What's wrong with Justin Upton?

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    What's wrong with Justin Upton?

    Full disclosure up front: I do not want Justin Upton to have a great season.  I have nothing against him personally.  But as anyone who follows this forum regularly knows, he is one of the players that certain posters have wanted the Red Sox to pursue for the last year or two.  And from the looks of it, the Red Sox probably could have acquired him.  I have had some doubts about him but I also recognize his potential to be a big bat.

    Upton got off to a smoking hot start with the Braves and I thought, here we go, he's going to be the MVP, we're going to regret not trading for him and we're going to hear about from the people who wanted him.

    In April Upton's line was 298/402/734 (1.136 OPS) with 12 HR and 19 RBI.

    But in May his line was 211/327/326 (.654 OPS) with 2 HR and 10 RBI.

    In his last 12 games his line is 143/208/163 (.371 OPS) with 0 HR and 1 RBI, and 21 strikeouts.

    I also find it a little concerning that with 14 HR he only has 29 RBI.  With the bases empty he's hitting 289/390/620.  With men on base he's hitting 181/307/347.

    He certainly might turn it around of course. 

     
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    Re: What's wrong with Justin Upton?

    I have no problem with streaky hitters as long as the final numbers end up well. Yes, I'd rather have consistency, but a hot player can carry a team on his shoulders through tough spells for the rest of the players.

    Upton's still on pace for about 40 HRs, but the 90 RBI pace is a bit worrisome.

     

     
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    Re: What's wrong with Justin Upton?

    My guess is normal variance.  Most of his full year stats are in line with his career.  The only thing I'd be concerned about, if I were the Braves, is that his K-rate is quite high.  Not crazy high, but still higher than you'd like at exactly 33%.  It could be as simple as he wanted he wanted to justify his contract by hitting a lot of HRs, so more HRs= more K's = lower average.

    But if I had to throw out a voodoo response, I'd wonder if he was concerned about his brother.  They went to some lengths to play together, which is pretty cool, so that has to be important to them.  Maybe he is distracted by his brother, maybe trying to over-compensate?

    I wouldn't be concerned either way.

     
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    Re: What's wrong with Justin Upton?

    First off: jose tavares... he's not with the Red Sox.

    That said, his lifetime avg. is .276, RBI avg. is 81, never hit more than 88. He's hit 31 HRs once, 26 once, other than that the most he's hit is seventeen. I never understood why some on this board were so hot to over pay a guy who seems to me to be a very average ball player.

     
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    Re: What's wrong with Justin Upton?

    Agree with JoeBreidey , probably normal streaky variance. I would have been okay with Upton, or Cuddyer, or even re-signing Cody Ross. Have disliked Gomes ever since his bush league actions during a brawl between Rays and Sox a couple years back.

    We could still really use a r/h outfielder with power, and Gomes looks useless enough to justify letting Carp hit lefties. Carp's splits actually better vs. leftes in admittedly a tiny sample size. Brentz looking decent at AAA , but K rate and swing length are worrisome as far as indicating potential ML success. I dream of stealing Stanton from Miami , for package of basically anything NOT including Bogaerts, DeLaRosa, and Ranaudo. Just don't foresee Brewers ever making Ryan Braun avalable after that huge contract and considering they let Prince F. go.

    And letting some soft-brained idiot poster affect our attitude toward any player is " letting the terrorists win " , LOL.

     
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    Re: What's wrong with Justin Upton?

    Very simple. Like many players new to a team, he started off playing way over his head. In order for him to level out and match his baseball card, he has to suck for a comparitive time.

     
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    Re: What's wrong with Justin Upton?

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    First off: jose tavares... he's not with the Red Sox.

    That said, his lifetime avg. is .276, RBI avg. is 81, never hit more than 88. He's hit 31 HRs once, 26 once, other than that the most he's hit is seventeen. I never understood why some on this board were so hot to over pay a guy who seems to me to be a very average ball player.

     



    I'm in full agreement with you on this one. I've never thought that Upton was nothing more than an average and pretty good player but not much better that that so why some slobber all over this guy I do not understand, unless some think he may improve with age which could happen because he is still only 25. Considering he is already in his 6th full season I think what you see now is what you get, as said a good every day player and not a perrenial All-Star. 

     

    As for slumps why over analyze which many tend to do. Slumps like hot straks are part of the game, just like players have great seasons sometimes followed by average or mediocre years. Ells had one great MVP season so now it seems many expect that performance from him every year. Sorry, but Ells had one "career" season and may never hit those heights again but his average season from here on in might still be very good and well worth watching. 

    Hetch

     

     
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    Re: What's wrong with Justin Upton?

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    What's wrong with Bradley? Nothing.

    With J. Upton, the Red Sox would have at at least another 2 wins v. LP starters. He was the next best fit for Fenway Park LF.

    Without J. Upton, the Red Sox are a bubble playoff team that isn't a title contender.

    Nothing wrong with J. Upton.

    What's wrong with Shane?

    What's wrong with Ellsbury?

     



    Softy, 

    Your usual garbage time comments. Nothing wrong with Shane or Ells. Ells could hit .333 with 30hrs and 110rbis and you still day he was a primadona 

    My question is: WHAT WRONG WITH SOFTLAW ? Answer: He is obviously predudiced against certain players for little to no reason other than just plain out right hatred.

    Hetch 

     
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    Re: What's wrong with Justin Upton?

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    First off: jose tavares... he's not with the Red Sox.

    That said, his lifetime avg. is .276, RBI avg. is 81, never hit more than 88. He's hit 31 HRs once, 26 once, other than that the most he's hit is seventeen. I never understood why some on this board were so hot to over pay a guy who seems to me to be a very average ball player.

     



    I'm in full agreement with you on this one. I've never thought that Upton was nothing more than an average and pretty good player but not much better that that so why some slobber all over this guy I do not understand, unless some think he may improve with age which could happen because he is still only 25. Considering he is already in his 6th full season I think what you see now is what you get, as said a good every day player and not a perrenial All-Star. 

     

    As for slumps why over analyze which many tend to do. Slumps like hot straks are part of the game, just like players have great seasons sometimes followed by average or mediocre years. Ells had one great MVP season so now it seems many expect that performance from him every year. Sorry, but Ells had one "career" season and may never hit those heights again but his average season from here on in might still be very good and well worth watching. 

    Hetch

     

     




    Thanks. Not trying to run the guy down just don't see him as all that special. He's young so maybe he hasn't yet fully realized his potential, but at this point if you're going to pay for potential then you mihgt as well pay Ellsbury. I don't get why some here think that Ells isn't worth $10 mil while thinking that Upton is somehow a bargain at 9.75.

     

    I know, Ells will most likely be looking for more than $10 mil, but that's another argument.

     
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    Re: What's wrong with Justin Upton?

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    It only takes one look at Shane and Ellsbury's work attendance history to expose your limp wristed "hater" blather.



    Okay, but for the record, Upton's work attendance is far worse than Victorino's.

    So I assume, to be conistent, and not be a hypocrite, you'd want to be just as critical of Upton's work history.

    Or are you going to go with another double standard?

     
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    Re: What's wrong with Justin Upton?

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    First off: jose tavares... he's not with the Red Sox.

    That said, his lifetime avg. is .276, RBI avg. is 81, never hit more than 88. He's hit 31 HRs once, 26 once, other than that the most he's hit is seventeen. I never understood why some on this board were so hot to over pay a guy who seems to me to be a very average ball player.

     



    I'm in full agreement with you on this one. I've never thought that Upton was nothing more than an average and pretty good player but not much better that that so why some slobber all over this guy I do not understand, unless some think he may improve with age which could happen because he is still only 25. Considering he is already in his 6th full season I think what you see now is what you get, as said a good every day player and not a perrenial All-Star. 

     

    As for slumps why over analyze which many tend to do. Slumps like hot straks are part of the game, just like players have great seasons sometimes followed by average or mediocre years. Ells had one great MVP season so now it seems many expect that performance from him every year. Sorry, but Ells had one "career" season and may never hit those heights again but his average season from here on in might still be very good and well worth watching. 

    Hetch

     

     




    Thanks. Not trying to run the guy down just don't see him as all that special. He's young so maybe he hasn't yet fully realized his potential, but at this point if you're going to pay for potential then you mihgt as well pay Ellsbury. I don't get why some here think that Ells isn't worth $10 mil while thinking that Upton is somehow a bargain at 9.75.

     

    I know, Ells will most likely be looking for more than $10 mil, but that's another argument.

     




     

    not some; only ONE.

     




    More than one if any care to admit it now. Let's not turn this into the board against softlaw. Aren't there enough of those dumba** threads already?

     

     
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    Re: What's wrong with Justin Upton?

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    First off: jose tavares... he's not with the Red Sox.

    That said, his lifetime avg. is .276, RBI avg. is 81, never hit more than 88. He's hit 31 HRs once, 26 once, other than that the most he's hit is seventeen. I never understood why some on this board were so hot to over pay a guy who seems to me to be a very average ball player.

     



    I'm in full agreement with you on this one. I've never thought that Upton was nothing more than an average and pretty good player but not much better that that so why some slobber all over this guy I do not understand, unless some think he may improve with age which could happen because he is still only 25. Considering he is already in his 6th full season I think what you see now is what you get, as said a good every day player and not a perrenial All-Star. 

     

    As for slumps why over analyze which many tend to do. Slumps like hot straks are part of the game, just like players have great seasons sometimes followed by average or mediocre years. Ells had one great MVP season so now it seems many expect that performance from him every year. Sorry, but Ells had one "career" season and may never hit those heights again but his average season from here on in might still be very good and well worth watching. 

    Hetch

     

     




    Thanks. Not trying to run the guy down just don't see him as all that special. He's young so maybe he hasn't yet fully realized his potential, but at this point if you're going to pay for potential then you mihgt as well pay Ellsbury. I don't get why some here think that Ells isn't worth $10 mil while thinking that Upton is somehow a bargain at 9.75.

     

    I know, Ells will most likely be looking for more than $10 mil, but that's another argument.

     




     

    not some; only ONE.

     




    More than one if any care to admit it now. Let's not turn this into the board against softlaw. Aren't there enough of those dumba** threads already?

     

     



    most of those 'dumba** threads' are the ones ms softy posts.

     




    Granted, but again, not all. Is it really necessary to elicit opinions from him that he's going give you on his own?

    Really?

    Come on.

    Just because he is immature does that mean so many others need to follow suit?

    Done with the rant. I know it falls on "deaf ears" anyway.

     
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    Re: What's wrong with Justin Upton?

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    First off: jose tavares... he's not with the Red Sox.

    That said, his lifetime avg. is .276, RBI avg. is 81, never hit more than 88. He's hit 31 HRs once, 26 once, other than that the most he's hit is seventeen. I never understood why some on this board were so hot to over pay a guy who seems to me to be a very average ball player.




    Average ballplayers do not hit 31HRs once.

     

    And keep in mind, the guy is one year older than Will Middlebrooks and the same age as Ryan Lavarnway, neither of whom have done any of the things you mention as "average" ballplayer accomplishments.

     

     

     
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    First off: jose tavares... he's not with the Red Sox.

    That said, his lifetime avg. is .276, RBI avg. is 81, never hit more than 88. He's hit 31 HRs once, 26 once, other than that the most he's hit is seventeen. I never understood why some on this board were so hot to over pay a guy who seems to me to be a very average ball player.

     




     

    Average ballplayers do not hit 31HRs once.

     

    And keep in mind, the guy is one year older than Will Middlebrooks and the same age as Ryan Lavarnway, neither of whom have done any of the things you mention as "average" ballplayer accomplishments.

     

     




    O.K. He's hit 31 homers once. That stat alone doesn't say much.  What else has he done that you consider above average?

    I said nothing about Middlebrooks or Lavarnway. What do they have to do with the conversation? The only comparison that I made was to Ellsbury and that was salary wise.

     
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    First off: jose tavares... he's not with the Red Sox.

    That said, his lifetime avg. is .276, RBI avg. is 81, never hit more than 88. He's hit 31 HRs once, 26 once, other than that the most he's hit is seventeen. I never understood why some on this board were so hot to over pay a guy who seems to me to be a very average ball player.

     



    I'm in full agreement with you on this one. I've never thought that Upton was nothing more than an average and pretty good player but not much better that that so why some slobber all over this guy I do not understand, unless some think he may improve with age which could happen because he is still only 25. Considering he is already in his 6th full season I think what you see now is what you get, as said a good every day player and not a perrenial All-Star. 

     

    As for slumps why over analyze which many tend to do. Slumps like hot straks are part of the game, just like players have great seasons sometimes followed by average or mediocre years. Ells had one great MVP season so now it seems many expect that performance from him every year. Sorry, but Ells had one "career" season and may never hit those heights again but his average season from here on in might still be very good and well worth watching. 

    Hetch

     

     




    Thanks. Not trying to run the guy down just don't see him as all that special. He's young so maybe he hasn't yet fully realized his potential, but at this point if you're going to pay for potential then you mihgt as well pay Ellsbury. I don't get why some here think that Ells isn't worth $10 mil while thinking that Upton is somehow a bargain at 9.75.

     

    I know, Ells will most likely be looking for more than $10 mil, but that's another argument.

     




     

    not some; only ONE.

     




    More than one if any care to admit it now. Let's not turn this into the board against softlaw. Aren't there enough of those dumba** threads already?

     

     



    most of those 'dumba** threads' are the ones ms softy posts.

     

     




    Granted, but again, not all. Is it really necessary to elicit opinions from him that he's going give you on his own?

     

    Really?

    Come on.

    Just because he is immature does that mean so many others need to follow suit?

    Done with the rant. I know it falls on "deaf ears" anyway.

     



    what? i can't hear you.

     




    Few here can... or is it that most choose not to?   Cry 

     

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