  And since they are mostly sold out, it isn't a lot of extra tickets.

    And everyone knew he was cheating.

     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from softlaw2. Show softlaw2's posts

    Re: What to do with Robinson Cano.....

    He turns it down without thinking about it.

    Wrong, he'll definitely think about it.

    Now, have you done any thinking about who makes this 31 year old a bigger deal. We'll need specifics on teams and offer(s).

     

     
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    He turns it down without thinking about it.

    Wrong, he'll definitely think about it.

    Now, have you done any thinking about who makes this 31 year old a bigger deal. We'll need specifics on teams and offer(s).

     



    Not a lot of thinking on the alternatives.  It depends on how the season plays out.

    I'd say the primary target would be SF.  They have $62M coming off the books, and have three very good SPs, so it would make sense to split the money between hitting and pitching, and 2B was a weakness for them last year.  If LA beats them out this year, all the more reason.

    Detroit needs a 2B and would like have room in their budget.

    On the Cano side, I think the starting point would be $22M*7.  It's difficult to imagine that, with Pujols and Fielder getting $240M and $214M, and with Cano being better than them, how does he not get $150M+?  Even Hamilton, who is a huge risk, get $125M/5, how do you not go 6 years with Cano.

     
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    Not a lot of thinking on the alternatives.  It depends on how the season plays out.

    How 'bout "no thining at all" on the alternatives.

    I'd say the primary target would be SF.

    I'd say the "primary target would be the NY Yankees"

     They have $62M coming off the books, and have three very good SPs, so it would make sense to split the money between hitting and pitching, and 2B was a weakness for them last year.  If LA beats them out this year, all the more reason.

    Since when does value and fit involve "if such and such beat such and such out last year"?

    Detroit needs a 2B and would like have room in their budget.

    No chance the 2nd Place Tigers top 4 and 120M for the 31 year old Cano. They don't have room in their budget, and will be dealing with Verlander in addition to Fielder and Miggy.  

    On the Cano side, I think the starting point would be $22M*7.

    The starting point is what the NY Yankees say is the starting point. I'll guarantee that no team besides the Yankees (and I doubt that) is going to offer Cano 22M to play 2nd base at age 35, 36 and 37.

    And you need to put down your crack pipe when you proclaim that Cano is better than Fielder and Pujols. Cano has hit 30 HR mark one time in his time in the little league for lefthanded hitters park in NYC.

    Cano's not young and has high miles. I know there are nepotistic idiots like InEpstein in MLB, but the economy is so pitiful that the tide is receding.

    4 years and 120 million to play in NYC. He'll study that very carefully, as his agent begs for higher offers from one or two big market teams with GM's who want to show how incompetent they are.

     
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    Re: What to do with Robinson Cano.....

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    If I were the GM for the Yankees, I would offer Cano four years and 120 million, with a team option for a fifth year and a 1M buyout and a player opt out of the team option.

    This makes Cano the highest paid player in MLB history, per season.

    The Yankees massively overpay for his labor at age 31, 32, 33 and 34, (his best cluster of seasons is already behind him)  but do not pay a worthless roster asset for years beyond that.

    If he demands more guaranteed money, spend it elsewhere if another big market teams makes the mistake.

     

     

    But



    Name me your top 5 players in baseball you would love to have on your team and tell me Robbie is one of them. And you would pay him(a 2nd baseman?) $30mill a year?  Ludicrous! 

     

    He deserves C.C. type money($180 at max) at age 30.... no more.  8 years.

     
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    I'll take Trout, Fielder, Braun, Verlander, Votto, Miggy, Kershaw, Posey, Strasburg, at this point in their careers long before I would take Robbie.  And he deserves $30mill at soon to be 31 years old?  Glad to have Pedie.  Good luck with that MFY.

     
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    I would not go more than 5 years... and only if I am New York do I overpay him for those 5 years. If I am any other team I obviously would rather use that money differently.

     

    I am curious 2see if the Yankees bid against themselves once again.

     
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    Put him on calcium and magnesium supplements IMMEDIATELY, so his old fragile bones don't turn to plaster of paris like poor Granderson.

     

     

    I don't know of too many players who could have been protected from a beanball by using calcium magnesium supplements.

    Tony Conigliaro would not have been neither could have Curtis Granderson.

    Case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. 




    LOL

     
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    I love the way people throw around millions of dollars like it was chicken feed.

    As far as I'm concerned, the financial structure of baseball is ruining the game to its core.

     




     

    Like how many million does one man need?

     




     

    Hey neighbor.  Good to see you again!

     




     

    Hey Amp happy March 1 sequester Friday! :-)

     




     

    I'm afraid to turn on the news before taking a heavy dose of compazine(anti-emetic) because listening to 'you know who' will make me want to regurgitate.:) 

     



     

    I'm Irish. Moments like these are what booze is for.





    If you ever come through town, the Jameson is on me....:)

     
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    Re: What to do with Robinson Cano.....

    No MLB player "deserves". What part of "if I were the Yankees I would overpay for 4 years to avoid paying more over more years for years he's a worthless roster choice".

    The Yankees don't have to bid against themselves. 4 years and base 30 should be the max they are willing to go before Cano goes begging for big market bidders. In the event Cano turns it down before the start of the season, Cashman should withdraw it. If Cano stinks it up in 2013, he'll come begging for much less.

    The Yankees hold all the cards, the 31 year old contract seeking Cano does not. The Yankees GM should use his leverage now to call Cano's bluff. If Cano wants to sell hmself on the market, he should be forced to paly a season and leave the bird in the hand on the table.

    Either way, the Yankees can move on from a position of leveraged strength. The Yankees are much bigger than Cano, who is very, very, very small in the baseball entertainment business. It won't be hard to find a lefty 2nd baseman who is as good as Cano, defensively, who can produce at an 70 to 80% level from the little league for lefty hitters park.

    Either way, the Yankees can obtain good value and fit options with or without Cano. There is no reason whatsoever to get into a bidding contest with another big market GM. And it should be noted that Cano's age isn't going to result in some InEpstein like pipedreaming GM bidder.

    Josh Hamilton is a good example of the difference between fiction and reality. A receding tide grounds all big hulls.

    The Angels will regreat the contract to Hamilton, as they will with Pujols. Both have no-trade contracts. Wells is a great example that the Red Sox aren't the only incompetent baseball management outfit. Wells had a superstar's production of 13 homers and a .230 BA in 2012. He's the gift that will keep on giving for two more years. Pujols, age 33, is in decline, with his best cluster of seasons in the past.  He's on the books for 9 more years! Hamilton is in decline, with his best cluster of years in his past.

    The Cardinals are one of the better examples of the impact of the GM, which is basically all modern day professional baseball boils down to.

    There is nothing about the Angels that is impressive, although contrasting them to the Red Sox is illustrative of just how bad the Red Sox middle management is.

    The Marlins experiment is over, with the owner ripping off the taxpayers in his venture crony capitalism experiment. He found that the people didn't come, and won't be issuing any refunds to those who bought well in advance sale seat licenses. Whoever buys the team from him will need to use PR as leverage to kick this crook out of town.