What To Do With Timmy?
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What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 1:34 AM EDT
- BaseballGM
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Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 1:55 AM EDT
- harness
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What to do with GM? -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 2:06 AM EDT
- BurritoT
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Good point - what should we do about Theo? -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 2:14 AM EDT
- SoxPatsCelts1988
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Put him back in the bullpen where he belongs. His first start, Theo pulled him too early and this past start he left him in too late. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 3:22 AM EDT
- dcater
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don't forget they threw him an inning between starts and that he sat for 3 weeks before the first start, and that he had no idea he would start the next start until the day before...it's called yo-yo...it's what the Sox do with him...yo-yo....You don't yo-yo 44-year-old guys, you give them a defined role. He has none, and until he got brought into a tight situation in the angel game as a reliever 2 days after a 5+ inn start, he hadn't even been brought into a tight situation at all this season. So Tito has no idea. He pulled him due to a situational at-bat or fear his great start would go to pieces. Wakefield managing is not rocket science. When he is on like he was v. Seattle, you ride him until he is out of gas. When he's off like he was v. Minny, you pull him as quickly as you can. Too much is made of how you pitch him when the reality is the Sox have turned him into a punching bag for fans to complain about. This guy regularly started for 7 straight seasons in which HE NEVER RELIEVED. He last effectively was used as a reliever in 2002.
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Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 8:12 AM EDT
- Bill-806
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BUY HIM A NICE NEW FISHING POLE FOR RETIREMENT !!!!! -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 9:01 AM EDT
- marstan
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HERE IS A GUY WHO WILL NOT QUIT FOR THE GOOD OF THETEAM. YOU WOULD THINK HE WOULD SEE THE END OF THEROAD COMING....BUT NO !! HE GOES OUT THERE AND TRIES,BUT THE BALLS FLOAT UP THERE FOR BATTING PRACTICEIT'S GETTING A BIT SAD. FRANCONA JUST LETS HIM GETCLOBBERED. HALE WAS A LITTLE BIT LATE LAST NITE INGETTING HIM OUTTA THERE. TIMMY HAD NOTHING BYTHE 2 AND THIRD INNING...GUYS WERE HITTING SHOTSOFF HIM. WHAT CAN YOU DO ?? MANAGEMENT IS IN LOVEWITH THIS GUY. IT'S SEEMS LIKE SACRILEGE OR BLASPHEMY,OR WHATEVER TO SAY, " TIM...YOU'RE FINISHED ! " NO ONEHAS THE GUYS TO SAY IT ON BEHALF OF MGMT. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 2:38 PM EDT
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Pretty clear from this poll what to do with Timmy. Get him off of the active roster. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 2:47 PM EDT
- Stengel
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You sir are a smart man. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 2:49 PM EDT
- M1A2
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Not clear to me. His first start was terrific. His second start, granted, was lousy, but he was also squeezed by the homeplate umpire who was not giving him pitches low in the strike zone--to say nothing of calling a balk when it wasn't a balk. When the knuckler is working and the umpire knows what he is seeing, Wake can still be effective.
Before yesterday, Wake had a lower ERA than three of the starters and the team as a whole. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 2:50 PM EDT
- jamesey271975
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Bin him, he can barely walk let alone pitch. The guys been sh1te for yrs. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 2:57 PM EDT
- playball01
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The team's issues go way beyond "Timmy". In fact, Timmy's perceived issues would be a non-issue if the team was playing up to expectations or at the very least, players were performing at their career levels.
Enough of the Wakefield bashing. There is plenty of blame to go around. The rise or fall of this team is not dependent on the performance of the individual holding the last roster spot, nor any other singular individual. It's all on the entire team. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 2:58 PM EDT
- playball01
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In Response to Re: What To Do With Timmy?:Pretty clear from this poll what to do with Timmy. Get him off of the active roster.
Posted by BaseballGM
Pretty clear from a sample size of 8!!!! Are you kidding me?Poll Results: 8 Total Votes
What Do You Do With Timmy?
4 Votes (50.0%) I Release Him, Immediately! 1 Vote (12.5%) I Try and Trade him for a Farm Scrap or Release Him if I Only Get Potato Salad 2 Votes (25.0%) I Try and DL Him & Get Him to Accept a AAA revolving Rehab 1 Vote (12.5%) I Applaud him & Denounce Anyone Who Suggests Removing Timmy from the Active Roster -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 3:02 PM EDT
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Lots of folks picking on GM. I thought that this forum had posters that were nicer to each other. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 3:23 PM EDT
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The sample size is going on 2 years of an ineffective role and performance, and absolutely all past and no future. Commit the time to players that have a future. It's not professional to keep trundling Wakefield out. AAA would be great for those fans who haven't seen Wakefield's tired old MLB act. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 3:37 PM EDT
- playball01
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In Response to Re: What To Do With Timmy?:The sample size is going on 2 years of an ineffective role and performance, and absolutely all past and no future. Commit the time to players that have a future. It's not professional to keep trundling Wakefield out. AAA would be great for those fans who haven't seen Wakefield's tired old MLB act.
Posted by BaseballGM
Here's an exercise for you .....Take Wakefield's performances, good and bad, out of the equation this year. In other words, eliminate the games in which Wake took part and evaluate the Wake-Free innings played, player performances as well as cumulative wins and losses.
1. Were we a better team during those games and/or innings?
2. Is Wakefield the reason that we currently find ourselves in the cellar?
3. Would filling the final roster spot with a player other than Wakefield really have any bearing on the current state of our underperforming team?
4. Will moving Wakefield assure us of a post season slot and take us from mediocrity?
5. How many losses can you pin solely on Wakefield's performance thus far this season?
When you gain the ability to address the above questions and explain, with some semblance of legitimacy and accuracy, that Tim Wakefield has any legitimate bearing on all of the current issues facing this team then, and only then, will any of your thoughts or comments have any credibility whatsoever. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 3:43 PM EDT
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Your questions are bugaboos. Wakefield is one the problems. Asking the question, "but for Wakefield would it matter" is the wrong question. Any step to improve the strength of the active roster, no matter how small, is a step that needs to be taken.
When you understand that, you will stop making excuses for Wakefield by pretending that it doesn't matter at all if Wakefield is kept on the active roster. It matters. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 3:50 PM EDT
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Any step to improve the strength of the active roster, no matter how small, is a step that needs to be taken.
What or who is that "Step" and how will it help to turn around our season? Where is it written that I am making any excuse for Wakefield? I am only stating the obvious. This team's problems go way beyond the role and/or performance of a sixth starter/bullpen mop up man. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 3:57 PM EDT
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Playball and GM should go out and share a beer together. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 3:58 PM EDT
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Bring up the best performing AAA option complimentary pen fit, and that's an improvement. "Turning around the season" as the question on one roster move is like asking what repariing one cracked railroad plank will do to get the train back on the tracks.
Nothing more tired than the bugaboo that the season prospects don't change because Wakefield is squatting on the active roster. Brick by brick. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 4:01 PM EDT
- Stengel
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How far down the road is Pawtucket? -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 6:38 PM EDT
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What to do with GM?
Denounce him and applaud anyone who does the same.
The absurd clown doesn't call this "bashing" or "hatred". -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 6:43 PM EDT
- Stengel
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GM has a following. Looks like most on the forum. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 6:46 PM EDT
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Old coot, I'll put you down as being insulted by any suggestion of removing Timmy's fact from the active roster.
Without a doubt, other teams would actually pay money to keep Wakefield on the Red Sox. A player who is in a slump only needs the sight of the fat man to start crushing the ball again. -
Re: What To Do With Timmy?
posted at 5/7/2011 6:56 PM EDT
- Hammah29r2
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so now your calling yourself stengel eh babe?