I think they have to give him a shot. If he is hitting 160 in June, then down he goes. If he is hitting 220 the job is his for the year.
I imagine Ciriaco will get his share of starts as well, just to keep some of the pressure off.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 8:53 AM EST
I think they have to give him a shot. If he is hitting 160 in June, then down he goes. If he is hitting 220 the job is his for the year.
I imagine Ciriaco will get his share of starts as well, just to keep some of the pressure off.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 10:03 AM EST
In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to xXR3S1NXx's comment:
In response to Softlaw1's comment:
Bogearts is no career MLB SS. But Iglesias is. Desipte a decade of trying to employ a slugging SS who isn't a SS, an elite fielding SS who hits .190 will provide more season long net run prevention/produced indexes than a .300 plus OF/1B/3B fielder will provide. The incompetent Red Sox still don't know that.
As far as Iggy goes. We have power at 1st and 3rd, Gomes in LF and a good contact hitter in SV in RF (for now) add Papi and thats were power will come from. Ross, Ells, Pedey and Iggy up the middle is about as good as it gets defensively.
Since theres nobody ready, Id give Iggy at least until the dealine to see how he does offensoively. That is unless they sign Drew to a 1 year deal. I just wouldnt trade Iggy just yet. hes hit a respectable abount at every level and I think he will in MLB as well.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 11:12 AM EST
In response to carnie's comment:
In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to xXR3S1NXx's comment:
In response to Softlaw1's comment:
Bogearts is no career MLB SS. But Iglesias is. Desipte a decade of trying to employ a slugging SS who isn't a SS, an elite fielding SS who hits .190 will provide more season long net run prevention/produced indexes than a .300 plus OF/1B/3B fielder will provide. The incompetent Red Sox still don't know that.
As far as Iggy goes. We have power at 1st and 3rd, Gomes in LF and a good contact hitter in SV in RF (for now) add Papi and thats were power will come from. Ross, Ells, Pedey and Iggy up the middle is about as good as it gets defensively.
Since theres nobody ready, Id give Iggy at least until the dealine to see how he does offensoively. That is unless they sign Drew to a 1 year deal. I just wouldnt trade Iggy just yet. hes hit a respectable abount at every level and I think he will in MLB as well.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 11:28 AM EST
The advantage of a strong arm in right is mainly due to the long throw to third base. In Fenway , it is not a bad idea to have a good arm in left , with the wall - ball single or double situation. The throws to the plate are similar in left and right. I could see a future left side of Iglesias at short , Middlebrooks at third and Bogaerts in left.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 11:32 AM EST
That's a good point. Especially if Brentz can develop into the everyday RF, you could have an everyday outfield of Bogaerts, Bradley and Brentz and the days of runners going 1st to 3rd on spaghetti armed RS outfielders would be over.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 11:35 AM EST
In response to dgalehouse's comment:
The advantage of a strong arm in right is mainly due to the long throw to third base. In Fenway , it is not a bad idea to have a good arm in left , with the wall - ball single or double situation. The throws to the plate are similar in left and right. I could see a future left side of Iglesias at short , Middlebrooks at third and Bogaerts in left.
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Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 11:44 AM EST
In response to BannedOnTheRun-1918's comment:
In response to carnie's comment:
That's a good point. Especially if Brentz can develop into the everyday RF, you could have an everyday outfield of Bogaerts, Bradley and Brentz and the days of runners going 1st to 3rd on spaghetti armed RS outfielders would be over.
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Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 12:15 PM EST
In response to BannedOnTheRun-1918's comment:
Too assume that all 3 prospects will turn into productive MLB OF's is a little overly optimistic IMO
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Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 1:34 PM EST
In response to Softlaw1's comment:
Bogearts is no career MLB SS. But Iglesias is. Desipte a decade of trying to employ a slugging SS who isn't a SS, an elite fielding SS who hits .190 will provide more season long net run prevention/produced indexes than a .300 plus OF/1B/3B fielder will provide. The incompetent Red Sox still don't know that.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:25 PM EST
He's had 83 PAs at the major league level. Is it really fair to conclude that he can't hit ML pitching based on that amount?
Give him a full year to see what he can do. I predict if he gets 300+ PAs, his average will be .260 or better.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:30 PM EST
I'd like to see him bulk up a bit, could help him at the plate. He looks like a twig currently.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:31 PM EST
In response to Bisson1's comment:
I'd like to see him bulk up a bit, could help him at the plate. He looks like a twig currently.
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Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:41 PM EST
In response to Softlaw1's comment:
Aviles was a big surprise in 2012, so much so that he was traded for dumspter trash.
I expect that if Iglesias hits about .180 and has an OBP of about .200, they should keep him as the starter for the entire season. Ciriaco is a nice UIF who can step in and pinch hit some and pinch run some and spell Iggy and Pedroia some.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:43 PM EST
Pedey hit just .191 after his first 98 PAs. I suppose they should have traded him.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:44 PM EST
In response to Alibiike's comment:
He's had 83 PAs at the major league level. Is it really fair to conclude that he can't hit ML pitching based on that amount?
Give him a full year to see what he can do. I predict if he gets 300+ PAs, his average will be .260 or better.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:47 PM EST
The LOVE is in the GLOVE!
This guy may be the best fielding SS that Boston has had in a long, long time. I think that he is even better than Alex Gonzalez. His glove will not keep a first string position by itself, however.
He needs to hit better (obvious, I know), BUT getting him to hit better will only happen if the Red Sox decide to make him into an old time punch and judy hitter. His large swing needs to be cut down to where he is almost playing pepper to get the ball up the middle in every at bat. Drving the ball into the air is going to deliver poor results for this young guy
Expecting this guy to hit 10-12 homeruns, drive in 65-70, etc is not the way to go with him.
He needs to concentrate on hitting the ball hard up the middle and become the modern version of a singles hitter. It is time to forget homeruns and other power numbers to measure this kid to decide if he gets into the lineup.
If he can get a single a game, can learn to bunt for a hit every fourth game and draw a walk every other game he can have a OBP between .325 and .350, and he will hit .250-.265. Those numbers are not earth shaking, but they are all better than what he showed this season and also enough to give him the starting SS job for a long time. Figuring, also, that he is going to hit at the bottom of the order he will probably sacrifice once every second game which will be another way to make an offensive contribution.
Becoming a singles hitter he may end up with only 3-5 homeruns and maybe only 40 RBIs by the end of the year even with full time play, but his glove is warranted if he can hit .250. He is also a good baserunner so he may score 80 runs if he can hit .260 and have the .325-.350 OBP that I predicted.
In the 50s and 60s there were lots of major league middle infielders who made a major league career out of hitting singles who could not even carry Iglesias's glove. If he can get a hit a game (even if it is just a single) he will well earn his spot in the starting lineup.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 3:38 PM EST
In response to Alibiike's comment:
Pedey hit just .191 after his first 98 PAs. I suppose they should have traded him.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 3:49 PM EST
In response to charliedarling's comment:
The LOVE is in the GLOVE!
This guy may be the best fielding SS that Boston has had in a long, long time. I think that he is even better than Alex Gonzalez. His glove will not keep a first string position by itself, however.
He needs to hit better (obvious, I know), BUT getting him to hit better will only happen if the Red Sox decide to make him into an old time punch and judy hitter. His large swing needs to be cut down to where he is almost playing pepper to get the ball up the middle in every at bat. Drving the ball into the air is going to deliver poor results for this young guy
Expecting this guy to hit 10-12 homeruns, drive in 65-70, etc is not the way to go with him.
He needs to concentrate on hitting the ball hard up the middle and become the modern version of a singles hitter. It is time to forget homeruns and other power numbers to measure this kid to decide if he gets into the lineup.
If he can get a single a game, can learn to bunt for a hit every fourth game and draw a walk every other game he can have a OBP between .325 and .350, and he will hit .250-.265. Those numbers are not earth shaking, but they are all better than what he showed this season and also enough to give him the starting SS job for a long time. Figuring, also, that he is going to hit at the bottom of the order he will probably sacrifice once every second game which will be another way to make an offensive contribution.
Becoming a singles hitter he may end up with only 3-5 homeruns and maybe only 40 RBIs by the end of the year even with full time play, but his glove is warranted if he can hit .250. He is also a good baserunner so he may score 80 runs if he can hit .260 and have the .325-.350 OBP that I predicted.
In the 50s and 60s there were lots of major league middle infielders who made a major league career out of hitting singles who could not even carry Iglesias's glove. If he can get a hit a game (even if it is just a single) he will well earn his spot in the starting lineup.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 4:04 PM EST
The problem with Iggy isn't Iggy, it's many of the fans.
Too many fans/posters on this board have no patience. Some want to give him the job before he's ready and others want to give up on him too soon.
He's still just 22. Has had a couple of seasons in the minors where he missed time with injuries. Why the rush? Let him develop. He could spend two more years in the minors and still be just 24.
I know there's the feeling that the Sox might have held some players down in the minors too much, which might be true to a certain extent, but you don't make up for it by rushing a kid who's not ready.
A 24-year-old rookie isn't old, so I don't see the need with forcing him along. If he's ready next year, at least to the extent where he's a major plus in the field and not a killer blach hole in the lineup, then fine. If he's not, then go with Pedro C. or someone else.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 4:13 PM EST
In response to royf19's comment:
The problem with Iggy isn't Iggy, it's many of the fans.
Too many fans/posters on this board have no patience. Some want to give him the job before he's ready and others want to give up on him too soon.
He's still just 22. Has had a couple of seasons in the minors where he missed time with injuries. Why the rush? Let him develop. He could spend two more years in the minors and still be just 24.
I know there's the feeling that the Sox might have held some players down in the minors too much, which might be true to a certain extent, but you don't make up for it by rushing a kid who's not ready.
A 24-year-old rookie isn't old, so I don't see the need with forcing him along. If he's ready next year, at least to the extent where he's a major plus in the field and not a killer blach hole in the lineup, then fine. If he's not, then go with Pedro C. or someone else.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 4:13 PM EST
In response to SpacemanEephus' comment:
the Iglesias bubble may burst very soon. If he doesn't magically learn to hit this winter, its another year in Pawtucket. And, by that time, Boegarts may be ready.
We still need another reliable bat in my opinion before even starting one of them.
Re: What's with the love for Iglesias?
posted at 12/7/2012 4:13 PM EST
In response to Alibiike's comment:
Pedey hit just .191 after his first 98 PAs. I suppose they should have traded him.
Give him a chance to earn the SS job in spring training (competing against Ciriaco and some solid veteran brought in by free agency or trade); if he doesn't look ready, send him back to the minors for more work. Like Roy said, at his age that would hardly be the end of the world. His glove looks so special that I'm more than willing to be patient for the bat to come around.