Re: What's wrong with this picture?
posted at 5/18/2013 11:54 AM EDT
In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:
I don't understand why the win stat bothers people (Hi Kimmi )
Surely most fans are sophisticated enough now to realize that W-L can be misleading.
But I like to know that Pedro's career record was 219-100. I think in his case it reflects his excellence.
With SP, W-L might be somewhat relevant when you look at large sample sizes. Sometimes guys in the right situation do run off an inordinate number of win. Paul Abbot went 17-4 with the 2001 Mariners, but he was not a guy anyone would have thought of as an elite starter.
Saves, on the other hand, are more a function of opportunity, especially since the closer evolved into a ninth inning specialist. Even the greatest reliever cannot turn a game around into a save situation.
Look at the top ten pitchers in wins, and you see some of the best SP in MLB history. In fact, everyone one of the top 23 pitchers in wins is a Hall of Famer (except those not yet eligible). Look at the top ten pitchers in career saves, and you see guys like Troy Percival and Randy Myers. Are these guys really among the best relief pitchers in MLB history?
I do get that the wins/Hall of Fame thing is more of a cause/effect relationship than a coincidental metric, but which of the top 23 would you argue was not Hall-worthy? Maybe Don Sutton? Maybe. The top 23 for saves includes guys like Todd Jones, Doug Jones, Rick Aguilea, Rob Nen, Jason Isringhausen and Jose Mesa. These are just maybe average to above average pitchers who got by as opportunists that played the game in the right era. Under no circumstances can it even be argued that any of them are all time greats...